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    I really don't see the "UEFI" "secure boot" nonsense lasting very long.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I know a lot of hackers who are salivating over the possibility of being first to trump a key.

    I'm betting on the hackers.

    As for the question though, for whatever system you are buying make sure that it doesn't have the "Windows 8" logo from the logo program. If it does, it may be impossible to get going with anything else. And as always, if possible, see what other users have experienced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manasij7479 View Post
    Just buy devices which support coreboot. (I'm planning that for my next upgrade)
    Supported Motherboards - coreboot
    Most of the motherboards and processors that support coreboot date back to the late 90s. I'm not sure such hardware would qualify as an upgrade for many people.

    Quote Originally Posted by phantomotap View Post
    I really don't see the "UEFI" "secure boot" nonsense lasting very long.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I know a lot of hackers who are salivating over the possibility of being first to trump a key.

    I'm betting on the hackers.

    As for the question though, for whatever system you are buying make sure that it doesn't have the "Windows 8" logo from the logo program. If it does, it may be impossible to get going with anything else. And as always, if possible, see what other users have experienced.
    I suspect UEFI "secure boot" will survive. There is a lot of commercial pressure applied to motherboard manufacturers to support such things, by some very big commercial players. Some of the reasons are good (reducing vulnerabilities) and some are bad (enhancing monopolist vendor lock-in).

    The real question is whether there is enough business to justify hardware manufacturers providing options to disable "secure boot". That will come down to whether it makes sense from a business perspective - will there be enough customers who want the option to disable "secure boot" to make it profitable, in the face of push-back from some big commercial players?

    Let's face it: folks who want to go away from the high volume operating systems towards the low volume operating systems (linux, etc) are a relative minority. That is why the monopolists have established their position - and the motivation is exactly the same as that of publishers and producers who are are campaigning for SOPA and the like. That motivation is maintaining market share, and maximising profits by maximising spend by consumers on their products. The two ways to increase spend by consumers, in the long term, is to repeatedly grow prices to a point that won't cause consumers to balk, and getting them to pay again (either for new products to replace obsolete products, or for continuing usage of existing products) as often as possible.

    Hackers might well erode the advantage of that over time, but hackers are not among the majority of computer illiterate folks who would prefer to buy a shrink-wrapped product over tinkering to configure an open-source one. And the monopolists have a huge head start, and resources to resist. And the majority of consumers will remain complacent, for as long as they can afford to pay (and as long as there is social pressure to continue doing so)
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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpy View Post
    Most of the motherboards and processors that support coreboot date back to the late 90s. I'm not sure such hardware would qualify as an upgrade for many people.
    Sorry.
    I didn't see that the list was outdated..!
    However, the reason I know about coreboot are some interesting news articles.
    coreboot - Google Search

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