Thread: Flash on Apple Devices Discussion

Originally Posted by Subsonics

No, flash has never been available on the phones or ipods.

It has been availabe. It just so happens Apple never got around to actually commit to CS5 as we recently learned.

Now, another thing entirely, that you perhaps are confusing with this, is that with the release of the new SDK, they have changed their policy on 3rd party middleware. From now, the only languages they approve on their app store for the mobile devices, ie phones and ipods are: C, C++, and Objective-C, and only Apple frameworks, no interpreted languages. Now, if by chance someone made a Flash to C converter, that will of course be affected, but that can only be good lol.

I'm fully aware of the language limitations. I mentioned that much on my very first post on this thread, if you care to go back and read it. But here we are discussing something different. Apple had an unspoken commitment to CS5 that lead many people to believe Flash would be available on all the iFarts (iPhone, iPad, iComethNext).

I'm not inclined to discuss Apple's decision to pull the plug (or rug) on Flash beyond what I already said. I don't care much for Flash myself. I think you are the one missing the whole point of my presence here. Banning Flash has an actual effect on the users of Apple's devices. They...can't...see...Flash. And Flash has a significant presence in the web. If Apple says Adobe was being lazy and Adobe says Apple wasn't showing them enough of the platform, I don't care. What I do care is that other direct competitors of Apple are supporting Flash. And that's where I'll be shopping if It ever comes the time I need such a device.

This is Macintosh all over again. Apple trying to define what people should and shouldn't use, when the world out there really is moving at a different tune. And this is why Apple never became anything more than a second grade company -- Hipster bait -- once the novelty of its innovations (and innovative they are. This much I agree) are absorbed by the competition.

Originally Posted by Mario F.

It has been availabe. It just so happens Apple never got around to actually commit to CS5 as we recently learned.

These are shoehorned into the platform by some conversion tool. Flash has never been available on their phones or mp3 players. There were lots of drama about it when the iPhone was first released. Besides that it's evident by anyone who ever used an iPhone.

Originally Posted by Mario F.

I'm fully aware of the language limitations. I mentioned that much on my very first post on this thread, if you care to go back and read it. But here we are discussing something different. Apple had an unspoken commitment to CS5 that lead many people to believe Flash would be available on all the iFarts (iPhone, iPad, iComethNext).

What has CS5 got to do with Apples dev tools?. What you discuss now are peoples beliefs and perceived unspoken commitments ie speculations. So they aren't in fact pulling the plug on anything that has ever been on the market. And this is just specific for their mobile segment, apple just a week ago released a new graphics hardware access api for people like Adobe for os X and macintosh. Adobe will accelerate Flash video using new Apple API

Originally Posted by Mario F.

I'm not inclined to discuss Apple's decision to pull the plug (or rug) on Flash beyond what I already said. I don't care much for Flash myself. I think you are the one missing the whole point of my presence here. Banning Flash has an actual effect on the users of Apple's devices. They...can't...see...Flash.

Like I said before, these arguments has been on the internet since the first iPhone came out, since you have never been able to watch flash content on the internet on an iPhone, trust me. Thats why they had special applications for youtube for example. Somehow it hasn't stopped them from selling them.

Originally Posted by Mario F.

And Flash has a significant presence in the web. If Apple says Adobe was being lazy and Adobe says Apple wasn't showing them enough of the platform, I don't care. What I do care is that other direct competitors of Apple are supporting Flash. And that's where I'll be shopping if It ever comes the time I need such a device.

Yes, it's good to have a choice. Personally I would never base that on flash alone, I block it on a regular basis in my browser. It's about 90% banner commercials that I miss out on, I never play flash games, and and the occasional video on youtube is taken care of by h264 and webkit.

Originally Posted by Mario F.

This is Macintosh all over again. Apple trying to define what people should and shouldn't use, when the world out there really is moving at a different tune. And this is why Apple never became anything more than a second grade company -- Hipster bait -- once the novelty of its innovations (and innovative they are. This much I agree) are absorbed by the competition.

You are wrong. A phone or other handheld device is much more special purpose than a desktop pc. Most other mobile smartphone makers have adopted Apples model, an appstore and an os. I'm thinking about Nokias store and os, android and their store, and intels new dev platform with windows and moblin. I think I'm from the same generation as mk (re walkman), and I remember fondly different platforms like atari and commodore. If you control both the os and your hardware you can innovate and bring new things to market without meddling with your os maker. I like to have a choice, why is that a problem to you? You clearly don't like their products, just get something else, wtf. I like macintosh it's a fully posix compliant desktop, it comes with lots of languages and dev tools pre installed, it has some of it's core tech available as open source. Of course in a way that benefits their business, surprise, but that is true for any company that uses open source. They have made some contributions like webkit, openCL and Darwin, launchd for example.