Why do the universities care so much? The cheaters are only harming themselves. They can't graduate properly without learning these things anyway.
Why do the universities care so much? The cheaters are only harming themselves. They can't graduate properly without learning these things anyway.
Last edited by maxorator; 05-20-2009 at 11:37 AM.
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Becaus eit causes unfair competition for entry level spots with people who are qualified to perform teh work, and when they fail at teh job it makes the university look bad.Originally Posted by maxorator
Why do educators care about their students and not want them to harm themselves?
I would recommend we allow the webmaster or kermi to be the voice on this issue. Just as you would not attempt to make a public statement about a company or product you did not fully own without the proper permission you should not make statements about how the admin of the board stands on certain topics unless you know for sure the stance and/or have the admin's permission.
I would not recommend any users attempt to be 'the voice' of this board unless they have been designated to do so.
Last edited by VirtualAce; 05-21-2009 at 12:46 AM.
I'm not sure if that was aimed at me, or just a general reminder of representation.
In case there is still confusion over what I am doing or said: I am not representing this site, or attempting to be its voice.
I posted my communications with the authors of the list as it is pertinent to this discussion first and the site second.
Obviously this issue makes some people uncomfortable, so I won't post any more of my communications with the authors of the list. That does not change the fact that I as a user of this site (and others listed) object to the implication of being associated with contract cheating. As such I will be continuing as I have done in defending MY rights, but I won't be posting updates. If anyone is interested in the issue and wants to contact me about it, they can do so at [email protected] (I hope posting an email address is ok, if it's not then please moderate it out).
Cheers all
Any help I give may be classified as:Currently working through:
The Blind leading the Blind...
"C++ Primer Plus"
Personally I don't give that lame site any more credit than they deserve, its some backwater anti-cheating site, its opinion matters about as much to me as my hamburgers opinion on what brand of toilet paper I should use.
In both cases I take their opinion and wipe my ass with it.
It's Birmingham City University and the authors are apparently leaders in their field of anti-plagiarism and contract cheating detection. As such, their research and methods should be beyond reproach otherwise they bring themselves and their institution into disrepute.
You can do what you like with opinions, but when opinion is dressed as fact something needs to be said. There are a lot of people out there who blindly accept "facts" without question - especially when they come from an apparently reputable source.
I wonder if this is how they did the research for the list
Also, the list has been offline since late last night, it appears to be corrupted.
Any help I give may be classified as:Currently working through:
The Blind leading the Blind...
"C++ Primer Plus"
Never heard of it, i.e. backwater. Oh I'm sure its king ........ in its little corner of the cesspool, but the rest of the world couldnt care less.
Everyone always thinks they are leaders in their field. They are just posers .and the authors are apparently leaders in their field of anti-plagiarism and contract cheating detection. As such, their research and methods should be beyond reproach otherwise they bring themselves and their institution into disrepute.
Like ignore them? They are trolls with their own web site. They are trying to convince acadimia that they serve some vital purpose, probably in hopes of getting grant money.You can do what you like with opinions
If it bothers you then .......... to them, but please do it somewhere else, as this whole thread is going nowhere.
Last edited by abachler; 05-21-2009 at 03:44 AM.
Okay, these are computer science professors who are "leaders in their field of anti-plagiarism and contract cheating detection". Hah! Now I am beginning to understand just what a dungpile this is. Didn't I say to start with:
Which is not to malign the U of B, I am quite positive every university (no matter how great) must maintain it's quota of crackpots, eg, Harvard economists who believe a return to the gold standard will be good.
Unfortunately, it does imply that they may now be at a point where, having failed to make much of a dent internationally doing something real, they are now resigned to making a name for themselves this way. I guess we will see.
Even more of a reason for someone to bring this to the attention of some more reasonable academic, of which I am sure there are many who would be willing to provide some temperance before this rolling heap of scrap snowballs.
C programming resources:
GNU C Function and Macro Index -- glibc reference manual
The C Book -- nice online learner guide
Current ISO draft standard
CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
cpwiki -- our wiki on sourceforge
I remember in a Programming 1 course our teacher told us about how someone from a programming forum contacted him that a student of his tried to comission him to do a homework assignment for him. The student was failed from the course.
Honestly, programming 1-2 these days are not that much work that you'd need to pay someone to do the homework for you.
You have to pick your battles. For me this one is not worth fighting.
Why, they've besmirched the good name of BuzzBuzz forever! :-)" Originally Posted by BuzzBuzz"
I'm not making any threats (in fact, I'm not making any threats at all!) or decisions for anyone else other than myself. I've also made it abundantly clear that I am speaking for myself, not for the site or its admins:
"you are accusing me"
I think some of you are taking this a little too hard. And if UK law is similar to US, I'm not sure you have a case, even if BuzzBuzz is your legal name.
http://www.medialaw.org/Content/Navi...%20is%20Libel?
"The statement(s) alleged to be defamatory must also have been published to at least one other person (other than the subject of the statement) and must be "of and concerning" the plaintiff. That is, those hearing or reading the statement must identify it specifically with the plaintiff."
Last edited by medievalelks; 05-22-2009 at 06:14 AM.
The authors of that list are being very disingenuous in lumping discussion forums such as this where advice is free, open and tempered (that is we don't give out the whole answer right off the bat, and try and guide the student to understanding the problem), in with outright "cheat" sites such as rentacoder where you can get any answer you like, personalised just for you, so long as you pony up enough cash.
To that extent (an open discussion towards understanding), a forum such as this is no more a "cheat" site than say attending a lecture or a tutorial session on campus. The only difference being that the student might actually learn the truth. Perhaps one of the things they "worry" about is having their utter lack of knowledge about say C or C++ exposed. And yes, there are plenty of "professors" who couldn't tell you what an ANSI standard was even if you threw it at them.
Then there is another group of "professors" who apply minimal effort to teaching what little they know, set the SAME exercises year after year (possibly from a book), perform no other assessment of a students ability (say a closed room exercise), and then harp on about how everyone else is the problem. If you create a tree with low hanging fruit, don't blame everyone else for picking it - do something about it yourself.
If they really want to find out the lay of the land, they should do their own "blind" tests by posting some assignments on a few forums, and see how far they get before getting an earful of "DYOHW". Publishing a list based on google searches is a bunch of crap.
If you dance barefoot on the broken glass of undefined behaviour, you've got to expect the occasional cut.
If at first you don't succeed, try writing your phone number on the exam paper.
