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    Question Good book recommendation?

    Hello, I am interested in learning how to use the program, Microsoft Visual C++, I am familiar* with C++ syntax and I currently use the DevC++ compiler.

    My school is not offering any windows programming classes this upcoming winter semester. So, I have to wait a year before I can take any classes on windows programming. Iím tired of making programs that run in a ďdos shellí and I want to start making GUIs for my programs.

    Could anyone recommend a BEGNNER book on windows programming in C++?

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    you will need these 2 books:-

    Programming windows by charles petzold.
    Programming applications for microsoft windows by jeff richter.

    From there your best reference after that is probably msdn
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    I am familiar* with C++ syntax
    You have to be a lot more familiar with C++ than that to be able to make GUI's with Visual C++. You need to thoroughly understand pointers, classes, inheritance, and virtual functions.

    "Ivor Horton's Beginning Visual C++ 6" - the first 12 chapters are a tutorial on the C++ language, and the next 12 chapters cover windows programming with Visual C++. Even then, windows programming with Visual C++ is a very difficult subject, and it can take several attempts to learn it over several years before it will start making some sense.
    Last edited by 7stud; 10-14-2005 at 12:03 PM.

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    Thumbs up Petzold !

    The Petzold book assumes you already know C, and he takes you from there. It's written in a tutorial style, but it makes a great reference too. Almost every Windows Programmer has this book. (I was shocked when I first cracked-open the book, and "Hello Windows" was 2 pages of unfamiliar code!)

    He does use C, but this isn't much of an issue because the Windows API is a set of functions, structures, and constants that can be dropped-into a C or C++ program. (You will have to use C-style strings, or convert your C++ string objects before passing them to any WinAPI functions.)

    I don't own the Richter book. I think it's more advanced than Petsold, and it seems to be out-of-print.

    Until you get your book(s), check-out the excellent Forgers Windows Programming Tutorial.

    In case you're not aware, your Dev-C++ IDE can make full Windows GUI programs. But, if your school is standardized on MSVC++, it wouldn't hurt to get a jump-start learning to use it. It's always good to use the same compiler as the instructor.

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    I don't own the Horton book, and I've never used MFC... So, I don't know what I'm talking about here...

    Horton uses MFC, and Petzold uses the WinAPI. (Forger's uses the WinAPI too.) You might want to find out what your class will cover next year.

    MFC packages the WinAPI functions, and It's supposed to be easier to write a Windows program with it. However, I'm not so sure its easier to learn... if you don't already know the API.

    I'm sure it's often better to use MFC than to "re-invent the wheel". But personally, I'm trying to learn what's going-on under the hood.

    You need to thoroughly understand pointers, classes, inheritance, and virtual functions.
    The WinAPI doesn't require classes, inheritance, or virtual functions. You do need a good understanding of functions, structures and pointers. And, if you want to write a program that not only "looks good", but one that does something useful and runs efficiently, then you do need a good understanding of standard C++.

    And like 7stud said, this is a difficult subject. If you jump into Windows GUI too soon, you could easily get off-track... sepnding all your time on Windows stuff while neglecting to learn (standard) C++.
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    thank you

    Thank you for the help. I agree, maybe I should not try to rush things and first build a solid foundation on C++ logic first. Iíll work on this first and then study Visual C++ as a summer project.

    You all are great, and I appreciate the help

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    Man if youre tired of DOS and want to make GUI apps, Visual Basic is the way to go. Ive studied it and its really easy and you can make some good GUI apps with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aznboi
    Man if youre tired of DOS and want to make GUI apps, Visual Basic is the way to go. Ive studied it and its really easy and you can make some good GUI apps with it.
    Which version of Visual Basic?

    VB6? It's already dead. Microsoft no longer supports it.

    Visual Basic .NET? It can't be compiled to native code, plus it's a totally different language from the old VB. Anyway, you can access the same class libraries from C++ or C#.

    @ original poster
    Here's a list of Windows tutorials that you might find helpful.
    Last edited by Dante Shamest; 10-14-2005 at 05:55 PM.

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    what do u mean its dead? i sitll use it

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    I have 2 of Ivor Horton's books, the C++ book is really great but the Windows GUI book is total trash, don't start out learning MFC, you really need to understand the underlying structure (that's code for winapi) you're working with unless you want to architect scat.

    When I first learned to program for windows it was with mfc and later learned the api, which I regret as after learning the api mfc was rather natural and easy (was pretty confusing when I was starting out) while the inverse is not true.

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    what do u mean its dead? i sitll use it
    Because future versions of Visual Basic will be for the .NET framework only. It is not at all compatible with older version like VB6. In other words, VB6 is the last in the line of the old Visual Basic language.

    You can still use VB6, but I definitely won't recommend a new programmer to learn it, since it's only going to be less useful in the future.

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    really? darn i just learned it over the summer lol...

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    thank you

    I have a copy of Visual Basic.net; I bought it from the school book store, because of how cheap it was after my student discount.

    But, I know very little about visual basic, and I donít want to learn two programming languages at once. Plus, the sky is the limit with C++.

    I absolutely love it and all I care about is obtaining as much information as possible about this language. Iím addicted! All I think about is someday writing mind blowing games and great applications that everyone could truly enjoy. I just need to take this process one step at a time so I donít get discouraged. I want to write GUIs! But, I will listen to others and do what is necessary first.

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    Why not try Qt?

    Here is a nice book and you will learn how to make platformindependent progarms.

    http://www.phptr.com/content/images/...hette_book.pdf

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