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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    Tourists don't really represent the cream of the crop. Nor do they represent the most culturally afluent segment of any society. That said, english being what it is, it may not be your accent, but your use of colloquialisms, which do not always translate across cultures, even ones that speak the same language.
    I think tourists come from all walks of life - as far as I know, highly educated intelligent people have holidays just as much as those of little education and/or intelligence. The destination may vary, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matsp View Post
    I think tourists come from all walks of life - as far as I know, highly educated intelligent people have holidays just as much as those of little education and/or intelligence. The destination may vary, of course.

    So then you agree that they represent the cross section of the population and not -

    1. The cream of the crop
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    2. The most culturally afluent
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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    So then you agree that they represent the cross section of the population and not -

    1. The cream of the crop
    or
    2. The most culturally afluent
    I'd agree that they do represent a cross-section, yes. But I read your original statement to mean that they represent only those below the top, which I disagree with. Also, destinations for a holiday will probably vary depending on interests and level of education/intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matsp View Post
    I'd agree that they do represent a cross-section, yes. But I read your original statement to mean that they represent only those below the top, which I disagree with. Also, destinations for a holiday will probably vary depending on interests and level of education/intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    It will serve you well to never assume that my statements mean other than precisely what they say. If I mean something perjoratively, you can be sure there will be no doubt. I don't think anyone here would claim that I censor my comments I'm not claiming that I ALWAYS say exactly what I mean, but that is usually the case. Besides, if you take issue with precisely what someone said, rather than what you read into their statements, it put's them in the position to either clarify, or reaffirm their statements. If you take issue with what you read into their statements, it either puts them on the defensive, or gives them the legitimate opportunity to lecture you on proper debate etiquette.
    And how will I know whether:
    Tourists don't really represent the cream of the crop. Nor do they represent the most culturally afluent segment of any society.
    means ALL tourist are not cream of the top and culturally afluent, or that ALL tourist's do not represent these.

    I'm sorry, but I can't read the bits you are thinking but not writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matsp View Post
    And how will I know whether:

    means ALL tourist are not cream of the top and culturally afluent, or that ALL tourist's do not represent these.

    I'm sorry, but I can't read the bits you are thinking but not writing.

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    Tourists - the group of people that 'tour'. Since my statement directly and unequivicobly stated that Tourists do not represent the cream of the crop you can assume that I meant Tourists do not represent the cream of the crop and not 'Tourists are not cream of the crop'. Again, you are reading into my statements and then justifying it by basically claiming that because a similar statement has a different meaning that my statement is thus unclear. I didn't say Tourists are not cream of the crop, nor that no tourists are cream of the crop, nor that cream of the crop are not tourists, nor any other similar statement other than specifically what I did state.

    If I make the statment 'Bannanas are not as yellow as sunflowers'. Would you then attack that statement because some people think bananas are just as good or better than sunflowers and their shade of yellow is just as pretty or more so to some people than sunflower yellow? Either of those arguments have about as much to do with the statement 'Bananas are not as yellow as sunflowers' as your made up bull........ as to what can be read into my statement has to do with my actual statement.

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