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    i7 rebuild.

    As some of you know, I am going to rebuild one, for now, of my machines. Have, more or less..., decided, but I can't trust my brain anymore after my illness, so just need to check.

    Motherboard:
    ASUS Sabertooth Z170 Mark 1
    CPU:
    Intel i7 6700K
    RAM:
    Kingston HyperX Savage 2 x 8 GB

    Will reuse other components from the old system, case, ssd, psu, dvd, parallel port card, (need that for my Laserjet), WLAN card, ASUS HD7850 graphics/GPU.

    Is that a sensible collection?
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    What would we know?

    Do you have any budget considerations? What operating system? What is the machine going to be used for?
    Just a shopping list isn't good enough if we don't know if you are planning to throw a party, fill your pantry for the upcoming WWIII, or distribute it to the poor.
    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    i7 + SSD + 2 GB dedicated graphics card? I think you're set for anything. That 16 GB of RAM doesn't hurt either.

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    It looked okay to me, but with my brain the way it is now, just wanted another opinion.

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    I'll order the stuff tomorrow.
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    @Mario : As Epy says, I was looking for a simple "yes - that will work". If your brain was as messed up as mine is now, you would have no trouble understanding my post.

    The machine was, and will be, a 24/7 BOINC cruncher, my e-mail grabber, some web browsing etc. I USED to be a software engineer developing embedded software, with and without operating systems, (Hex machine code and Assemblers, Fortran 66 and 77, C/C++ and Pascal/Delphi), for 28 years, but have not programmed since my cardiac arrest, 46 minutes of death, and present brain damaged hell. I'd really like to try again, but cannot get any of my compilers to work, and lack any ideas for projects to work on anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fossaw View Post
    @Mario : As Epy says, I was looking for a simple "yes - that will work". If your brain was as messed up as mine is now, you would have no trouble understanding my post.
    I didn't mean anything bad by it, but you must consider that computers are as modular as they can get. Unless your list include a toaster for storage and a calculator for graphics, it is pretty much guaranteed your computer will boot up. It will work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fossaw View Post
    The machine was, and will be, a 24/7 BOINC cruncher, my e-mail grabber, some web browsing etc.
    Then I suspect 16 GB is overdoing it. They won't hurt either, but depending on your budget and where you are buying, you can shave off a few $$ by going with a more sensible 8 GB memory. Even climateprediction.net which has perhaps the largest BOINC memory requirements expects a measly 1.5 GB.

    I'm terribly sorry to hear about you health problems. I hope you are or have recovered well enough. My family does have an history or heart related issues and I fear the day it may find me. But at the age of 46, so far so good. Despite my bad smoking habit and sleeping only a few hours a day.
    Last edited by Mario F.; 04-28-2016 at 02:34 PM.
    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    An i7 is also relatively more expensive than an i5. Considering you're doing number crunching, maybe it's worth it, but have you checked that the additional performance is worth it?
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    Hi, I guess,there isn't a cost effective solution to upgrading a computer though it could be worth it than buying a new one.

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    >>> 16 GB is overdoing it

    I tend to agree. I had 2GB on the old system, and it worked fine, I figured with newer technology, doubling that would be economically worthwhile, doubling again for the hyperthreading, gave me 8GB. I then looked at the "packs" easily available here, (Denmark), and with appropriate DDR4, the smallest was 16GB.

    @Rebeccanne Rusk

    Buying a new machine has disadvantages as well. Most complete computers these days have special "parts", connectors, etc. which mean future upgrades are seriously limited. Manufacturers don't want you to upgrade, they want you to buy a new machine, or "special" parts which only are available from them.

    I've been building computers since the days when that meant Veroboard a soldering iron and 1MHz, Z80 chips.

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    Parts ordered. For a change, the price checker site I use had the same seller as the best option for all parts, cuts the postage at least. They say 3 days, but it's Friday, so probably middle of next week.

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    Comment:

    >>> computers are as modular as they can

    Yes, they are, and as long as you know what you are doing it is not that easy to go wrong. Today, I have seen motherboards, CPU's and memory that you could VERY easily buy to assemble a completely useless pile of junk.

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    ... it's now the middle of "next week" and no parts yet. Tomorrow is a national holiday, in English I think it is called ascension day, we are going to my wife's sisters farm until Sunday, so another week goes by. Hopefully, I'll get my parts Monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fossaw View Post
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    >>> computers are as modular as they can

    Yes, they are, and as long as you know what you are doing it is not that easy to go wrong. Today, I have seen motherboards, CPU's and memory that you could VERY easily buy to assemble a completely useless pile of junk.
    For sure. But in that case you will need to consider make and model, so the technical specs can be compared. Otherwise a simple statement as "I want to buy a i7 and 16 GB of RAM" will be met with universal agreement it does work.
    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    The specifications of the parts I was considering were supplied in the first message of the thread.

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    I've built the new system, and figured I'd get it going this afternoon. Err, I can't plug my keyboard in! It has a din like plug. Do modern mobo's use usb for mouse and keyboard?

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    Yes, USB is king for many peripherals, keyboards included. You may find a mobo with one PS/2 plug you can use. If you are desperate you should purchase a splitter cable/y-adapter. But it should not be hard to find USB peripherals these days.

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