Need to know parameter format for a Call function?

[Will1]

That's the point of open source software. Let's be honest here. There's no way ADAM has any chance of seeing widespread use until it's converted to a programming language more people understand, and made to work on modern operating systems. When DOS was considered modern, I'm sure ADAM was right at home, but DOS is not state of the art anymore, and neither is assembly language. ADAM needs to change with the times, if you expect it to be competitive.

True - see my previous post

This is incorrect. Tim Patterson wrote 86-DOS, which was owned by Seattle Computer Products, and Gates, et al, purchased for $75,000 to sell to IBM. GE was never involved in the transaction.

You may be right there, my source for what you quoted may have been mistaken about the price and source, but the point is that Bill Gates didn't write DOS, he bought it, and copied about all of the other software that MicroSoft sells. (I wonder how much Tim Patterson is worth? I'll bet he isn't a BBBillionare like Gates is. I'd rather end up broke than suffer the same fate that Patterson did.)

I agree with Sebastiani on the licensing. Allow it to be used under an open source license for personal and non-commercial use, and require a paid commercial license for commercial use.

Again, see my previous post.

Will

[phantomotap]

If you downloaded the Prophet, you can try to break the encryption method on the "RECORDS.NFL" file.

O_o

I'm not a lawyer, and this comment is not offered as legal advice, but I'd advise everyone against that path.

This guy seems exactly like the sort of person who would use DMCA, or similar laws in other jurisdictions, to suppress/extort.

Soma

[phantomotap]

Why would you need the source? (You don't get the source other software products but you use them!)

O_o

Why don't you stop pretending to know what you are talking about?

As a developer, I wouldn't pay for any library from any developer without getting the source. By the way, you really should contact a lawyer. Giving people the code isn't a problem. People aren't paying for the code; they pay for the expertise behind the code. If you can't show that expertise, your product isn't worth the price even at free.

As a user:

abiword
aria2
audacity
bash
bc
bison
blender
bzip2
cdrtools
cinelerra-cv
clang
clonezilla
conky
curl
db
ddrescue
dia
dosbox
firefox
fsarchiver
galculator
gcc
gdb
geany
ghex
gimp
gnuplot
gpicview
gtkdialog
gucharmap
guile
gzip
htop
imagemagick
inkscape
less
lighttpd
lilyterm
lua
make
mariadb
mcomix
minidlna
nano
nitrogen
nxgl
openbox
openssh
parcellite
patch
pcmanfm
perl
postgresql
python
sed
slim
sqlite
sudo
tar
thunderbird
tint2
udisks2
unrar
unzip
usbutils
virtualbox
vlc
wget
which
xchm
xz
zathura
zip

Those are the application I've specifically installed on most of my machines.

I have the source code for every single one.

I will save myself the trouble of listening the related dependencies which would triple the list, but I have source for those as well.

[Edit]
As a matter of interest, that list includes "Berkeley DB", "Postgre SQL", "Maria DB", and "SQLite" because I went out of my way to install those database engines because some of my recent work involves "crossdb" programming.

Thanks to dependencies, I actually have four more engines installed on most machines.

I only bring this up because I have the source for eight database engines I use on several machines I maintain.
[/Edit]

Soma

[Will1]

O_o

Why don't you stop pretending to know what you are talking about?

As a developer, I wouldn't pay for any library from any developer without getting the source. By the way, you really should contact a lawyer. Giving people the code isn't a problem. People aren't paying for the code; they pay for the expertise behind the code. If you can't show that expertise, your product isn't worth the price even at free.

I guess you're saying that I didn't know what I was doing when I wrote ADAM, later Pro Football Prophet, and Snelling & Snelling's Temporary Employee data base. What is it that I've posted where I don't know what I'm talking about? Granted, Elkvis has given me some good information, but people like you, who rave about what I keep to myself, are certainly no help at all.

All you have to do with the prophet is download Pro Football Prophet, extract it into a folder with winzip, use the "C:\_" Command Prompt, and type in "football" to get the menu program to run. That, of course, assumes that you know how to use the Command Prompt. Otherwise you can use the more complex Windows "My Computer" Icon and eventually click the "football.exe" icon when you get the Prophet extracted into a folder.

Unless you use any Operating System than Linux you don't have the source code for it.

Have you downloaded Pro Football Prophet and tried it? You don't need the source to do that and you don't need the source for ADAM to use it. You just need the .obj modules and a user's guide.

[stahta01]

Unless you use any Operating System than Linux you don't have the source code for it.

Can anyone explain what the above sentence means?

Tim S.

[vart]

Can anyone explain what the above sentence means?

Tim S.

it should be "if are not using Linux - you do not have source code"
and means that Will1 is not familiar with any open source OS except Linux

[stahta01]

it should be "if are not using Linux - you do not have source code"
and means that Will1 is not familiar with any open source OS except Linux

I have the source on Windows 7 for a few of the program in the list above; I an guessing about 5 of them.

BSD is the other major open source OS I know about. I have no idea of the number of minor open source OSes. Would not be surprised if it is in the hundreds.

Tim S.

[Elkvis]

I think you'll need to release your source and a detailed description of your algorithms and processes, to at least one other person, if you expect it to gain any traction at all. The 16-bit DOS version literally cannot be used by anything but other 16-bit DOS programs. The Win32 version is more or less useless until you can make it work with more than one file per process. It is possible to overcome this, but you'll obviously need help. I'll say it now for the third (at least) time. I'm willing to help you if you're willing to let me see your "trade secrets."

[Will1]

I think you'll need to release your source and a detailed description of your algorithms and processes, to at least one other person, if you expect it to gain any traction at all. The 16-bit DOS version literally cannot be used by anything but other 16-bit DOS programs. The Win32 version is more or less useless until you can make it work with more than one file per process. It is possible to overcome this, but you'll obviously need help. I'll say it now for the third (at least) time. I'm willing to help you if you're willing to let me see your "trade secrets."

Are you willing to sign a strict non-disclosure agreement? If so, I will email you the ADAM source code including the 2 source modules that I've upgraded to Windows 32 bit.

[Elkvis]

Are you willing to sign a strict non-disclosure agreement? If so, I will email you the ADAM source code including the 2 source modules that I've upgraded to Windows 32 bit.

The source won't do me much good without detailed documentation. I'm not an assembly language programmer. I understand a little bit, but I'm hardly fluent in it. I'd need really serious documentation of the way everything should work, including file formats, etc. We can discuss this in private message if you like.

[Will1]

The source won't do me much good without detailed documentation. I'm not an assembly language programmer. I understand a little bit, but I'm hardly fluent in it. I'd need really serious documentation of the way everything should work, including file formats, etc. We can discuss this in private message if you like.

OK Elsvis, I'll send you the source for Pro Football Prophet but I don't see anyway to attach the .zip file to a private message here. If you'll send me a message or an email (you already have my email address), I'll reply with the .zip file for the Prophet source code attached. If you haven't already done it, create a "football" folder, download the football.zip (post # 146) and extract it into the "football" folder. I'll guarantee you there are no viruses in either of the .zip files but I'm sure you can scan them with antivirus software.

Will

[phantomotap]

Why would anyone buy a PC without an OS? Unless you build your own PC, it's probably best to just leave the OS alone instead of taking chances with the Open Source stuff that is floating around. I can't imagine anyone demanding the source code for everything they use on their PC. How about the virus protection software, how about Winzip, how about a word processor, How about an internet browser, etc. I, personally use a lot of software that I don't have the source code for. It's better to stick with proven software than to fool around with stuff that is free but probably has worse bugs in it than Windows does. Windows XP has bugs in the "Full Screen Mode" so Microsoft just did away with it in Windows 7. As far as my own experience goes, the best Windows ever was Windows 98. Yes, it has a bug in it when you try to rename a file in DOS Mode but the same bug is in Windows XP and probably in Windows 7. This constantly upgrading your OS as per MicroSoft, their aim is not to improve Windows, their aim is to sell it over and over as the versions go up and up. What version is out now? 8.2 or something even later.

O_o

o_O

Wow. That was hilarious. ^_^

Soma

[Click_here]

Again - This is not related to C and should probably be on the Tech board. It's like laserlight gave up and stopped reading this thread...

[laserlight]

*Moved to Tech board*

[Will1]

*Moved to Tech board*

Thanks laserlight!

Will