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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Who says you need to format?
    Whatever operating system he chooses to install will need to be installed on a formatted disk...

    I really don't get what you're asking.
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    *nod* Understood.
    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    Whatever operating system he chooses to install will need to be installed on a formatted disk...

    I really don't get what you're asking.
    Will it now?
    Last I recall, XP, Vista and 7 can be installed on a partition where another OS has previously been installed.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

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    It will be a surprise if Vista or XP can be installed on top of Windows 7 without formatting? Can they?
    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    On top? No.
    But they can be installed onto the same partition. Of course, they will "remove" the other OS. Its files will still remain, along with everything else, but you cannot use the old OS anymore.
    So yes, you can install without formatting.

    EDIT:
    Actually, I never tried installing Vista on a 7 partition, but I do believe it can work.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Will it now?
    Last I recall, XP, Vista and 7 can be installed on a partition where another OS has previously been installed.
    Right, well even if we pretend for a second that the OP didn't say "Anyway, gonna check with ubuntu," it really doesn't make it any less sensible to back up and do a clean installation of the above operating systems is significantly more sensible than installing over the old operating system and being left with a very sloppy file system. Vista (and I believe 7) is particularly faulty with this because of it's terrible Windows Side-By-Side folders.

    So to answer your original question... nobody said he "has to" reformat... but why shouldn't he? To me, it's like you're telling a guy with a key to a door that he doesn't "have to" use the key... he can always just kick down the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Of course, they will "remove" the other OS.
    From what I remember it doesn't remove the other OS, really... it just renames everything to [folder].old and let's it be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    On top? No.
    But they can be installed onto the same partition. Of course, they will "remove" the other OS. Its files will still remain, along with everything else, but you cannot use the old OS anymore.
    So yes, you can install without formatting.
    Ignoring anything else, there's still the issue of the 200Mb WinRE primary partition created by Windows 7 that will definitely show during WinXP or Vista installation.

    Actually, I never tried installing Vista on a 7 partition, but I do believe it can work.
    I haven't myself either. I'm more skeptical however.

    In any case, due to the WinRE partition, it's not even advisable one just installs Vista or XP on top of Windows 7 just like that. A little housecleaning, like repartitioning to remove the WinRE partition is advisable, and necessarily forces a format.
    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    From what I remember it doesn't remove the other OS, really... it just renames everything to [folder].old and let's it be.
    That was my point

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Ignoring anything else, there's still the issue of the 200Mb WinRE primary partition created by Windows 7 that will definitely show during WinXP or Vista installation.
    I haven't heard not seen of any partition like that, though.
    Still, I don't think it's going to cause troubles, is it?
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    Right, well even if we pretend for a second that the OP didn't say "Anyway, gonna check with ubuntu,"
    Pretty sure this was with reference to the link to a thread about Toshibas overheating from a ubuntu forum, which neither thing actually had anything to do with ubunu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    Pretty sure this was with reference to the link to a thread about Toshibas overheating from a ubuntu forum, which neither thing actually had anything to do with ubunu.
    Yes, I think you're right, though I don't really see the need to check overheating issues after he already realized his issue was the operating system. Regardless, it doesn't change my point. Backup and clean install always works better than installing over. To me that's like painting over paint without putting a primer first.
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    That seems more like a myth to me. I can't count how many times I've installed over old Windows installations without wiping the partition first.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    I thought y'all were talking about an upgrade, but I guess there is no upgrade from windows 7! Except linux

    I put new OS installs over old ones without formatting the partition fairly regularly (inc. XP*), and have never had a problem. I don't see what difference "formatting the drive" will make unless you zero out the data too (aka, a low level format), which can take HOURS.

    Unless you are changing the filesystem type, of course. Then you need to format the partition as a new type.

    That said, doing a format wouldn't hurt either.

    *tho for all I know XP does do a format.
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    Well it's probably because you've never experienced an upgrade from an OS where there is no upgrade path. There is no in-place upgrade to windows 7 from XP, for instance.

    Without specific information a clean install is always safer simply because it will always work. It should be painless anyway. Data you don't have two copies of is data you don't care about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    *tho for all I know XP does do a format.
    You get to choose if you want to format or not. Or at least for XP pro, never tried home so can't comment on that one.

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