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    Who buys a processor with less than 1 GHz o.o ... If I got one of those, I'd never be sure about it, like what if it melts when I press the space bar, so I'd always have to watch out for what I did >.< Never gonna happen! :P
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    I don't think it's going to melt when you press space bar, though
    The lower the frequency, the lower the thermal power.

    I found a formula that described it:
    P = CU^2f

    The lower the frequency, the lower the voltage, the less power it drains...

    But, on the other hand, no one can say if the computer is going to explode if you press the space bar
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akkernight View Post
    Who buys a processor with less than 1 GHz o.o ... If I got one of those, I'd never be sure about it, like what if it melts when I press the space bar, so I'd always have to watch out for what I did >.< Never gonna happen! :P
    Lots of people - most of us have a mobile phone, and they usually run in the 100-500MHz range, for example.

    [You did say computer, not PC!]

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    -.- ... ha ha! Very funny :P Well, I've never understood the difference between PC and Computer :P But do mean PC, and seriously lower than 1GHz is too unsafe, like if someone got one of those and Vista (Not a person with much knowledge to computers) he/she wouldn't be able to play a card game that follows with Vista... :P
    And why think of the power usage of a computer o.O? Well, I don't pay rents and all that, but is a PC even noticable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akkernight View Post
    -.- ... ha ha! Very funny :P Well, I've never understood the difference between PC and Computer :P But do mean PC, and seriously lower than 1GHz is too unsafe, like if someone got one of those and Vista (Not a person with much knowledge to computers) he/she wouldn't be able to play a card game that follows with Vista... :P
    There is nothing 'unsafe' about slower systems. many of us here have used systems in the kilohertz range.

    And why think of the power usage of a computer o.O? Well, I don't pay rents and all that, but is a PC even noticable?
    more so than leaving say, 10 lights on. How you measure power consumption is largely determined by what you use the system for. A datacenter will measure it in terms of MIPS/Watt while a workstation that sits idle 23 hours and 59 minutes of the day would be more concerned with Watts/Sec. Laptop users are often concerned more with watts/sec because they A arent runnign processor intensive tasks and B are runnign on limited battery power, so lower power use translates into longer battery life. This is particularly a concern for trans-pacific flights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akkernight View Post
    And why think of the power usage of a computer o.O? Well, I don't pay rents and all that, but is a PC even noticable?
    A typical rating is about 200W. And that is at around idle with a hungry 95W processor.
    If you're playing games, it's even more than that. And if you get a higher TDP processor, it is even more. A graphics card can easily eat 50-60W more if it's under heavy load.
    And, of course, this is not counting the monitor. Expect it to eat 50-70W, as well.

    PCs are horrible. But I have seen that with newer motherboards + a Phenom, you can get that figure down to about 100W for an idle PC.
    And if you turn down the brightness of your monitor, you can drop the power use of monitor drastically, as well.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Had phenom, but got refunds for that PC :P Well, my PC also has fancy blue lights ^^ and 2 GFX cards... My parents must love it especially when I leave it all on, including the 360 and TV and then fall asleep ^^ Well I paid for it all myself, so that's the least they can do, pay for the usage :P
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    Your PC must use at least 300W...
    Anyway, get yourself a timer and prop it into that outlet so it shuts off at night, so your machines won't be running all night!
    Besides, it is a good idea to cut power to any devices in standby mode. You seriously don't realize how much power that may be drawing, even idling.
    I know my TV (which I use as a computer monitor, too) draws 25W when idle. Horrible. My PC also draws 25W when off. Even more horrible.
    So always, always cut the power when you don't use your stuff.
    Next time your parents might buy something for you when you don't eat up all that in maintenance costs
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    This is particularly a concern for trans-pacific flights.
    Ugg... trans-Pacific. I don't even want to think about it. I go trans-Atlantic quite frequently and I still need a second battery. Even in power saving mode, as long as I'm using the computer, I still only get a good 5.5 to 6 hours out of it.
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    5.5-6 hours is very good for battery life. Thankfully, there is an option to secondary batteries... which is even cheaper and can give you much more power than a stupid battery.
    I found an external charger at 20Ah, with max voltage output DC at 20V. And all this for around $100 or so. Converted from local currency, of course. But it sure beats the heck out of expensive batteries.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    5.5-6 hours is very good for battery life.
    Yes, it is... it was one of the main features I was going for when putting together my laptop. It's the main reason I went for integrated graphics and a small screen. Also, the reason it gets up to 6 hours on an airplane is because I turn the WiFi and Bluetooth receivers off and if I watch a movie, I do it from an SD card instead of my hard drive which I let spin down. My processor also clocks down to 50&#37; maximum on Power Saving mode.
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    Well.. The problem is, I fall asleep in mid day too and often :P and I am demanded to plug the electricity out every night >.> Hard work I tell ye!
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    Anyway, I got an MSI Wind U100 today...

    It's fantastic! I've already upgraded to 2GB of memory (1GB onboard + 1GB DDR2), doesn't make a difference yet... but it does help future proof the laptop.

    Thanks everyone :-)

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    So, anyone know of a SSD vs HDD comparison? These small laptops, a lot of them come with SSD, and it's a question if they should be swapped out for an HDD, or if some type of external storage solution should be used... there are usb memories with 32 GB out there now.

    And Akkernight, maybe plug in a timer that limits your playing to X hours at a time?
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    SSD uses less power, which is a good thing.
    Given the small size of the disk, having an external disk for storing data is a good idea (it's a good idea anyway to separate data from software, makes it a lot easier to reinstall and backup).

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