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No, I know you were joking. My point still stands.

I don't like you very much. Please post a lot less.

The man has overcome a horribly crippling disease and has pretty much rewritten the way we see the universe. Seems pretty great to me.

> such persons that are simply considered great by everyone?

Most people become less great the more people know about them. (most people, there are obviously exceptions)

> could things have gone differently?

Possibly, but I doubt it. Archimedes died looooong before the Dark Ages, and I don't think his death had that much of an effect on things.

What was the point of that post?

edit: Whoa fast posters, I meant XeRth

> would there be a "dark ages"?

Yes, thanks to the fact that the people burning ancient literature probably didn't give a damn about calculus.

Leonardo da Vinci, a renaissance man in every way, and also the inspiration for a Ninja Turtle

It's certainly no secret Jefferson owned slaves, but he did emancipate them upon his death, right? Also, he was instrumental in creating the country ("Hi I'm Tom and I wrote the Declaration of...

> Jefferson

I think this one might win. Greatest American of the Enlightenment, anyways.

> Pope John Paul II

Why?

> Hitler

Great orator, crappy at pretty much everything else.

I'm going to say Hammurabi, see your Julius Caesar, and raise you Augustus.