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Justice shall be served at 3PM. Anyone care to start up a eagles NFC game chat like last year? And like former years, i am not talking about warr sapp like that...ever....again.
Cheez? Kermi? PJ? I'll be on aim during the game.
Oh and axon cuz he cries like my little sister.
>>Cheez? Kermi? PJ? I'll be on aim during the game.<<
what about axon?? huh? you get on aim, link me to your ishy thread, and don't even include me in it?! for that, your precious lil' eagles will go down into the fiery pits and die a thousand deaths!!!!!!
i dont know what you mean??? :confused: :confused:
The Eagles will lose, sorry RoD.
Better get paypal.com up and ready.
they are so gonna win
I need to get some work done so I won't be in the chat, but I'll be watching the game. I actually hope Philly wins, because god do I hate Mike Vick.It's not funny anymore. Stop it.Quote:
Better get paypal.com up and ready.
>It's not funny anymore. Stop it.
I wasn't trying to be funny. So you stop it.
No i did bet him this year, govt lol.
But, falcons are so done.
This kid singing the National Anthem is freaking priceless
lol i missed it my gf decided i dont care about her and i had to go cry my heart out. wow, i really thought she knew, i tell her all the time. Its ok, i left her with a bunch of tears and about 15 poems i wrote her in the last three days.....
ima go watch the game, i wont be on aim. suddenly not up to it.
>ima go watch the game
Your GF is more important, ashat
she doesnt think i care, and has been hanging with her ex for the past week behind my back. to hell with her i dont care...
You're a hell of a guy, RoD.
no im not. i'm a damn loser.
You know who else is a damn loser?Quote:
Originally Posted by RoD
Whoa... I don't even wanna know what they're tryin' to do to that guy.
lmao phi leveled him too
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Originally Posted by Govtcheez
where is my :rofl: ?!?! hahahhaa
LOL, Atlanta scores, here comes the choke! :D
Cough Cough (choke Choke Ahjhhhh Im Choking)
Phi? Isn't that a Greek letter?
I guess I'd understand if I watched football....
Donovan McNabb's mom better get all the Chunky Soup ready for the afterparty.
PHI stands for Philidelphia, as in the Philidelphia Eagles.Quote:
Originally Posted by gcn_zelda
I don't watch much football this season because the Ravens didn't make it into the playoffs :( , but my vote is for Philidelphia.
It was a good game. Sorry the wrong team won, but it was a good game.
the right team earned it.
GOOD NIGHT FALCONS, HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO PATS!!!
> HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO PATS!!!
This game better get better fast, because this is pathetic.
Woah, they pulled it out. Great, now it looks like we have a year to look forward to nothing but this:
RoD: You owe me money!
BobDole: No I don't now we're even!
Rod: Yes you do!
BobDole: No I don't!
Rod: Ya-huh!
BobDole: Na-uh!
Both: MOM!
Yes, yes it is.
> HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO PATS!!!
I hate the Patriots! :mad:
well, hopefully vick's ego will go down a few magnitudes.
I've never seen any evidence of Vick's ego besides the media praising him...have you ever read anything he says in his post game interview's etc? I'm not saying he doesn't have an ego - I haven't heard may of his press conferences either - but the ones I have heard have talked about team team team.
Just cause someone is good it is assumed they are an egotistical jerk...
Kermi's right; I've never heard Vick say anything huge, but the media slobbing his knob whenever he does anything a normal QB does is out of hand. "Holy crap, it's a 5 yard pass to Alge Crumpler! Put him in Canton!"
i heard this on the radio
"well next to vick mcnabb may as well be a newb, philly has no hope of beating the falcons unless they get a new QB"
heh, i dont see how vick is so special. OOOO he can run!!! gimme a break
He's pretty much the same as having another RB in the backfield. He's got a hell of an arm, but really doesn't have much in the way of control right now.
you mean like mcnabb before andy told him to stay put?
Yep.
edit: To his credit, Vick ran less this season than he ever has before. (except when he broke his leg, heh)
mcnabb has gotten better since he stayed put, theres a reason most qb's run as a last resort. vick looks for excuses to be a RB
I think they give him so much credit because he is one of the few guys who can singlehandedly make a couple of crazy plays to win the game for his team. BUT he is also one of a few guys who single handedly LOSES games for his team as well.
My family lives in Atlanta and they worship him out there. One thing going for him is that before Vick, nobody gave a crap about the Falcons. Now people are fighting for tickets to go see their games.
There's no doubt he's a hell of a runner, but in my opinion a QB's thoughts should be pass first, run later. He frequently looks like he goes to the run on pass plays without even giving his wideouts a second thought. When he does pass it it's usually pretty bad; Philly should have had at least 2 more picks.
It doesn't help that he doesn't have much in the way of receivers, though. Hell, his leading receiver's his TE, which shows either his reluctance to trust his WRs or his propensity to avoid looking downfield in the first place. I'm sure if he could pass the ball to himself he would.
Parhaps, I've judged him too hard - but there are certain players, like Vick, that I simply don't like. Today he looked horrible.
GO NE!
Well to be fair, the guy has NO receivers to throw to besides Crumpler. Price is their best wideout, and he'd be the third or fourth best receiver on most other teams if that, so rarely is looking downfield even an option. Give him a Terrell Owens and he could very well start throwing downfield consistantly, then again maybe not.
Brian Finneran's not too terrible, and you've got a point, but if the ball doesn't even get there it can't really be considered the receivers' fault. Granted, I haven't watched more than 2-3 Falcons games this season, but in the ones I watched I saw Vick make bad decisions and bad throws.
OK, so RoD does'nt owe me $20 anymore :(
&*#$ing Steelers :mad: I hate NE.
But now I'm torn: I can root for a team with a former Michigan Wolverine at the helm, or I can root for the team that could pound the snot out of the team that pounded the snot out of my team.
Ahh... the problems faced by a dejected NFL fan.
I hate both teams, I hope they both lose, Go Fans!
vote philly or vote wrong!
yea were even :P
Can't wait till the Eagles win the Super Bowl this year. I hate the Patriots!
yea we are so taking the SB
Point spread says NE :(
yea screw pts spread
Vick's passing has improved. While I agree that he should throw more....he does need another reciever besides Crumpler and why not take advantage of the weapons you have? With him, Dunn and Ducket the Falcons are in the unheard of positions of being about to put 2 or 3 serious running threats on the field at a time. If Vick doesn't run some - especially on designed runs, you start to take that threat away - which hurts your pass game and the rest of your running game. Not to mention, a lot of the delayed runs that Vick makes are designed as runs or as options - I don't think you should wail on him for a designed play...
That being said, he still has a lot of work to do on his descission making and passing abilities before he'll be a great QB.
> Vick's passing has improved.
Michael Vick 11-24 136 0 1 46.5
If you discount the 3 longest passes he threw Sunday, there's a whopping 53 passing yards, which is a stellar average of 6.6 YPC. He was also sacked for almost 40 yards.Atlanta had the least passing yards, least attempts, and least receptions in the league this year. It can't all be blamed on the WRs.
edit: And if you look at the stats, his passing was actually worse this year than it was in 02, the only other full season he's played. It's not as if they've lost any big receivers since then, either.
You're right, but the numbers you're pointing at from sunday are against one of the best pass defenses in the league - while still not great, his rating against other teams was average wasn't it?
> while still not great, his rating against other teams was average wasn't it?
No. His passing yards are below even the great Joey Harrington, who didn't even have his first 300 yard game of his career until like week 15 of this season (whenever they lost to the Vikings on that crappyass snap). His QB rating's 6 tenths of a point higher, though! Awesome!
Speaking of the Lions, here are Vick's stats in the game against them this season. Keep in mind that Detroit's one of the worst pass defenses in the league.
18 29 196 62.1 6.76 49 0 1 67.6
edit: That jumble of numbers doesn't make much sense as a jumble. They are, in order, completions, attempts, yards, percent, average, long, TDs, INT, and rating.
yea vick is gay
Wow RoD. In a conversation riddled with evidence and faulted filled with facts and thought, you managed to make the point so much better than any of us. Thank you.
lmao i speaka the trutha.....um brotha lmao
I agree with Kermi, he certainly needs to improve his throwing and get better receivers before he can ever become a great QB. That being said though, I think he unjustly gets blamed for the fact that Atlanta hardly thows the ball. Atlanta rarely calls passing plays to anyone other than Crumpler, and that really can't be blamed completely on Vick's passing ability. The team wins because of Vick's feet and the disruption it causes to the other team, make him stay in the pocket every down and you can pretty much guarantee that the Falcons would have been at best a Wild Card and no way would they be one game from the Super Bowl. Plus, everybody in the world knows that he is only going to throw to Crumpler, yet the guy still gets tons of TD's and yards which shows that Vick is certainly capable of throwing it well to a good reciever. When none of your crap receivers are good enough to ever get separation, what can you possibly do?
A good example is the two playoff games this year. Against St Louis he had far less pass completions and far less passing yards but he ran for a lot. Atlanta won easily. Against Philly he was held in check and hardly ran for anything. Even though he got more passing they lost pretty handedly. They win when he can run and lose when he can't, so why would Atlanta call passing plays? This is why he has the lowest passing attempts, completions, etc. The team runs as much as any other team, plus a third to a half of the passing plays are designed Vick runs. Its not his ego, its just the way the Atlanta offense is designed right now. Plus they just converted to a West Coast Offense which is all about those stupid little dink passes.
If he could just keep from thowing stupid interceptions I'd think him and the Falcons would be an extremely tough team to beat. Yards and completion average just don't mean that much.
The falcons would be a VERY good team, and they have shown they have the heart....they need recievers, because if vick keeps holding the team on his legs, hes going to loose his career to injury. Look at the hits philly laid on the falcons last night, they are all soaking in hot tubs today, im sure.
I agree with PJ - as I should since he was agreeing with me, but I also think that he's not giving enough credit to the Falcon's defense this year.
The new coaching staff brought it from worst (32nd) in the league to 14th. That's a heck of an improvement and I think that's an even bigger reason that the Falcons made it this far this year compared to last than Vick is.
True. Without that defense they are probably a 8-8 team with Vick and 5-11 without him.
yet vick has been sacked how many times?
on a side note: Chad lewis will be out for the SB with a severe foot injury. I think everyone is making too much of it already. Yes, he scored two TD's yesterday, but hes being replaced by LJ smith who is a very capable player. I think they will be fine without Lewis.
> everybody in the world knows that he is only going to throw to Crumpler
Well it's a good thing he's never stopped trying to throw it to him. If your TE is your number one target, there are serious problems with both the skill of your quarterback and the skill of the GM.
> Its not his ego, its just the way the Atlanta offense is designed right now.
Like I said, I don't think he has ego issues, at least not in the same neighborhood as TO or Keyshawn "Leon" Johnson or Freddie "Greatest Player in the History of the World who only caught 2 passes yesterday" Mitchell. He's a good runner, and he knows it, but he relies on it too much. That's what I've been trying to say, he thinks run first and pass later. Yes, plenty of their plays are runs designed for him, but you can't tell me that the huge yardage he lost on just a handful of sacks were because of those plays.
> They win when he can run and lose when he can't, so why would Atlanta call passing plays?
So why not make him an RB? This year's draft is pretty QB rich, isn't it?
> That's a heck of an improvement and I think that's an even bigger reason that the Falcons made it this far this year compared to last
Totally. Defense wins championships, in pretty much any sport. (offense is just more fun to watch :) )
> because if vick keeps holding the team on his legs, hes going to loose his career to injury
This is probably true as well. Remember how great they were when his leg was broken? When you take as many hits as he does something bad is going to happen.
> yet vick has been sacked how many times?
Second most sacked QB in the league, behind David Carr, that lovable punching bag. I didn't see anything about the O-Line in those posts, but I think at least some of the sacks are totally Vick's fault. There's a time to to throw the ball away, and he doesn't have any idea when that is. He's so addicted to the idea that he can make something out of nothing that he tries it every time.
I don't want you to think I'm totally anti-Vick or anything. I'm not. I mean, Jesus, it's obvious - when he plays, the Falcons have a MUCH better chance than when he doesn't. I just hate hate hate the fact that whenever he does anything any quarterback should be able to do he's showered with praise, and when he makes stupid mistakes they're ignored. He's not the first mobile QB in the league, so I don't know where that distinction comes from. Like RoD said, McNabb started putting up those numbers when he stayed put, and he didn't even have any decent receivers until this year, either.
Has there been any word on TO playing in the SB?
edit: This is fun :)
TO will be running on the foot this week. When asked last night, live after the win while accepting the trophy, andy said:
Q: So we are all dying to know, will TO be playing in the SB?
A: I dont see any reason to expect otherwise.
He is a snob tho.
I mostly agree with you, just not the fact that Crumpler being the number one receiver is Vick's fault. Also, I think the big difference here is if anything I've heard the exact opposite about what people are saying about him. The only time I ever hear anyone praising him is when he runs, and usually I hear announcers saying his passing and decision making needs to improve. If I heard them gushing over him like you say I'm sure I'd have the same feelings towards him ;) He does get sacked more than he should but I think that'll improve with time, after all this is only his second full season. I also think there's an unreasonable amount of pressure on him each game to make crazy plays thus leading to numerous sacks and bad decisions. I totally agree that he is guaranteed to get hurt soon which will be a real shame IMO.
TO is pretty much guaranteed to play, how could he not? I just wish they would announce it now so we don't have to listen to the whole "Will he or won't he?" debate for the next two weeks.
the head coach said hes playing so why ppl are debating it is beyond me.
> He is a snob tho.
I know I pimp SA all the time, but there was an absolutely fantastic thread about TO when he did his little "who am i gonna play for" routine. Someone noticed TO actually posts to his own fan boards, and good god is he retarded.
> just not the fact that Crumpler being the number one receiver is Vick's fault.
It's not just , but typically if the TE gets the most looks it means the QB isn't trying to go downfield as much as he should be. It doesn't make any sense that Crumpler can get more separation than Price or Finneran or anyone, especially on interior routes.
> I totally agree that he is guaranteed to get hurt soon which will be a real shame IMO.
You didn't give me anything to argue against, jerk. :mad:
> TO is pretty much guaranteed to play, how could he not? I just wish they would announce it now so we don't have to listen to the whole "Will he or won't he?" debate for the next two weeks.
If he actually came out and said it he wouldn't be TO.
> the head coach said hes playing so why ppl are debating it is beyond me
That could totally be a mind game, though. If NE spends all their time preparing for TO and he doesn't play... whoops!
hmm good point, but did you see him the last two games? hes jumping and hopping around like his old arrogant self.
Yeah, I think he'll probably play, but I don't think Reid's the final say on it in any case.
reid is the only one who would bench him imo
>>So why not make him an RB? This year's draft is pretty QB rich, isn't it?
I think that would be a bad move. Yes he is not the best QB in the league in the air, but his QB rating is in the middle of the pack - 78.8. Not great, but not awful. The falcons alreay have 2 great backs in Duckett and Dunn. By having Vick on the field you get an average thrower with the addiional benifit of another back who can do play action. When vick hands the ball off and then bootlegs out to the other side defenses are forced to cover both Vick and the running back until they are sure who has the ball; That makes the running game and the passing game much more effective.
Moreover, this was his first year - and the team's first year (a very young team) - in a new system. Several of the incompletes yesterday were simply bad communication between Vick and his recievers. McNabb used to have the same problems, time will help.
>>Second most sacked QB in the league, behind David Carr
Tied for Culpepper for second. Plus what do you expect out of a guy who keeps the ball (on design) more often than other QBs do...same with Dante.
Look I agree he gets way to much press. But he makes a massive impact every time he steps on the field - arguably more than any other player in the game (just by being a third back). His passing game does need work, and he needs to learn the system better, but he's only 24 years old, he has 7-10 more years in him. Give him time and I think he'll be one of the best (or probably at least on the Pennington./Hassleback decent-good passer level).
>>the head coach said hes playing so why ppl are debating it is beyond me
Misinformation. Last week he called Jim Mora and the Falcon's D-Corrdinator (both of whom coached TO at the 49ers and are friends - to tell them "Look out for me coach, I'll be there, I'm coming!"
>>I know I pimp SA all the time, but there was an absolutely fantastic thread about TO when he did his little "who am i gonna play for" routine. Someone noticed TO actually posts to his own fan boards, and good god is he retarded.
I just read him on his board. Man he's dumb. In his defense he only posts on the "ask terrell" section, but his posts are all one liners, bad grammer, bad spelling, and ALL IN CAPITAL LETTERS.
lmao never said he was smart.
> When vick hands the ball off and then bootlegs out to the other side defenses are forced to cover both Vick and the running back until they are sure who has the ball
They have to do this with any QB, especially any mobile one. Vick's not special in this respect.
> Tied for Culpepper for second.
That's what I get for doing stats from memory. I'm not sure on this (and I don't care enough to check at work), but I bet you Vick lost a lot more yards due to being sacked than Culpepper.
> But he makes a massive impact every time he steps on the field - arguably more than any other player in the game (just by being a third back)
Blah, blah, blah. Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it any more true. At the very least, repeating it over and over again with using anything to back it up doesn't make it true.
> he has 7-10 more years in him.
Unless/until his injuries catch up with him.
> bad spelling
Hehe :) I don't think you're allowed to rag on anyone from their spelling, especially after you misspelled "grammar".
> ALL IN CAPITAL LETTERS
Don't forget they're usually in bold, too (or at least they were). The best part is that every time he posts it's like he's writing a text message to someone. I don't think he knows what a real word looks like, but if you call him on it, he'll remind you he won all sorts of spelling bees when he was in school (I'm not kidding, either).
>>Hehe I don't think you're allowed to rag on anyone from their spelling, especially after you misspelled "grammar".
Hey, when I'm writing someting of any important, I write it in Word for a reason....
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Originally Posted by Crazy TO Fan X
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Originally Posted by Crazy TO Fan Y
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Originally Posted by TO
See if his "GT YO POPCORN RDY" thread is still on there. That's where he complained about his rights being violated because he wasn't traded where he wanted to go.
>>It's not just , but typically if the TE gets the most looks it means the QB isn't trying to go downfield as much as he should be. It doesn't make any sense that Crumpler can get more separation than Price or Finneran or anyone, especially on interior routes.<<
Sure it makes sense, it means Crumpler is ten times the receiver than those other two. I'm out in Atlanta a lot and seen a lot of Vicks games as well. The receivers are never open, its by far the biggest topic written by all the Atlanta sports writers outside of Vick. The entire town is begging for receiver help. Besides, theres no such thing as downfield in a West Coast Offense. His numbers have suffered a bit simply because of the coversion to this new offensive scheme.
>>They have to do this with any QB, especially any mobile one. Vick's not special in this respect.<<
True, they have to respect every QB in this scenario, but the have to RESPECT Vick. Most QB's at most you have to worry about is him running for a first down. Vick you always have to worry about going the distance meaning you HAVE to cover him (usually with two people), the running back, and the receivers. Only Dante comes close to needing that much attention. So in a sense he is special in this respect.
You guys really got me interested in those TO posts, I'll have to pull them up when I have some time :D
We're not going to get anywhere in this Vick thing, guys. Let's agree to disagree and make fun of TO, ok?
>You guys really got me interested in those TO posts, I'll have to pull them up when I have some time
OK :)
TO's in bold. These threads aren't on his board anymore. In case anyone forgot, he really wanted to get traded from the Niners, and when they announced he was traded to the Ravens, he refused to play. I'm not sure I'd play for the Ravens, either.Quote:
Subject: Terrell -- please fight to come to Philly!
Take 'em to court!
Beat 'em all up!
Come to the Philly!!!!!
I AM! HOPEFULLY THE PLAYERS UNION WILL TAKE THIS SERIOUS B/C I KNOW HV RIGHTS UNDER THE CONTRACT THT I SIGNED N '99 THT WOULD ALLOW ME VOID MY CONTRACT AFTER 5TH YR & WE GOT NO NOTIFICATION WHATSOEVER OF A MOVE UP DATE N NO WAY,SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION!
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Subject: T.O. where are you?
I thought with our move to get Kearse, our front office was showing it was serious. Reports were that you were a lock for Philly. I just don't see you fitting in at Baltimore. Please clarify the whole situation esp. with this news of dirty tactics involved with the trade. We still want you desparately in Philly!
YEH, THEY BACKSTABBED ME AGAIN, BUT I AIN'T GOIN AWAY LIKE THAT, I'LL FIGHT THIS N COURT IF I HV 2! MY RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED! AS 4 AS I'M CONCERNED, I LEFT MEMORIES N SAN FRAN BUT MY HEART IS N PHILLY
His thoughts on Tony Parrish not making the Pro Bowl last yearQuote:
Are you fighting the Baltimore Trade?
Reports here in Philadelphia say that the Niners snuck you into Baltimore after a verbal agreement with the Eagles.
Are you going to fight the trade and try to come to Philly? Please Answer!!!!!!
U'RE EXACTLY RITE, U BET I WILL! TERRY DONAHUE IS A SNAKE N THE GRASS!
And now I've got a picture of what happened when someone called him on his spelling. I love you, TO :)Quote:
HE DEF SHOULD HV MADE THE PRO BOWL THIS YR & LAST YR, HE GOTTA MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN OUT THERE ON THE FIELD LIKE MERTON HANKS DID! I TOLD HIM ABOUT THAT, HE HAS 2 B A LIL MORE FLAMBUOYANT LIKE MYSELF!
PS Thanks to Gendo at SA for originally collecting all of these quotes and bringing his majesty to our attention. Also for the Najeh Davenport GIF :)
>>We're not going to get anywhere in this Vick thing, guys. Let's agree to disagree and make fun of TO, ok?<<
Agreed. It was fun while it lasted, well fought mate ;)
LOL those posts are hilarious, just when my opinion of him couldn't get any worse :D
Is TO playing in the SB?
According to his coach, he is.