Ok, uhh, well, I know how these topics usually go (i.e closed in two days), but the United Nations refuses to agree with executing Saddam, but Bush and the Iraqi council want him dead. I personally think he deserves to be executed.
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Ok, uhh, well, I know how these topics usually go (i.e closed in two days), but the United Nations refuses to agree with executing Saddam, but Bush and the Iraqi council want him dead. I personally think he deserves to be executed.
Forget the trial. Invest about 5 bucks in a box of bullets and put one in his head.
Does he deserve to be executed? Probably. Should they? Nope.
There is too high of a risk of turning him into a martyr if they do.
What do you mean, exactly?
If he becomes a martry then all the religous zealots will just get stronger because they will have a huge cause to rally to.
No they should not execute him - I was joking around in my post.
If Saddam were to be executed it could be interpeted as the US influencing and intruding on the Arab world. Remember we are not that well liked in that region, even by our "allies".
Of course if he were to die in a freak "accident" I wouldn't shed a tear.
...and us attacking Iraq is not being construde as intruding on the Arab world?
Well, aren't we trying to make them more independent? I don't like the whole ordeal, but I hope that we really did oust a cruel dictator to give people independence.
...but there is no need to add even MORE fuel to the fire now is there? :)Quote:
...and us attacking Iraq is not being construde as intruding on the Arab world?
Death is too good for him. He should be locked in a cell 24 hours a day until the day he dies.
should he be executed? No, you simply do not kill another human no mather what they did. that's a personal opinion and I know alot of people will disagree. But I don't care.
I also know that my vote doesn't count so there is a possibility that he will be executed. In that case, he should be trailed (sp?) by Iraqui people with no influence from other countries. It was their president, they have the right to judge him.
>>Of course if he were to die in a freak "accident" I wouldn't shed a tear.
He's in US hands, they are responsible for him. If an accident would occur, no one on this planet whould believe it was an accident
Accidents can happen after he is handed over to _____ <--insert whoever gets him.
Lat I heard they handed him over to the Egyptians or someone like that. (Heard it briefly on the news about being held in a cell and Egyptians) Saddams fate should be left to his people.
I hope to see him in movies soon.
I picture his ultra-conservative ideals being sharply contrasted by a sassy black woman like Queen Latifah or possibly Beyonce. I also picture audiences showing up in herds.
The future is Saddam!
>>I hope to see him in movies soon.<<
Apparently, he has already signed a 6-figure record deal with Sony. Something about him 'busting rhymes' better than Eminem.
/clap
Nice derail Govtcheez
After being interrogated by the CIA for intelligence, he will be turned over to the Iraqis to be tried. Efforts will be made to ensure that his trial will hold up to international legal scrutiny. Once he is found guilty, he will be executed.
Whatever you'd like to happen, what is listed above is what's going to happen. I'm not one to endorse the death penalty, but I make an exception for this sort of situation. I think someone guilty of crimes against humanity, genocide, or war crimes deserves the most extreme punishment. Also, unlike many death penalty cases in the U.S., I think that the chance of wrongful death is negligable.
The man deserves punishment. The Iraqis deserve justice. Both will get what they deserve thanks to preexisting laws.
>>Apparently, he has already signed a 6-figure record deal with Sony. Something about him 'busting rhymes' better than Eminem.
Are you referring to this?
I voted yes because the question is phrased does he "deserve" to be executed. I feel that prison is too good for him. He didn't give the 300,000 people found in over 250 mass graves (including over 1,200 children) the right to live so why should he be extended that courtesy. Regardless, it should be left to the newly founded Iraqi judicial system to punish him as they see fit after recieving a fair trial and being found guilty of all charges, another courtesy he didn't see fit for "his" people.
He does deserve to be executed, however, like it was said before, if the USA executed him it could make him seem like a martyr to many Arabs.
However, if the Iraqis themselves were to execute him, it might lessen the whole martyr impact.
:rolleyes: Yes the "iraquies" will execute him. :rolleyes: We all know who is really pulling the strings and why a muslim nation will find itself with a non-muslim governing bodie... Ironic how the "iraquies" have already decided they will have the death penalty.
If I ever see you use a rolleyes again, I will ban you.Quote:
Originally posted by ZerOrDie
:rolleyes: Yes the "iraquies" will execute him. :rolleyes: We all know who is really pulling the strings and why a muslim nation will find itself with a non-muslim governing bodie... Ironic how the "iraquies" have already decided they will have the death penalty.
lol, funnyQuote:
Are you referring to this?
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I think we should overthrow Govtcheez :)
My opinion:
he deserves to be executed, but we have no right to do it. We can try him and find him guilty/innocent for his war crimes, but we cannot specify the consequences, only the Kurds can do that. And since they have no organized government, and we can't just pass around questioniarres, i say he be held for life in prison in a neutral country...probably in the middle east, but there is the risk of someone breaking in and pulling him out...so I really can't say specifically what we should do with him.
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would i feel bad if I added a '&& straight' into that if statement?
^^^ lol that was fu-- oh, wait, no it wasn't.^^^
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Would you?Quote:
Originally posted by Silvercord
would i feel bad if I added a '&& straight' into that if statement?
oh sure, answer a freaking question with a question...a question which was rhetorical in the first place! How dare you! *pulls out hair*
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eh, who cares if it makes him a martyr... I voted no because I just don't believe in death penalties... I think it's funny how we can say it's wrong to kill somebody, and then turn around and kill that person in return...
Saddam should be tried in an international court. His crimes were not explicitly toward the U.S.
I really don't think that the U.S. should have the right to go into a country, grab the leader, and then decide what to do with the former leader just because 'that's the way they see fit'. He should be tried in Iraq for crimes against his citizens, other countries, etc.. He will likely end up dead, but then again most ruthless dictators do.
If the U.S. refuses to allow an international court process then it will lose a lot of respect - not for capturing him, but for the attitude of "We can do what we want, so STFU".
they've already lost some respect for that...Quote:
Originally posted by Xei
If the U.S. refuses to allow an international court process then it will lose a lot of respect - not for capturing him, but for the attitude of "We can do what we want, so STFU".
President Bush has already made it clear that he will hand him over to the Iraqis to be tried.
I agree with major_small that it doesn't matter whether Hussein is viewed as a martyr. I would like to point out that Hussein was a secular leader from a minority political party, so even if he was executed, it's unlikely that he will recieve much sympathy from Muslims or many Iraqis. Would it really be so bad if he was seen as a martyr by fundamentalist extremists? Seriously now, they're crazy enough already. I really don't see how getting marginally more crazy will effect anything.
Oh, and as for those who would like to make themselves seem more mature by trying to quell younger members, what is your problem? Surely such extremely mature persons believes in free speech for all :rolleyes: Grow up.
Agreed. If anyone is not willing to discuss this topic with younger people then they can find themselves another board, there are plenty more out there with far more 'politically educated' people to bicker with than here.Quote:
Originally posted by joshdick
Oh, and as for those who would like to make themselves seem more mature by trying to quell younger members, what is your problem? Surely such extremely mature persons believes in free speech for all :rolleyes: Grow up.
I don't think Saddam Hussein deserves to be executed because no one deserves to be executed. Sure, I changed my mind temporarily for the worst of terrorists in the frenzy that followed September 11, but I have returned to my principled position. But I wouldn't be particularly upset if Saddam were executed; there are many, many more people worthy of my sympathy than a despot.
I'd prefer a human rights tribunal be set up in Iraq to deal with this man. Or maybe the Iraqis should judge him using their own laws. Either way, it's important that Saddam Hussein be tried fairly and impartially.
who are we to judge? Has anyone got a source of information other than what the media feeds them?
A good point; however, I think that Saddam's crimes are slightly more obvious.Quote:
Originally posted by Kinasz
who are we to judge? Has anyone got a source of information other than what the media feeds them?
Yeah, I do. I work with several people who were born and raised in Iraq under the rule of this man. I have listened to their stories concerning the tragedies they endured, of the things that they witnessed before escaping to freedom; they would give you nightmares.Quote:
Originally posted by Kinasz
who are we to judge? Has anyone got a source of information other than what the media feeds them?
The morning his capture was first being broadcasted, we were in the office at about 5 A.M preparing for a conference when it came on the T.V. (We usually watch the stock reports). The pure elation of these people was amazing. We're talking about grown men dropping to their knees, sobbing tears of joy that their country is finally free of this man.
That’s all the information I need.
same thought passed through my mind, but this seems to be an open and shut caseQuote:
Originally posted by Kinasz
who are we to judge? Has anyone got a source of information other than what the media feeds them?
don't know, but I think that execution is inhuman no matter how bad the criminal is...
I'm actually surprised that no is in the lead
It's possible that Saddam could be a success on reality TV.
Can Saddam stay on the island in spite of being hated by 90% of the Western World? Tune into Survivor 43: Calgary, to find out!
Yep, he should & will be executed by the Iraqis.
The sooner the better.
after interrogation of course.Quote:
Originally posted by spoon_
Yep, he should & will be executed by the Iraqis.
The sooner the better.
But yes. He should die. He should die a more painful death than he is likely to get. I would like to take a page out of Uday's book of torture and slowly feed him into a wood chipper. Or perhaps he can take a visit to one of the family rape rooms and Bubba can have at him.
Being against the death penalty is kind of a gray area thing. You can be against widespread use of the death penalty. But in special cases, it most definitely should be used.
You don't think being the straight man in an interracial comedy team on the WB or UPN is bad enough?Quote:
Originally posted by FillYourBrain
after interrogation of course.
But yes. He should die. He should die a more painful death than he is likely to get. I would like to take a page out of Uday's book of torture and slowly feed him into a wood chipper. Or perhaps he can take a visit to one of the family rape rooms and Bubba can have at him.
Being against the death penalty is kind of a gray area thing. You can be against widespread use of the death penalty. But in special cases, it most definitely should be used.
You're right; that'd be too cruel.
so we're going to admit to being so bloodthirsty we need to kill somebody to get satisfaction out of that? I thoght we were better than saddam?Quote:
Originally posted by FillYourBrain
Being against the death penalty is kind of a gray area thing. You can be against widespread use of the death penalty. But in special cases, it most definitely should be used.
This is one case where the punishment should definitely fit the crime.Quote:
Originally posted by major_small
so we're going to admit to being so bloodthirsty we need to kill somebody to get satisfaction out of that? I thoght we were better than saddam?
Actually, I don't think any punishment could adaquately fit how atrocious his crimes are. I'm sure they'll give it their best shot, though.Quote:
Originally posted by DISGUISED
This is one case where the punishment should definitely fit the crime.
Death to him will be injustice to the people who have suffered because of him..... Instead keeping him in a jail till his death would be a greater punnishment.. He has to undergo all the humiliation etc etc...
Your probably right. Wasn't that Saddam in the Paris Hilton video? :pQuote:
Originally posted by Govtcheez
It's possible that Saddam could be a success on reality TV.
bloodthirsty, no. Death penalty is a punishment, but it is more than that. It removes an evil person with no remorse from the world. Like I said, if the death penalty is reserved for people who fit the remorseless mass murderer description, how can it be too cruel?Quote:
Originally posted by major_small
so we're going to admit to being so bloodthirsty we need to kill somebody to get satisfaction out of that? I thoght we were better than saddam?
This is one of the silliest arguments. Under this rationale you can eliminate jailing. You might as well not have a legal system.Quote:
Originally posted by Kinasz
who are we to judge...
How do you know that you are not doing them a favour by granting them oblivion?Quote:
Like I said, if the death penalty is reserved for people who fit the remorseless mass murderer description, how can it be too cruel?
oblivion is fine, he's off the planet. The goal is not to make it hurt worse. The goal is to pull the weed, to eliminate the infection.
where is my banana option for the poll?! :mad: ;)
I wish that they would air the execution on live TV, I would take a day off from school and work just to selibrate!
But yes, I do want him executed! Here are some ideas:
1. Deep-fry him on "low"
2. Give Iraqi kids paintball guns and let them shoot Saddam to death.
3. Hang him by the b*lls
4. Put him in a sealed room into which air cant get into and put Saddam in there!
5. Hang him in front of the whole world
6. Hang him by his fingernails
7. Let a snake crawl into his a*s
8. Tigh him up to a F-350 with chains and drag him through streets of Iraq, America, Canada... The whole world.
9. Let everyone in the world pee on him so that he drown in it.
10. Slow shock him to death.
11. Pull out all his teeth - if any
12. Some nasty way
13. Feed him with American food.
14. Shot in the head.
15. Paper cut him and then pure salt on him, add vinegar for flawor.
16. Dress him in Addidas
17. Let him loose
18. Light him on fire.
19. Starve him to death.
20. Eat him alive, I'm sure someone would.
21. Bring him to his knees and slash him to death.
22. Do all the things he did to others
23. Throw bricks at him
24. Suicide bomb him
25. k-9 dogs, set them loose on him
26. Break his neck
27. Give him to the sharks
28. Draw a needle through his heart slowlly.
29. Make Saddam paptarts out of him
30. Put him through meat grinder and feed it him to poor people.
30 is quite humorous. How many poor people could Saddam feed... Anyone happen to know his body weight and the common body-weight / bone-mass ratio?
and yes! We should make a Saddam Reality TV show! It would be awesome. We could have tonnes of survival episodes such as:
"How long can Saddam hold on to the wing of this plane!" - which is hard, I did a static-jump and you can't breathe when hanging on. But it's damn fun.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Liger86
2. Give Iraqi kids paintball guns and let them shoot Saddam to death.
3. Hang him by the b*lls
7. Let a snake crawl into his a*s
10. Slow shock him to death.
12. Some nasty way
13. Feed him with American food.
15. Paper cut him and then pure salt on him, add vinegar for flawor.
16. Dress him in Addidas
17. Let him loose
9 out of 30 wouldn't even kill him. WTF. And half of the rest are just plain stupid.
12 takes the cake tho. :rolleyes:
I always wonder why we don't bring back the guillotine for executions in the US. I mean injection costs a pretty penny and I would think it is a lot more cruel mentally on the person. Beheadings are quick, should cause instant shock so would be mostly painless, and its cheap as heck :)
injection costs nothing compared to the legal process (appeals and junk), and can total into the millions of dollars if it drags on for years, and you guessed it, it's tax payer's $.
So why not try to cut costs when possible :D
how? by not going through the appeal's process? Maybe with saddam we could do that, and maybe a few other open and shut cases such as with mcveigh, but appeals are necessary if you're ass is put on trial, you're condemned to be executed, and you didn't do it...even with the appeals process innocent people get executed (and proved innocent later when the real murderers come forward and dna evidence comes into play)
a good reason to not have the death penalty...Quote:
innocent people get executed
it certainly is probably one of the worst things that can happen to you (getting executed for something you did not do). On the other hand, people that haven't had a family member killed are out of place saying the death penalty is bad...the death penalty IS revenge, and it's all the family members will get...that's basically the only reason why Im not completely against it
So by getting revenge against the killer by killing him, is the family any better than the murderer?
you're completely missing the point dude...the point is you wouldn't be arguing against the death penalty if I kidnapped, raped, and dismembered your younger sister and then dumped her body parts on your front lawn...
I still wouldn't go for the death penalty... he's right that having the death penalty just says "we say it's wrong to kill, so because you kill, we can kill too..." it goes against the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" ideal everybody's taught as a kid. I would want life in jail for you, but having you dead wouldn't make me feel any better... after the "we're happy we got revenge" feeling is over, you won't feel any better that your sister is dead... and his family will have to deal with the loss too... is that fair that you drag that person's family into it?Quote:
Originally posted by Silvercord
you're completely missing the point dude...the point is you wouldn't be arguing against the death penalty if I kidnapped, raped, and dismembered your younger sister and then dumped her body parts on your front lawn...
idk... for some reason i found this one really funnyQuote:
Originally posted by Liger86
24. Suicide bomb him
Actually you can still have jails under that rational. Jails would serve the purpose of protecting society from people whose behavior threaten it. Although that rational would eliminate alot of crimes that would normally get one jail time.Quote:
Under this rationale you can eliminate jailing. You might as well not have a legal system.
Ive thought long and hard about that and I think I could.Quote:
you're completely missing the point dude...the point is you wouldn't be arguing against the death penalty if I kidnapped, raped, and dismembered your younger sister and then dumped her body parts on your front lawn...
This reminds me of a star trek episode...Where they go to a planet where the only punishment for a crime is death. Seemed to work well too (it was pretty much paradise, until poor wesley stepped on the flowers)
But I think that we "should not be so quick to deal out death and judgement..." In my opinion, it would be just as good revenge if you don't kill them but make them live in jail until they eventually die anyway...Provided jail ruins the rest of their life anyway. In that case, if someone was innocent, they might at least be able to get their life back...
^ oh come on, give them some credit... he did break the greenhouse thing, after all... :rolleyes:
No, buy cutting the cost of actually offing them. Granted the savings would be that much but I think its a lot humane then spending 30 some minutes strapping someone to a table, sticking them with needles, and then finally getting on with it.Quote:
how? by not going through the appeal's process?
nah, just throw him to Mars (first human guinea pig / test subject).
Waste of money.Quote:
Originally posted by Wraith_Master
nah, just throw him to Mars (first human guinea pig / test subject).
But as I said in my previous post (you may recall) - "deepfry him on low", so it is slow and painfull!
I wasnt aware of any legal systems consisting of a bunch of programmers chatting in a forum.Quote:
This is one of the silliest arguments. Under this rationale you can eliminate jailing. You might as well not have a legal system.
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One more thought: Feed Saddam with Jewish food!
What?Quote:
Originally posted by Liger86
One more thought: Feed Saddam with Jewish food!
You obviously haven't been watching enough FOX News lately. :pQuote:
Originally posted by Kinasz
I wasnt aware of any legal systems consisting of a bunch of programmers chatting in a forum.