Does anyone here work or did work in a school, and are familiar with the policys? I want to ask some questions via private messaging.
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Does anyone here work or did work in a school, and are familiar with the policys? I want to ask some questions via private messaging.
I currently work in my major department at school.
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ZakkWylde969 wrote on 12-08-2003 07:05 AM:
Hey, I have some questions about school policys to returing students. If someone were to be suspended there freshman year (for drugs) and return to school there sophomore year, what does the school do to him? Do they do random drug tests in the year? Can they do suspicionless tests/searches? Pretty much, I can't really get an answer from a teacher and I want to know. Thanks
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lollertastic. A school can do a random search or your locker (and I think backpack) whenever they want. Maybe even your person, but I'm not all that sure.
dude, if that was his private message to you, then you are being a dickhead. If he wanted this info for everyone to read he would include it in his original post. The guys is an idiot, but you should still respect him.Quote:
Originally posted by CompiledMonkey
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Obviously you can see I don't give a $$$$. If he's the type of person that is into drugs and get kicked out of school for it, he deserves it.Quote:
Originally posted by axon
dude, if that was his private message to you, then you are being a dickhead. If he wanted this info for everyone to read he would include it in his original post. The guys is an idiot, but you should still respect him.
There is one big factor in it all... Is it highschool or collage? If they want to search my bag they had better have probable cause or a warrent.
But if you're in highschool, well bend over and take it :D
It just depends on what you believe is right. Its really not a big deal, but the guys intrusted somthing with you and here you go spilling it all oer the board
collage, ha....Quote:
Originally posted by Thantos
There is one big factor in it all... Is it highschool or collage? If they want to search my bag they had better have probable cause or a warrent.
But if you're in highschool, well bend over and take it :D
Seriously though I don't think you have a choice. "Collage" or highschool.
Must not be too important if he's sharing with a complete stranger over the Internet.Quote:
Originally posted by axon
It just depends on what you believe is right. Its really not a big deal, but the guys intrusted somthing with you and here you go spilling it all oer the board
well, thats why I called him an idiot in my original reply
He probably thought one complete stranger is better than a few hundred.
I hate people that do drugs too, but yeah, you probably should have respected his privacy wishes.
Honestly I do think it was being an ass to post private (hence private) messages over the web to others, but if you want to know then I'm not embarrased to tell. Yeah. I got in trouble for that stuff last year. I still do it on occasion with friends. What do I do? Pot. Thats it. So if you want to be a prick then go ahead. I can't stop a complete ass hole stranger across the web. If you don't want to answer my questions then don't bother. You look more like an ass than I do.]
Edit: And it's not like I'm the only one here who uses. Many others have mentioned doing that stuff too.
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I'm the type that likes to be in control of what I'm doing and to a degree, what's happening to me. To that end I stay well away from drugs, except alcohol.
If you want to smoke pot and increase the likelyhood of mental illness in later life then...go for it.
I didn't ask for a lecture. I'm well aware of all the risks (very few might I add). If you don't want to answer my questions don't bother posting.
Marijuana is not the wonderous side-effectless drug people make it out to be. If it was it would be legal.
Anyway the answer to your question is YES they can search your locker etc. without your or your parents' consent.
thats BS, i hate the school system..
Not really, that's something you agree to when you sign all those forms.
Anyway I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they can.
They practically fource you to sign the forms, i dont think they should be allowed to do that.
allowed to do what exactly? do you think it is OK for high school kids to be bringing and smoking weed in school? If you do then something is not right with you. I hope I'm misunderstanding you.Quote:
Originally posted by 1veedo
They practically fource you to sign the forms, i dont think they should be allowed to do that.
You have a choice in collage. But if you don't allow them to search then they have the choice to deny you admitance to the school. Since most collages in my area have police departments its pretty easy for them to remove you. But its still a choice.Quote:
collage, ha....
Seriously though I don't think you have a choice. "Collage" or highschool.
There are quite a few places it's legal. I'm really more interested in the drug testing aspect of this. I don't bring things to school, because thats stupid.Quote:
Originally posted by HybridM
Marijuana is not the wonderous side-effectless drug people make it out to be. If it was it would be legal.
Anyway the answer to your question is YES they can search your locker etc. without your or your parents' consent.
(The background of me getting suspended, is because I took a ride with a friend to school and he had stuff in his car and we got searched when we arrived. Although I didn't know about it I was doing pot on weekends)
from what I know about the procedures in my high school is that your high school can't request drug testing themselves. They could probably be a big influence if you ever been or will be in court. You can get on probabtion (not school but law) that you will have to ........ in a cup every week. The ceverity of the punishment here will be much bigger then just being expelled from high school.
I really don't want to lecture here, but if pot has cause so much trouble for you why not just stop dude....at least stop til you graduate high school, you're only a fscking sophmore dude!
Well it was only one incident, and again not really my fault. I find the rewards to be something worthwhile. My grades haven't sufffered at all since I've used. I'm still an A B student.
>>I find the rewards to be something worthwhile.
rewards? I think you are giving weed too much credit, lol. I don't smoke pot but I drink - a lot. I don't consider a buzz a rewrd though....more like a pretty hilerious experiance.
I don't give 2 $$$$s about anything that was said... I just need to point something out:
It is spelled c-o-l-l-E-g-e.... not collage. Damn... i don't mean to be so anal about spelling lately... but get a clue people.
Heh, sorry but a little sick today so brain not working 100%.
>thats BS, i hate the school system..
I wouldn't call it BS. They are not your lockers, they are the schools. They simply "lend" them to you for the school year and let you put your books in them. They can search them any time they want.
Personally I don't think some of you should be so hard on ZakkWylde969.
I am strongly against drugs, however, I knew quite a lot of people who did drugs in my high school. Many of them were cool guys. Just because they have made a few choices that could hurt their health in the long run does not make someone a bad person, although I do not agree with the choice.
Best advice is keep the drugs WELL away from the school and you'll be fine.
Hey Hybrid I'd love for you to post a link backing up what you said about marijuana, kthx.
Hell, I'll just skip a step. There is no credible study that does. Why? Nobody CAN test it. The only thing they know for sure is that SMOKING it is bad for you. Smoking anything is bad for you in the same respect.
I don't do anything but occasionally drink, but I can't stand people who are so grossly uninformed. Marijuana should be legal, but there's such a social stigma that it's still condemned without real proof.
Also, chris is an ass, but who didn't know that already?
For Ken-
Q: What does marijuana do to the brain?
A: Some studies show that when people have smoked large amounts of marijuana for years, the drug takes its toll on mental functions (4). Heavy or daily use of marijuana affects the parts of the brain that control memory, attention, and learning. A working short-term memory is needed to learn and perform tasks that call for more than one or two steps.
Smoking marijuana causes some changes in the brain that are like those caused by cocaine, heroin, and alcohol. Scientists are still learning about the many ways that marijuana can affect the brain.
Oh, the link.
so does drinking, and I dont see anyone here outcrying against drinking. It should be legalized but regulated like tobacco and alcohol so kids can't get into it. in closing: If you enjoy it, use it.Quote:
Q: What does marijuana do to the brain?
A: Some studies show that when people have smoked large amounts of marijuana for years, the drug takes its toll on mental functions (4). Heavy or daily use of marijuana affects the parts of the brain that control memory, attention, and learning. A working short-term memory is needed to learn and perform tasks that call for more than one or two steps.
There is no misinformation here ken.
http://www.newscientist.com/hottopic...izophrenia.jsp
I can not think of a more reputable source than New Scientist.
From the New Scientist article: "The overall weight of evidence is that occasional use of cannabis has few harmful effects overall"
So basically, there's a weak correlation that people who are genetically predisposed to schizophrenia might increase that risk by smoking. That's not much of a reason to keep it illegal, if you ask me.
Please, if you will, rationalize why Marijuana should stay illegal. That's really what I wanted to hear - why do you think it should be illegal? Why do you care what people do recreationally if it doesn't harm anyone? How is Marijuana worse for you than 90% of what's out there?
Also, Fountain, I wouldn't trust what an anti-drug institute has to say about things. I realize it lists individual studies when you click that (4), but I'd have to read those completely in context to really see.
It's not worse than 90% of what's out there.
I have a problem with it because it's self destructive, and alltogether pointless.
It should stay illegal because it is proven to have detrimental effects to health, whether that's only with daily use or not, you can't regulate how often someone does something that is legal.
I think smoking should be illegal too for the same reasons.
If people had been aware of the risks of smoking it would never have been legalised. Drinking alcohol is proven to have some health benefits.
>>It's not worse than 90% of what's out there.
Made up a number. A number of presription drugs can have awful side effects, alcohol turns your liver to swiss cheese, and cigarettes give you lung cancer and more. All are legal.
>>I have a problem with it because it's self destructive, and alltogether pointless.
So are a lot of things. Skydiving is pointless. Let's make it illegal.
>>It should stay illegal because it is proven to have detrimental effects to health, whether that's only with daily use or not, you can't regulate how often someone does something that is legal.<<
The government could heavily regulate it if it so chooses. Also, I would say its detrimental effects are completely unproven as of now.
>>If people had been aware of the risks of smoking it would never have been legalised.<<
The government could make it illegal at any time. It doesn't, though.
>>Drinking alcohol is proven to have some health benefits.
Here's a gigantic hole in your logic. Before you said that you thought marijuana should stay illegal because it "has detrimental effects to health" - so does Alcohol. And its benefits to health are incredibly minimal. Here's a list of marijuana's positive aspects: regulating the appetite, treating glaucoma, treating multiple sclerosis, treating Tourette's syndrome, treating Parkinson's Disease, treating Alzheimer's, controlling nausea in chemo patients, treating arthritis, anxiety relief, pain relief, its neuroprotective effects, and even treating cancer and inhibiting tumors.
So the question now becomes: When does something's benefits outweigh the negative aspects?
The government wouldn't make smoking illegal, unless they have some sort of death wish. There is no way they'd win the next election doing that, there are too many smokers. Here in Aus smoking is now illegal in all eating areas and has recently become illegal in pubs. It is still legal in gaming areas (pokies) though.
The US government also made Alcohol illegal once, and that worked wonderfully. Once you mke a drug legal there is little going back, which is why more research should be done, and until more is known it should stay illegal.
If marijuana can treat all those illnesses I don't have a problem with it becoming prescription only, but it's only a stop gap at best. The NSW premier here in Aus tried to get a prescription only trial up and running but it was quickly knocked down.
As for sky diving well, I'd hardly call that self destructive unless you do it without a chute. :)
And the last alcohol health benifits I was aware of were back during the Civil War era (Before strong pain killers). They used to drunken someone before surgery. Now there is no use for alcohol. It destroys your liver. Pot can mess with your lungs. We all know that. The usage of a water pipe eliminates 99% of that risk meaning it would take a lot of usage to equil to a cigarrette. With that said there is no proven hard evidence linking marijuana to brain disorders. Also if you havent realised yet, I wanted to do that via private messaging to as to NOT irritate moderators, since this isn't really a good thread for the board.
Shut up. You shouldn't have had any illegal substance at school, and I'm glad you were suspended. Also, there are slight benefits to your heart from alcohol.Quote:
Originally posted by ZakkWylde969
And the last alcohol health benifits I was aware of were back during the Civil War era (Before strong pain killers). They used to drunken someone before surgery. Now there is no use for alcohol. It destroys your liver. Pot can mess with your lungs. We all know that. The usage of a water pipe eliminates 99% of that risk meaning it would take a lot of usage to equil to a cigarrette. With that said there is no proven hard evidence linking marijuana to brain disorders. Also if you havent realised yet, I wanted to do that via private messaging to as to NOT irritate moderators, since this isn't really a good thread for the board.
>>The government wouldn't make smoking illegal, unless they have some sort of death wish. There is no way they'd win the next election doing that, there are too many smokers. Here in Aus smoking is now illegal in all eating areas and has recently become illegal in pubs. It is still legal in gaming areas (pokies) though.<<
Same here, I think it's a fine idea because smoke really sucks as a smell.
>>As for sky diving well, I'd hardly call that self destructive unless you do it without a chute.
I'll bet chute failure rate is about the same as the rate of mental illness derived from usage of marijuana. I'd hardly call marijuana use self-destructive either.
>>If marijuana can treat all those illnesses I don't have a problem with it becoming prescription only, but it's only a stop gap at best. The NSW premier here in Aus tried to get a prescription only trial up and running but it was quickly knocked down.<<
Like I said, people are grossly uninformed about things. They just hear the word "drug" and jump all over it. Also, I don't see why it should be perscription only - I think it should be only sold to people after a certain age, like Alcohol. But then again I also whole-heartedly support a reduced age limit for alcohol consumption. All the current law does is increase alcohol abuse.
>>The US government also made Alcohol illegal once, and that worked wonderfully.
No it didn't. It was one of the worst social experiments ever. Unless you were being sarcastic - I'm not sure.
>>which is why more research should be done, and until more is known it should stay illegal.
Eh, that's a grey area with me.
Yes I was being sarcastic. The point was that once you've legalised something you've got no chance, or very little chance, of banning it again.Quote:
No it didn't. It was one of the worst social experiments ever. Unless you were being sarcastic - I'm not sure.
It's impossible to test out every possible outcome of ingesting marijuana in some form, so all I'm saying is do a few years (3? 4?) of studies, see what comes up, weigh its potential harm against its potential good, then legalize it or not based on that. Don't just go "lol drugs r bad" and make it illegal.
Now I'm more interested in why you feel the need to protect people from themselves, though. Darwinism is :cool:.
People can be verry stupid.. Say for instane the school board, they defonantly need protection from themselvs! But I do agree with you, if they want to harm themselvs why not let them? As long as they don't harm anyone or anything else... O, wait...
Somehow that sounds like a myth to me...Let's see some proofQuote:
The usage of a water pipe eliminates 99% of that risk meaning it would take a lot of usage to equil to a cigarrette.
I can't see how it is possibly good to be smoking marijuana at your age. Not only could it cause brain disorders (possibly because you are still developing), but it also contributes to violent behavior and depression...As if teen suicide wasn't bad enough.
That said, I almost completely agree with Ken (especially the Darwinism part :D), but before we change anything we need to know what its side effects are...
I said that. Do trials. Don't just legalise it or you could end up with something like what happened with cigarettes.Quote:
so all I'm saying is do a few years (3? 4?) of studies, see what comes up...
I have a cold I can't put up a good argument at the moment.
Search around for water pipes on google. They Eliminate 98 to 99% of tar and the sort coming from cigarretes.Quote:
Originally posted by JaWiB
Somehow that sounds like a myth to me...Let's see some proof
I can't see how it is possibly good to be smoking marijuana at your age. Not only could it cause brain disorders (possibly because you are still developing), but it also contributes to violent behavior and depression...As if teen suicide wasn't bad enough.
That said, I almost completely agree with Ken (especially the Darwinism part :D), but before we change anything we need to know what its side effects are...
>>Search around for water pipes on google.
Also known as bongs.
Quite frankly I don't. As long as you don't expect sympathy or money from me, you can do all the drugs you like. Just don't expect me to have anything to do with you.Quote:
Now I'm more interested in why you feel the need to protect people from themselves, though. Darwinism is :cool:.
Drug use often effects more people than just the user anyway, crack $$$$$s and heroine addicts had families too, once. :D
Don't forget the car accidents and violence related to drug use
Other than the reasons listed here, I am not an expert but here goes.
It costs money, money better spent on other forms of entertainment.
It makes you produce dopamine falsely, which makes you addicted and you don't have much fun doing anything else besides smoke so it would be pretty hard to occasionally smoke and not get the side affects.
It dosn't really help in any way other than give you a buzz, but it has negative affects so that seems like only bad to me when there are many other forms of entertainment available without harmful side affects.
I think we should make ciggaretes and beer illegal if marijuana is, we simply educate people better in school(especially cigarretes, people at my school smoke worse than many adults I know that have horrible smoking problems.).
Our country seemingly has a lot of problems that we need to solve by better educating(population is a biggie) but with students going off and smoking and not caring about much anything else then theres not much of a point is there?
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Originally posted by Glirk Dient
Other than the reasons listed here, I am not an expert but here goes.
It costs money, money better spent on other forms of entertainment.
It makes you produce dopamine falsely, which makes you addicted and you don't have much fun doing anything else besides smoke so it would be pretty hard to occasionally smoke and not get the side affects.
It dosn't really help in any way other than give you a buzz, but it has negative affects so that seems like only bad to me when there are many other forms of entertainment available without harmful side affects.
I think we should make ciggaretes and beer illegal if marijuana is, we simply educate people better in school(especially cigarretes, people at my school smoke worse than many adults I know that have horrible smoking problems.).
Our country seemingly has a lot of problems that we need to solve by better educating(population is a biggie) but with students going off and smoking and not caring about much anything else then theres not much of a point is there?
:D
>>Marijuana should be legal, but there's such a social stigma that it's still condemned without real proof.<<
If they make pot legal what will all the drug dealers do? Get a $300 per week job at Wal Mart? No they will sell worse drugs or turn to other crime.
You have to decriminalise all drugs. Put he distribution in the hands of doctors and use the taxes (and savings from law enforcement) to pay for counselling and rehabilitation.
Drug addiction is a disease not a crime.
>>It should stay illegal because it is proven to have detrimental effects to health,<<
There has never been a recorded death due to pot overdose in Australia. How many die from alcohol?
Try looking up the numbers of people who die from tobacco or alcohol.
Why are these drugs legal?
>>It is still legal in gaming areas (pokies) though.<<
Depends on which state. The only pokies in WA are non smoking.
Why? Because the govt. makes billions from gaming revenue. Studies have found the break that going outside away from the machine gives the punter more chance to realise how much they have lost. Gaming revenue dropped nearly 35% in non smoking venues. (I worked for the only fully non smoking casino while it changed from fully smoking to non smoking, Burswood. It was only changed due to govt. regulation and the threat of employees litigation for passive smoking.)
[BTW by Aust. govt. regulation $0.63 is kept by a pokie from each $1.00 inserted.]
>>The NSW premier here in Aus tried to get a prescription only trial up and running but it was quickly knocked down.<<
That was a heroin trial (not pot).
Carr also started the only legal heroin injection room.
Pot is decriminalised in SA, NT and soon in WA.
>>The usage of a water pipe eliminates 99% of that risk meaning it would take a lot of usage to equil to a cigarrette.<<
LOL!
Got a link 'cause that is an old wives tale.
Pot has higher levels of carcinogens and is inhaled deeper than cig smoke.
Not to mention the water vapour you are inhaling (changed it lately?)
It's common sence. The hot smoke travels through a body of water. The water not only cools it off, it acts like a filter. It's simple science.
Hell, it is not a drop in the ocean compared to smoking duty imposed in UK. Thats why smoking is legal.Quote:
Why? Because the govt. makes billions from gaming revenue
I think we should just drop this. I didn't want to ........ off any moderators, and if we keep this up they will get mad. So mods can go ahead and close this. I'm odviously not going to get an answer.
I agree, people have been arguing about legalizing weed for decades. Us arguing here won't help anyone but just waste time and effort.
Same with alcoholics. Is alcohol illegal? Personally I believe in the legalization of pot even though I don't do any drugs. Who are you to say what someone can and can't do with their lives, especially if they do not hurt anyone else? If they smoke weed and drive, then it should be punished like DUIs. A person who is high should have the same responsibilites as a person is not high, but we shouldn't be telling people that they can't get high.Quote:
Originally posted by HybridM
Drug use often effects more people than just the user anyway, crack $$$$$s and heroine addicts had families too, once.
They can search your locker. If you bag happens to be in there, it's fair game. Else, if the bag is on you, they can't touch it w/out a search warrant. But, if the school is evacuated for some emergency (i.e. bomb threat, fire, etc.) and rooms are searched if your bag has something in it, I think they can confiscate it and prosecute you.Quote:
Originally posted by -KEN-
lollertastic. A school can do a random search or your locker (and I think backpack) whenever they want. Maybe even your person, but I'm not all that sure.