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I have always wondered whether or not games such as SOCOM Navy Seals, Rainbow Six or other games where you play special forces.. if the people performing these jobs in real life are either excited by it.. irritated... happy.. I just want to know what the general feeling from the people in special forces in regards to video games about special forces.
Well if I were a Navy Seal and a game was very unrealistic I would be a little upset I guess. However, I read an article saying that when SOCOM was being developed they had actual Navy Seals shooting guns for sound effects and helping them with some different aspects. So I hear it's pretty accurate as far as that goes. I'm not sure about the other games though.
I would hate to think that we would produce a genre of games that irritates the very people who protect our country. After all what they do is nothing to take lightly.
games romanticize the jobs, the real guys probably just think that the kids playing have absolutely no clue what it's really like being a seal or swat member. the real jobs are probably hell. the book rainbow six seems pretty realistic in terms of how they describe training and the actual take downs, but it's like 700 pages (i've read it twice i think)
Howdy,
You have got to be fuc*ing kidding me, HAHAHAHAQuote:
I would hate to think that we would produce a genre of games that irritates the very people who protect our country. After all what they do is nothing to take lightly.
lighten up dude.
Richard Petty isn't ........ed about the NASCAR game
Michael Jordan isn't ........ed about the NBA game
Romo isn't ........ed about the NFL game
they are just GAMES thats it they have very little to do with the real thing.
M.R.
Every US navy battle ship is equiped with xbox and ps2 gaming consoles. Shipmates LOVE to spend off hours playing games of all sorts, including tactical shooters. I got this info from... A marine! every body "oooo" and "ahhhh" now.
Shut up.Quote:
Originally posted by BillBoeBaggins
I would hate to think that we would produce a genre of games that irritates the very people who protect our country. After all what they do is nothing to take lightly.
The US military spends (your) tax dollars on Xboxes and PS2s? Let them make do with SNESes and Super Mario Kart, that's what I say! :pQuote:
Originally posted by dbgt goten
Every US navy battle ship is equiped with xbox and ps2 gaming consoles. Shipmates LOVE to spend off hours playing games of all sorts, including tactical shooters. I got this info from... A marine! every body "oooo" and "ahhhh" now.
The us military spends (MY) tax dollars on Xboxes and PS2's to keep the people who PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE to PROTECT MY COUNTRIES FREEDOM(and steal oil from other countries[yippe]) a little amused when they are away from home and families. Big deal, thats what i say.Quote:
Originally posted by SMurf
The US military spends (your) tax dollars on Xboxes and PS2s? Let them make do with SNESes and Super Mario Kart, that's what I say! :p
Howdy,
alot of prisons have them as well, can't let the convicts get bored ya know. Your liberal tax $$$ at work.Quote:
Every US navy battle ship is equiped with xbox and ps2 gaming consoles
M.R.
Hey, if it keeps them from shanking each other, that's cool with me.Quote:
Originally posted by itld
Howdy,
alot of prisons have them as well, can't let the convicts get bored ya know. Your liberal tax $$$ at work.
M.R.
But if they kill each other off then we don't have to spend as much money keeping them there ;)Quote:
Hey, if it keeps them from shanking each other, that's cool with me.
And yes I'm kidding
But think of all the extra paperwork. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Thantos
But if they kill each other off then we don't have to spend as much money keeping them there ;)
And yes I'm kidding
cost of paperwork < (cost of food + cost of appeals + cost of caring + cost of guards + ...)
:)
Silvercord:
I understand that, I just was wondering if anyone had any other thoughts or if there just happened to be a special forces guy on the boards :)
itld:
It was just a thought, not something I was losing sleep over.
Plus, I am sorry but I don't prize those peoples skills over people that have to operate in a pinch with no time outs or safety crews.
xei:
Your intelligence surpasses all others...
Why care about how they feel?Quote:
Originally posted by BillBoeBaggins
Silvercord:
I understand that, I just was wondering if anyone had any other thoughts or if there just happened to be a special forces guy on the boards :)
itld:
It was just a thought, not something I was losing sleep over.
Plus, I am sorry but I don't prize those peoples skills over people that have to operate in a pinch with no time outs or safety crews.
xei:
Your intelligence surpasses all others...
Why not take their job lightly? Their job is just like any other. They do what they are told, they get a nice paycheck and they get a pension. They don't deserve praise or worship and they sure as hell don't deserve to be asked whether or not a game insults them.
All of these games are completely unrealistic. Tom Clancy is full of himself and truly has no clue. Hollywood gives you all impressions that your 'oh so wonderful' army is the best army in the world and that the CIA knows everything and is almighty. Society has created an illusion: Where the army stops terrorists from world destruction every day and the CIA monitors and knows everything. They don't stop terrorists every day, the CIA doesn't know a thing, and your army isn't as proud as your TV tells you it is. But Tom Clancy will keep making millions,TV will keep showing you helicoptors & people running and shooting guns and then talk about "We're proud americans, we're a team. Join our team. blah blah BS", and hollywood will reinforce the illusion that you all believe in.
Well if you are from Canada, next time you run into an American Soldier you can say "Thank You", since you being on our border protects you more then you know or are willing to admit.
lolQuote:
Originally posted by BillBoeBaggins
Well if you are from Canada, next time you run into an American Soldier you can say "Thank You", since you being on our border protects you more then you know or are willing to admit.
My last post was not disputing our relation to the U.S. But since you brought it up I will admit that Canada doesn't spend much money on its military and being next to the U.S. is probably a wonderful thing incase if we ever get into a war.
Never the less, american(Canadian included) society still lives in that illusion. The U.S. army is not all 'touch and go', save the world, etc.. Your government does not have millions of spy planes and satellites around the world, knowing everything that happens; it also does not monitor everything on the internet like some people think; and they don't have lasers in orbit to protect you from nuclear bombs. In fact, most of the things that your media tells you in regards to technology is completely inaccurate.
Except that their job directly protects us. If you're not grateful for that, you're a fool.Quote:
Originally posted by Xei
Why not take their job lightly? Their job is just like any other. They do what they are told, they get a nice paycheck and they get a pension. They don't deserve praise or worship and they sure as hell don't deserve to be asked whether or not a game insults them.
>>the book rainbow six<<
That was SUCH a good book. It was quite long but I just couldn't put it down. The part where the child gets executed in the fairground had my body frozen, it was so well written. I have read a couple of Clancy books since then and unfortunately I don't think they nearly measure up to it.
I don't know if grateful is the word that I would use. A military is not a gift from the government, it's something that is needed in the world at this stage. I am grateful for the people who gave their lives in the wars, if that's what you mean. However, it is also their job. They know the conditions which they applied under and they are taken well care of because of it.Quote:
Originally posted by Govtcheez
Except that their job directly protects us. If you're not grateful for that, you're a fool.
Yes, they do directly protect us... but if they become insulted because of a game I wouldn't care. I would side with the game producer before some cry-baby from the army.
Also, I don't think anyone from the army is insulted by these games. They probably look at how unrealistic they are and laugh. But in the event that a game producer does get a letter from someone in the army complaining at how he feels insulted (which wouldn't happen, or at least wouldn't reach the public) I really couldn't care less about his feelings, and neither should any of you.
Plus, these games practically praise the army anyway.
They make it look as though their jobs are the most important jobs in the world and that they kill terrorists & bad people who threaten life every day.... which is not what the army actually does. Army's also help out other countries and help out from natural disasters. Killing people is the one thing that militaries do the least of.
Games are for entertainment. The fact is that people would rather shoot others (in a game) than move a character back and forth moving sand-bags.
yeah, when i play a game i want toQuote:
Games are for entertainment. The fact is that people would rather shoot others (in a game) than move a character back and forth moving sand-bags
1) turn my mind off
2) shoot stuff
i absolutely hate people that actually waste thought and energy playing games (strategy games), games should be for the end of the day when you've turned your mind off
Howdy,
Well Xei I'm glad you have enlighened me as to the state of Americas military and intelligence comunities. Without brilliant minds like your I would surely live in a total vacuum. In fact I'm going to call the pentagon right now and let them know they have no technology nor any capabilities to kick the sh!t out of any military on this planet.
M.R.
I think someone on the Cboard would know what's going on, to a sertan extent your right - not millions, not everything. I never eaven heard we had nuclear mislle shooting satilights.. Those 'some people' are gullible morons. I'm not ethnocentric but the US does have alot of power :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Xei
...like some people think...In fact, most of the things that your media tells you in regards to technology is completely inaccurate.
as a side note I met the colonel in charge of developing america's army (that free computer game designed to show what it's really like to be in the military)
The satellites were from the Star Wars project that was created and subsequently died in the '80s without succeeding.Quote:
Originally posted by 1veedo
I think someone on the Cboard would know what's going on, to a sertan extent your right - not millions, not everything. I never eaven heard we had nuclear mislle shooting satilights.. Those 'some people' are gullible morons. I'm not ethnocentric but the US does have alot of power :rolleyes:
I thought the U.S. military and the soldiers who have submitted their independent lifestyle to serve it would be glad that a computer game is glorifying the use of war as a legitimate political strategy. I agree with Michael Moore's assertion in Bowling for Columbine that American culture promotes violence too much.
Except when the performance of their job actually makes us less safe. Americans have been less safe in many countries since the invasion of Iraq; and, within the United States, it can be suggested that Americans are also less safe because this invasion has provoked more potential terrorists.Quote:
Originally posted by Govtcheez
Except that their job directly protects us. If you're not grateful for that, you're a fool.
UnregdRegd those decisions are not their's to make. The military doing their job does make us safer, the politicans making bad decisions make us unsafe.
Howdy,
Exactly Thantos, I couldn't have said it better my self!
M.R.
of course thantos would say that he's a military nut
because you know invading countries on false pretences and ........ing people off sure makes me feel safer
I want to see a game about The US Army School of Americas (SOA), based in Fort Benning, Georgia. Now called the 'Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation' (WHISC).
It has trained interesting people like Manuel Noriega, Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtieri and Roberto Viola of Argentina, Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru, Guillermo Rodriguez of Ecuador, and Hugo Banzer Suarez of Bolivia.
>>UnregdRegd those decisions are not their's to make. The military doing their job does make us safer, the politicans making bad decisions make us unsafe.<<
And what are you going to do about it?
According to the plan (by Rumsfelt and Wolfowizz) there should only be 30,000 troops in Iraq now. There is still over 130,000 US troops there. More are needed but are unavailable.
Of course the rest of the world (the UN) is keen to send more troops after the US respected our opinion as to the urgency and legitimacy of the war.
When will we find the WMD ready to be used in 45 minutes?
If they existed they are;
Still in Iraq, very well hidden (and so not able to be used quickly, nor were they used, why?)
OR
In the hands of some other regime or terrorist organisation. (the very thing the war was to stop)
Freedom fries for all!
I'll do the only thing I can do, vote.Quote:
And what are you going to do about it?
Freedom fries suck. They taste the same as normal 'fries'. (Because we can use deductive reasoning to determine that 'freedom fries', 'french fries', and 'fries' are all made the same)Quote:
Freedom fries for all!
Is it just me or does anyone else wonder about a country whos' citizens demand the right to bear arms, in case the state milita needs them, then invade other countries who try to arm themselves?
That is, when the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan settles down will all Iraqiis and Afghaniis be given the same rights as Americans to own guns?
Their is a large difference between the weapons the citizenry of Iraq have to carry around verses American citizens.. namely... AK 47's, other automatice weapons, and RPG's.. not exactly common on the streets of the US.
The right to bear arms is very much ingrained into our history and what makes us what we are today.
In the United States, in the year 2000 there were 28663 fire-arm related deaths. 16586 Were suicides, 11071 were homicides and 1006 were undetermined/unintentional.Quote:
Originally posted by BillBoeBaggins
Their is a large difference between the weapons the citizenry of Iraq have to carry around verses American citizens.. namely... AK 47's, other automatice weapons, and RPG's.. not exactly common on the streets of the US.
The right to bear arms is very much ingrained into our history and what makes us what we are today.
In 1998(Gun related deaths):
4 people in New Zealand
19 in Japan
54 in England and Wales
57 in Australia
66 in Switzerland
151 in Canada
373 in Germany
11,798 in America
:rolleyes:Oh, but who am I to judge another society's culture. . .:rolleyes:
The Afghan Citizens do not need guns and neither does the Citizens of the United States. You do not need them to protect yourselves: There will be no war in your backyard - And don't give me this "we have to protect ourselves from the terrorists" BS or "We have firearms to protect our freedom!".
And why should they only be allowed to carry guns that are common to the U.S.? Since it is so OBVIOUS that the United States Citizens can control their gun-issue's then why can't Afghans' carry AK-47's? They are just as responsible as you Americans when it comes to firearms. . .
I AM UNSUBSCRIBING TO THIS POST.
This has went way off course of my original question. I don't particularly want to spend the time to argue the merits of different societies. Words are just words and change nothing.
XEI YOU SOB I'LL SHOOT YOU!!! AHHH!!
...anyways we have allowed people to have guns because when we made the constitution we wanted people to feel secure that the government wouldnt attack people, so they were allowed. But today we DEFINATELY don't need guns, only reason is to protect outselves from some insane guy that's going on a shooting rampage and I haven't heard of too many cases of that.
Legalizing guns means people may be scared to rob a store because they don't know who else has a gun, but instead of the clerk giving the money a person will pull out a gun and possibly shoot him or both get shot.
Christ, you're stupid. Please stop posting.Quote:
Originally posted by Glirk Dient
XEI YOU SOB I'LL SHOOT YOU!!! AHHH!!
...anyways we have allowed people to have guns because when we made the constitution we wanted people to feel secure that the government wouldnt attack people, so they were allowed. But today we DEFINATELY don't need guns, only reason is to protect outselves from some insane guy that's going on a shooting rampage and I haven't heard of too many cases of that.
Legalizing guns means people may be scared to rob a store because they don't know who else has a gun, but instead of the clerk giving the money a person will pull out a gun and possibly shoot him or both get shot.
People had guns before the constitution, they were called minuitmen - a malitia formed by the first contenental congeress. They had wepons to fight in emergincies(Concord.. Bunker Hill). The reason they had guns wasn't to feel secue that they would be attacked by the government, they were acentually the first American army. Except they weren't verry formal(they were colonists that signed up for the malitia), if they were notified to fight they just sortof came and shot at anything red... The reason they made it a right was for the same reason.. to protect the country not to feel safe.Quote:
Originally by Glirk Dient
...because when we made the constitution we wanted people to feel secure that the government wouldnt attack people,...
well dient seemed almost sort of close...the reason the constitution says we can 'bear arms' is to maintain the capability to overthrow the US government.
:rolleyes: You just keep telling yourself that... You base your conclusion from what exactly.
He's right.Quote:
Originally posted by 1veedo
:rolleyes: You just keep telling yourself that... You base your conclusion from what exactly.
One of the basic ideas the Founding Fathers had was if a governement ever stopped functioning properly it should be overthrown and started anew. There is speculation that they expected our government to last in the same framework for as long as it has.
Not sure how accurate it is but I do remember reading that while the US is pretty damn young compared to other nations we have the oldest Consitution.
Firearms will never help overthrow the government. Standing behind the idea that citizens need firearms incase of a revolution is unreasonable.
Its interesting how strongly some Americans feel about thier guns.
I wonder if the average Iraqii or Afghanii feels the same?
How far would you go if some other nation (ie China) attacked America and then told you to turn in your guns.
Would you embrace them with open armss or with guns blazing?
My bet is on the later.
Yes. Americans are far from enlightenment...Quote:
Originally posted by novacain
Its interesting how strongly some Americans feel about thier guns.
I wonder if the average Iraqii or Afghanii feels the same?
How far would you go if some other nation (ie China) attacked America and then told you to turn in your guns.
Would you embrace them with open armss or with guns blazing?
My bet is on the later.