About the use of C# and Java

Today I spoke a collegue of mine who is one of the people who are following Java technology and interest at our company. He told me that interest in Java is very much decreasing, only a few of our customers are interested in Java. We are developing embedded software and working mostly in the Netherlands and some other European countries like Germany. Most of them are starting to change to Microsoft products. In automotive industry for example manufacturers are turning to the Car.NET environment and using Windows CE in their systems. In telecom industry manufacturers are also turning to .NET.

How is the state of Java in your country and perhaps your branche?

(Note that this thread is about which language is most used and will, in your opinion, be used more in your country and/or branch. It is not about which is better. ;-))

I was recently talking to an embedded software developer who also said that java was on the decline. But I can't say to what extent, that's just what he told me.

Oh, and I'm in the U.S.

In my area, Java is as strong as ever. People are starting to ask for .NET, but it isn't close to Java yet. I would think the two will level off almost 50/50 in a year or so. Which is fine by me because I do both. ;)

U see,the entire concept of .net languages has been derived from Java.It was Java that showed the power of OOP programming and now,MS has utilised it to create .net.
Today,the major problem with .net is that in order to use .net based apps.,u need to download a 20MB runtime.Hence,programs for the lame PC-user have not yet been created in .net.
MS has always hated Java.Over the time,it has removed more and more compatibility features for Java in Windows.
It is certain that since MS has put all its languages under the .net platform,the next windows version will support .net apps. with us having to download a runtime.
Many say that J# has been defeated by Java.However,if what I stated above is true,.net may soon sideline Java.

Let me help you out here...

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the major problem with .net is that in order to use .net based apps.,u need to download a 20MB runtime.

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And you must be running Microsoft Windows to run the application. When you get into a enterprise environment, you'll find not everybody runs Windows.

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MS has always hated Java.

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Microsoft has always been jealous of Sun for not thinking of Java first. ;)

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Over the time,it has removed more and more compatibility features for Java in Windows.

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That happened because Microsoft didn't support the newest version of Java. They stuck with 1.1.4 if I recall correctly. They got into the lawsuit because instead of going with the standard JVM, they decided to create their own. Hence the features started to go and the lawsuit came.

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Many say that J# has been defeated by Java.

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Was there ever a competition?

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.net may soon sideline Java.

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Not quite. In this statement, you assume everyone running an operating system other than Windows will change just so they can use .NET. That just isn't realistic. Again, this is from an enterprise point of view. What applications your mom uses to manage her cookbook doesn't concern me. :p

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What applications your mom uses to manage her cookbook doesn't concern me.

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Though this sententence didn't manage to tickle my funny bone,:mad: I must say that the sad truth is that .net has not managed to convert the companies programs for lame users and non-development related pregrams to enter its platform.
We still have not seen a Real Media Player or a Yahoo Mesenger been distributed in the .net framework.
But I must add that it is possible for .net to do so by simply configuring its next Windows version with .net so that users don't have to download the runtime.
I resent the general attitude of those who think that .net programmers are wasting their time with a useless platform(Please don't quote this line)
What's a good language,what's not,is upto the programmer,the final decision of the OS developers is what makes the difference.I do believe that very soon, .net will change its avatar from a developer's platform to a platform under which common,useful-for-all programs will be created.

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.net programmers are wasting their time with a useless platform

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couldn't have said it better myself.