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well, im independent myself, but i saide with democrats over republicans
i'm an extremely independant person.
I defy categorization politically.
Libertarian.
whatever the hell that might be!
Libertarian? Never heard of that?!
It's like a person that well....okay, imagine a person that wants as much liberty as possible without screwin' up things into anarchy. We want government and rules and stuff but only to the extent needed for protection and operation and so on.
you want pretty much a lasaiz-faire policy for pretty much as much as there can possibly be a lasaiz-faire policy for?
I'm kind of like that... i've heard of libertarians before, but i have never looked up what they actually were/represented....
> lasaiz-faire policy<
WTF is that?
lassaiz-faire is the "hands off" policy... you may have heard of it if you have studied the US economic history in which such a policy was adopted in the 19th century leading to such cacaphonies as Tammany Hall and the Tweed Ring.
wouldn't know... speaking of which... would anyone clarify this for me... i forget how we become a 'member' of a particular party... is it such that we follow our parents or something like that? tradition? i don't remember...
oh, and i'm lasaiz-faire to the point where i don't think i should have a say in the first place... and we all just relax and rest... so that's my hold...
FYI o' the day... we speak modern english, from middle english, from old english... and middle english was allowed to flourish and develope ixnay gov't imposition of french... [by which way, lasaiz-faire is such...] more power to the people... :)
I know I shouldn't be answering this, but that doesn't apply to me, but I decided to choose "independent", because there are also two main political parties in Colombia, and I'm very sure that Republicans and Democrats correspond to Liberales and Conservadores in one way or another. But even so, in Colombia, I'm independent, I'd rather go with the guy's Ideas than with the guy's party.
Oskilian
Independent... non religious... well adjusted.... happy... somewhat well off... married man.
I'm Democrat but I'm not registered yet to vote.
There are lots of things such as capital punishment and
abortion where I stand republican.
Oops I didn't mean capital punishment, but Bin Ladden will
have to die.
:mad:
The problem with voting (by party or individual) is power attracts the corruptible (read Frank Herbert). While campaigning, a candidate says one thing, then after elected the lobbyists get 'em, and they do something else. Politicians have no honor. They only care about the public’s perception of them.
Boy, I don’t sound cynical do I? :)
WooHoo another libertarian, actually i fall somewhere between libertarian and republican, err I should say somewhere between libertarian and the Non-Pyscho-Religous-Nutcase-Republicans
simply, the government should not pointlessly interfere with ones personal and economic freedoms
I believe in maintaining my independence from partisan labels in political matters; however, I suppose I could be classified as moderate in my political views: I am liberal on some issues and conservative on others. When I can vote, which will be in about one year, I will vote for the people who would best represent my views; most likely, I would vote a mixture of Democrats, Republicans, and, possibly, some third-party and independent candidates.
Death penalty: I am generally opposed to it with the exceptions of Osama bin Laden and members of his terrorist organization, al-Qaida.
Abortion: I am generally opposed to abortion.
U.N. membership: I definitely feel that the U.S. should pay U.N. membership dues and continue being a major presence in the international community.
Economic views: I must admit: I am fairly ignorant of economic concepts; however, I believe businesses should be regulated such that they may not sell blatantly harmful products to consumers, they may not commit crimes or pollute in excess of pollution regulations, and they may not illegally gain and hold a monopoly.
Marriage for homosexual couples: I do not believe that homesexual couples should be allowed to be married.
School vouchers for students who reside in failed school districts: I believe students who would otherwise attend a school in a failed school district should be given vouchers to pay for tuition in a private or parochial school of parents' choice. The money to pay for these vouchers should be taken from the failed school district's finances; after all, that's one less student they will have to try to educate.
The status of legalization of certain nonmedicinal drugs: Drugs with little or no medical value should remain illegal to be bought, sold, used, or owned in the U.S. Furthermore, I believe tobacco products should be outlawed. The tobacco industry is little better than the mafia. Cigarettes and cigars also can annoy nonsmokers.
The Afghanistan operation: I believe the U.S. has every right to bring justice to those who helped in the terrorist attacks of September 11 and the later anthrax-in-the-mail attacks. Osama bin Laden and his terrorist organization, al-Qaida, have been tied to previous terrorist attacks, such as the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole and the attacks on two U.S. embassies; they must be brought to justice.
Affirmative action: I believe persons should be accepted based on merit rather than race, ethnicity, religion, gender, etc. Universities, corporations, and other organizations should not be forced to meet a certain quota of any "minority group." However, they should not discriminate against a person based on race, ethnicity, religion, gender, etc.
Reparations for slavery: I do not believe that descendants of African-American slaves should be paid damages by the government for what their ancestors had suffered.
Free public university system: I believe a wholly government-paid university system (undergraduate) should exist much as a similar system already exists for kindergarten through grade twelve. If this is not feasible, tuition fees for new undergraduates should be paid in full if that student chooses to enroll in a state public university right out of high school.
The Microsoft Corporation as a monopoly: I believe Microsoft has a monopoly, and the courts agree. I do not, though, believe Microsoft should be broken up.
The legitimacy of George W. Bush's election to the presidency of the United States of America: Bush has long since been inaugerated president; we're at war of some sort. If you are still complaining about this issue, get over it! Next election's in 2004!
>WooHoo another libertarian<
Awesome. I'm not alone. :)
Let's see, here's some of my twisted political views:
Abortion: Against it, even when the woman was raped.
Death penalty: Against it (even including bin Laden). Making an exception like this like some of you have done seems hipocritical in my eyes...
Drugs: I don't know. I know for sure that marijuana should be legalized due to its medical value (which is not little). Some drugs like crack I dunno. I beleive its a persons right, but no telling what legalizing it would do for the country.
Marriage for homos: It's their right. I don't beleive in same sex relationships, but dammit, this is America! Let the gays get married!
Affirmitive action: It's the businesses right to hire who they want. If they don't want to hire someone because they are black or white or whatever, dammit, this is America! It's the buisnesses right to discriminate! Plus its not fair to those that hire on merits rather than racial or sexual discrimination.
BTW, my twisted political views have no reflection upon the integrity of my character. ;)
>>Abortion: Against it, even when the woman was raped.
What...seriously???????????????
>What...seriously???????????????<
I know...it's just one of my twisted political views. I don't beleive in killing the unborn baby. In the Constitution it says no one shall be deprived of life, etc. without due process.
The only time I could even think about abortion being okay is when the mother's life is in danger and the only way for her to survive is to abort.
But not even rape??
Personally, I'm in favour of abortion. I dont have any qualms with women having the right over their own body.
I also believe in legalising or decriminalising hash (well why bother fighting a war that will be lost) and I'm for the UK integrating more tightly into Eurpoean Union (Yeah, as if we have any realistic alternative).
>Abortion: Against it, even when the woman was raped.
I'm pretty sure everybody is against it. The
debate usually revolves around whether or not
the Government should be allowed to legislate
the womb. Or so's my understandin'.
Did you know that Madonna has had 11 of those?
It's supposed to be revealed in the upcoming
Madonna biography. That seems a bit excessive.
She's rich. She can obviously afford some sort
of, you know... protection.
Drugs: Illegal to sell. Illegal to manufacture.
Not illegal to use. You shouldn't punish someone
for an addiction, but you should punish someone for
capitalizing off of that addiction.
That's all I have to say about that. :)
>Personally, I'm in favour of abortion. I dont have any qualms with women having the right over their own body. <
To tell ya the truth, I agree. The only reason I don't agree with it here in the US is because of the Constitution. It's got that thing about killing w/out due process. If it didn't have that bit, I'd say it's the woman's choice no matter what.
>You shouldn't punish someone
for an addiction, but you should punish someone for
capitalizing off of that addiction.<
Ya know, that's actually very interesting philosophy. Never thought about that...
But, what if the drugs aren't addictive?
I am my own party.
Views
Death penalty: I am for the death penalty for rely serious crimes.
Abortion: I am pro choce, I belive it is up to the parents to decide. I have no clue what I would decice.
U.N. membership: I think we should pay are dues. Also it should be combined with nato.
Economic views: Generly same as Cruxus. I don't belive companies are doing anything wrong with paying so little in other countries. Paying the same as they would in the US would just have them locate there factories in the US.
Marriage for homosexual couples: For
I also belive that African-Americans Jappnese-Americans, Latio-Americans, ect. Seperate are country. We are all americans and the only way you can be African-American is if you have citizen ship in both places. And so on.
I Am against abortion, a fetus has brain waves 25 days after pregnancy, it is alive.
if you kill a baby unborn, why cant you kill a born baby? it is still under the dependance of the mother. it is uncabaple of abstract thought, very similar to a fetus. If you ever see a partial birth abortion, like i have, your views may change.
I am for capital punishment, merely as deterent for crime, fear mostly.
I am against same sex marriages, it makes it -MUCH- easier to cheat taxes, besides marriage is mostly a religious serimony, and most gays are not religious.
drugs: my mom is a dv/da counselour, EVERY drug should be illegalized. I have seen how abusive even potheads can be. Dont give me that crap about it not affecting someone else.
Economy: more or less, I believe that a balance in power between Coporations and people should be met.
Countries should remain more independant, if the EU goes down all of europe goes down, just an opinion.
Constitutionalist.
The federal government should be limited to the powers given it in the US Constitution. I am a firm believer in states' rights.
>I am against same sex marriages, it makes it -MUCH- easier to cheat taxes, besides marriage is mostly a religious serimony, and most gays are not religious. <
What does it matter to you if people want to live that way??? Its a free country...... gay people (while i horribly disagree with their lifestyle) are still humans, and should get all rights that anyone else has.
>>Countries should remain more independant, if the EU goes down all of europe goes down, just an opinion.
Why should it go down? Is it more likely to fail than enywhere else?
>>EVERY drug should be illegalized. I have seen how abusive even potheads can be. Dont give me that crap about it not affecting someone else.
Yeah...well those people can be just as bad on alcohol....worse in my experience. I spent a large part of my life growing up in pubs and there is no doubt in my mind of how destructive booze can make people.
If somewone is going to lose themself in an a drug or alcohol then they will do it regardless of legality. Just look around. Making one group of vices illegal does nothing realistcally.
>drugs: my mom is a dv/da counselour, EVERY drug should be illegalized. I have seen how abusive even potheads can be. Dont give me that crap about it not affecting someone else.<
Why? The US was founded apon the principle that a person has the right to choose. Making something illegal won't stop people from doing it. I see murders in the news everyday. I see many of my friends get months in probation for simple possession of marijuana. I see people drop E at raves all the time. No one is scared of getting caught by the police. Remember prohibition in the 20's and 30's? The same for all drugs.... Why not just let them decide since they're gonna do it anyways.
Interesting topic* I received today:
"London, England: Possession of marijuana will no longer be an
arrestable offense, Britain's Home Secretary David Blunkett
announced Tuesday, in a move marking the first major relaxation
of England's pot laws in 30 years. Under the new national policy,
marijuana will be reclassified as a "Class C" or "soft" drug,
putting it in the same category as anti-depressants and steroids."
I've always liked England ;)
*Source: NORML Weekly Newsletter
Yup ...something’s stirring in the echelons of power here.
As pot is now a “c” class, the proposed maximum sentence for possession is 2 years. And 5 for dealing. I think the latter was 15 before.
Also it has been recommended that possession in small terms should not be an arrestable offence. Supposedly they will just confiscate.
This must now the first step towards decriminalisation.
Let's see, the UK is making efforts toward decriminalizing it. So is Canada, especially for medical purposes (which is WAY more important than for recreational purposes). Holland has always cherished it (more of a don't ask, don't tell basis). Now, all of these places haven't went off the brink into higher crime rates [fact]. Why can't dear Uncle Sam learn from others actions?
>Also it has been recommended that possession in small terms should not be an arrestable offence. <
California here in the states is like that. Too bad the federal government is a bunch of tight asses and won't make this a state issue rather than national...
>>Holland has always cherished it (more of a don't ask, don't tell basis).
I was in Amsterdam less than a month ago. The cops there take an opinion that "my efforts would be best employed eslewhere" approach to pot.
That's what I meant... I'm glad they do that too. I'd rather my city's cops worry about who's breaking into my house than what's in my pipe.
>>I'd rather my city's cops worry about who's breaking into my house than what's in my pipe.
LOL....well said
The only place where the cops will care about people smoking pot is in a city with extremly low crime and there bored (the kind of cops that arrest for a broken tail light). Marajuana is hardly enforced at all the only result of it being illigal is that it's not taxed(and its the US's number one cash crop). Marajuana does have several medical uses and hemp is much for cost effective for rope and paper than any other fiber.
about abbortion hows this situation if the baby has some disease that will kill it when it is young is it better to let it die a pain full death in a few years or to get rid of it when it has less then the brain development of a lab rat.
Everything you said about marijuana was right on the dot except for the thing about it not being enforced. Where I am, we have pretty high crime rate for our population. I live about 30 minutes away from Little Rock (AR's capitol) and it has (or at least did til recently) the highest murder rate per populus, meaning ratio-ly (new word?) the number of murders is highest in the nation. Cops enforce the weed laws down here like there's no tomorrow. It simply is a good way to collect money for funds. What gets me though is why don't they legalize it and tax it....
really I saw a documentary on marajana growing and its sounds like 90% of marajuna growers get away with it. Even if you are caught i heard its only a few weeks in jail.
>Even if you are caught i heard its only a few weeks in jail.<
No, no, no. Marijuana laws are pretty harsh, especially for "intent to distribute" offenses...
Here's a listing of state-by-state punishments.
>(the kind of cops that arrest for a broken tail light).
I got pulled over a while ago because the back
license plate light on the car I was driving
wasn't working. You know that little tiny
lightbulb that shines on the license plate?
Yeah, apparently it was serious enough for
the police to pull me over. Honestly, is this
a serious crime? It's just so ridiculous.
That's so bullcrap! What if your car didn't come with the little light?! Some cars don't ya know!
My best friend from about 6 years got into that stuft.
Now I can't even reconize him, sad sort of.
I think its much more serious than marajuna though.
Well the vidio i saw was you of date and they have been tighning drug laws lately. Now its illegal to sell food that has hemp seed in it.
"What does it matter to you if people want to live that way??? Its a free country...... gay people (while i horribly disagree with their lifestyle) are still humans, and should get all rights that anyone else has."
actually they still have the same rights.
ok,they cant have kids, well, alow them to clone.
and gay people can get married, it is not illegal the seromony, just the tax part. why are they so obsessed with the tax part hmmm?
"Yeah...well those people can be just as bad on alcohol....worse in my experience. I spent a large part of my life growing up in pubs and there is no doubt in my mind of how destructive booze can make people.
"
you seem to be mistaken, when I say every drug, I mean alcohol too. Alcohol is a drug you know.
2 wrongs dont make a right.
>>you seem to be mistaken, when I say every drug, I mean alcohol too. Alcohol is a drug you know.
Fair enough, but going back to your point you said you wanted all drugs made illegal. How less realistic is this view if you now lump alcohol in with drugs.
This isnt an ideal world, people will always screwup and the idea that criminalising all vices will help is a little too good to be true wouldnt you say? Anyway, again, as if criminalisation has ever worked in the case of hard drugs..... making soft drugs & booze illegal would, and has never worked....
>It's supposed to be revealed in the upcoming
Madonna biography.<
That's not the one they call Madonna's Sex Book, is it? I think
that was her first, right?
rick barclay
"This isnt an ideal world, people will always screwup and the idea that criminalising all vices will help is a little too good to be true wouldnt you say? Anyway, again, as if criminalisation has ever worked in the case of hard drugs..... making soft drugs & booze illegal would, and has never worked...."
yes it isnt, but, i am mostly concerned about the victims, not the criminals. Just think how hard corporations would push drugs if they were illegal. And, I really believe that all abusive crimes should have triple punishment as they do now, and quadruple if they are drug related.
"really I saw a documentary on marajana growing and its sounds like 90% of marajuna growers get away with it. Even if you are caught i heard its only a few weeks in jail. "
I think drug laws are foobar. There should be 1 punishment for dealing, 1 punishment for big dealing and no punishment for using (see above about abuse)
1 year for small dealing
5 years for big
sounds harsh? it took me 15 years of education to get me were I am today, it takes very little work for the drug dealer.
>>i am mostly concerned about the victims, not the criminals.
Again, fair enough, but I would hardly say that everyone who has a drink or even smokes hash is a victim....... And even if they are, are the drugs/booze the main reason??
I'm sorry to bring this slightly old thread back up, but oh well...
>actually they still have the same rights.<
In a lot of states, they can't get a legal marriage. They can't speak openly about their lifestyle in the army. Yep, you're right. They do have the same rights....
>i am mostly concerned about the victims, not the criminals.<
The sad part is in most cases, the victims are stamped with being the criminals...
> Again, fair enough, but I would hardly say that everyone who has a drink or even smokes hash is a victim....... And even if they are, are the drugs/booze the main reason??<
Well said.
Okay, I'm done. Let the thread die in peace!
No, it's not the Sex book. It's one that justQuote:
Originally posted by rick barclay
>It's supposed to be revealed in the upcoming
Madonna biography.<
That's not the one they call Madonna's Sex Book, is it? I think
that was her first, right?
rick barclay
got released. I think it's the Madonna: an Intimate
Biography book.
I just studied French Revolution so I am pretty scared about Republicans (Jacobins!)
You'll be even more scared after you study Democrats-Carter,
Clinton, et, al.
rick barclay
Don't...say...that...
You will give me nightmares...:eek:
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Engineer223
Here in Aus the problem with drugs it the are very expensive and hard to get. Except pot, pot growing is an industry reported to be four times the size of our wine industry (we produce lots of wine!).
This is something you have to experience first hand. Only thru addiction can you understand that, to an addict drugs have the same level of importance as oxygen and are much more important than food / water.
This causes crime, as people addicted to drugs will do anything to get more. If you have known someone with a drug problem you would understand. It is terrible when someone in your family lies to your face, steals your property (someone I know stole their Mom's wedding ring) and then nearly dies from an OD.
The problem is in quality and quantity. Taking these kind of chemicals without any supervision eventually is deadly.
Stop the trade. Make them all legal. If you want drugs you go to the doctor, he/she checks you out, records your consumpton and gives you what you want at a reasonable price.
As the production was legal prices would drop, quality remain constant. This would kill the black market over night and drasticly reduce the number of OD's. Taxes raised from the drugs could pay for better hospitals and fund the detox programs.
Remember 90% of money spent by the gov on drugs is on law enforcement. That leaves very little to cure someone who has developed a problem. I would rather have a population that is stoned rather than hanging out and needing to score (looking for the easy target to get the cash ie little old ladies handbags).
As for pot, a hectare of pot produces better quality paper than rain forrest, and does so 3-4 times a year, not once in 50 years or so. So which one is most used for paper / wood chip?
Im a Conservative!
novacain, you read my mind man!
>As for pot, a hectare of pot produces better quality paper than rain forrest, and does so 3-4 times a year, not once in 50 years or so. So which one is most used for paper / wood chip?<
Finally! Someone sees past the propaganda that almost always fogs the marijuana lens. Let's not forget about the 1000+ illnesses that it can treat.
Also, there's a book by the name of something along the lines of The Emperor Wears No Clothes. It discussess the myriad uses for industrial hemp. God, I love this plant! It can do everything. :)
In the United States, Pot is our number one cash crop. Meaning that people are making more money by growing it than legal farmers make by growing corn, wheat, tobacco etc etc. I think that's the number one reason why they don't legalize it. It would definately have some sort of effect on our economy, probably not good. Meanwhile, they use our tax dollars to jail and feed thousands and thousands of people every year and for what? A victimless crime. They should spend this money and house and feed the homeless instead. Just my opinion.
OH YEAH!!!! I am a republican!!
I am one of the Marxist. :P
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Engineer223
*shakes head* I'm always the last one to find out (referring to the incident over at *cough*f-daddee*cough*...
>It's not a very well known fact but......<
You wouldn't beleive how many it's not a very well known fact but...'s there are for marijuana. It sickens me...
... The marijuana party maybe? They are not very big, though. But, no big deal.
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Engineer223