What are those wars in Israel and England or whatever, you know the BS between the Catholics and Protestants, whereever it is. What is all this religious bull**** about? Why are people ****ed up on religion. I don't get it.
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What are those wars in Israel and England or whatever, you know the BS between the Catholics and Protestants, whereever it is. What is all this religious bull**** about? Why are people ****ed up on religion. I don't get it.
You might notice, that wars are never fought because of
religion. Religion is an easy way to cover up your own
immorality and greed for power, but the purely religious
people will never fight a war.
Jews and Muslims can live in peace anywhere but in Israel
und Palestine. Thats not about religion, it's about land and
power.
Irish christians are not fighting over religious things... they
are fighting for control or lack of it. Give Ireland to Spain and
you will see how quickly Protestants and Catholics get best
friends.
Muslims and christians have lived in peace in almost any
country for decades. There is no reason but land and
control thereof that Serbs and Bosnians should fight
each other.
Osama is not fighting for his believes. He is fighting to drive
the US out of the arabian sphere of influence. He said so
himself. It's not about god. It's about land and money and
power.
It's always only greed that drives people to go to war.
And it's easy to cover it up with religion, because religion
leaves no room to argue.
Why don't they get along like Canada and the USA? Are they nuts?
No, Canada and the US have good connections, peace and
share the same view as how the borders should be drawn.
When one party doesn't like the present state, it will begin
a war, civil or foreign. So now, they can either call it justified
by greed, saying it's their right to change the present state
because they can, or they can go the easy way and
tell the world it's for their believes. It's easy to argue with
reasonable people, but you can't argue with a 'believer'
about his faith. If his faith tells him to kill, it's senseless to
talk about peace. If it tells him to conquer, he will. And he
doesn't even have to abide to the morals that apply. He
is believing in his cause and that's his justification for
doing everything his greed tells him.
Other than that, neither the US nor Canada are being
controlled by a system that resembles a medieval monarchy.
( Oh, and Canada is not worth fighting over, they don't have
anything the US needs... just kidding :p )
USA is all messed up now. Bin Laden knocked them out of the picture.
>USA is all messed up now. Bin Laden knocked them out of the picture.
Right. Whatever you say, Dean... I guess it's time to start looking for a new place to live now.
Sent a few bags of wheat to you Govtcheez. Should last for three weeks if you ground it up.
That's really kind - thanks
"Oh, and Canada is not worth fighting over, they don't have
anything the US needs... just kidding "
Thats what we want you to think, eh!
Religion may not be the primary cause of war, but it is certainly a powerful tool which leaders use to bend the masses; a brainwashing instrument to eliminate fear, doubt, and rationality.
As far as this month's terrorism is concerned, religion most certainly was the root cause. The suicide bombers didn't kill themselves out of "greed". They thought that their God wanted them to crash the planes, and would reward them for it.
I think if people used their own common-sense morals instead of those passed down by religious texts and traditions, and treated life - their own and others' - as if it were finite and not eternal, the world would be a better place.
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I think if people used their own common-sense morals instead of those passed down by religious texts and traditions, and treated life - their own and others' - as if it were finite and not eternal, the world would be a better place.
Blaming problems on Religion is as bad as people who use Religion to justify their actions.
Look at what has happened in Afghanistan - the Taliban has used the Islamic Religion to support and perpetuate their fascist regime. But does this imply that Religion is responsible? No it isn't.
Look at the history of Afghanistan in the past 20 years. 1980 - the (former) USSR invaded and set up a "puppet" government. So war breaks out between the mujhadeen and pro-Soviet Afghanis. The USA and Britain supply, train, and aid the Afghani rebels. 1989 and the war with the Soviets more or less ends. But Afghanistan is broke and still involved in civil war. So fanatical supporters of Islam and Afghanistan say "Look what has happened to the country. The US was here and now we are broke". To anyone who is thinking rationally, the reason why Afghanistan is broke is because of years of war, and because the country has no industry to support it. 10 years go by and the Taliban regime grows in strength, aided by "the Base" and Osama bin Laden. bin Laden believes the US to be responsible for the hardships that plague Afghanistan. He himself is an extremist Muslim.
Now he and the Taliban rule with an iron fist - what they say goes. They are using the Islamic Religion to justify their beliefs and to keep people in check. Islam is not to blame! It has been manipulated and construed in such a way by the Taliban, so that it suits their purposes.
This is not a conflict of religion.
The UN, NATO, and the US are not out to get every Islamic man, woman and child. Whilst the Taliban may declare Jihad they have indeed taken the notion of a holy war in order to justify their actions.
It is a conflict of the haves and the have-nots.
Why doesn't everyone just forget the religious horse **** and live in peace?
Because things aren't that simple. Life isn't that simple. Religion is NOT to blame. People are.
Yes, it's that simple. Drop the religious plauge and we can have a better world. If you want to read the bible than go ahead but treat it as literature, and shut up about it.
The Taliban and Osama bin Laden are under the control of religion as much as their followers are. They are not simply using it as a tool to gain their subordinates' support and further their own secular goals. They act out of religious belief, not personal motivation.Quote:
Originally posted by [stealth]
Blaming problems on Religion is as bad as people who use Religion to justify their actions.
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Now he and the Taliban rule with an iron fist - what they say goes. They are using the Islamic Religion to justify their beliefs and to keep people in check. Islam is not to blame! It has been manipulated and construed in such a way by the Taliban, so that it suits their purposes.
This is not a conflict of religion.
The UN, NATO, and the US are not out to get every Islamic man, woman and child. Whilst the Taliban may declare Jihad they have indeed taken the notion of a holy war in order to justify their actions.
It is a conflict of the haves and the have-nots.
Islam is not to blame; Islamic fanaticism is. But extremist versions of religions are still religions.
They aren't under the control of anything except their own derision. Yes relgion is a part of their beliefs, but a religion doesn't make you do anything that you don't want to do.
I'll keep that in mind, at least up until the point where the religious nut cases get a nuclear bomb and blow me up.
Religion still makes people willing to do things no sane person would otherwise do, such as fly planes into buildings. Extremist versions of religions go so far to overwhelm an individual's capability for reason and independent thought that I think the word 'control' is quite appropriate. The fact that they think they 'want' to isn't very relevant; their concious desires have been overpowered by radical belief.Quote:
Originally posted by [stealth]
They aren't under the control of anything except their own derision. Yes relgion is a part of their beliefs, but a religion doesn't make you do anything that you don't want to do.
rolf just from your name Witch_King i could tell that your a lammer...
do you know how stupid it is to blame war on religion?
wars are stated for money and land...
in israel its about land
in kuwaits its about money
in ireland its about land
From your name I can tell that you are a religious fundamentalist terrorist from Afghanistan. Were you the one who told Bin Laden to leave? What did he say? Did he spit in your face?
Religion has lead the Afghans to put their women in slavery. Did you beat your wife today?
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do you know how stupid it is to blame war on religion?
wars are stated for money and land...
in israel its about land
in kuwaits its about money
in ireland its about land
None of this is directly directed at the above author...
I have been hesitant to get into this one. Try not to see only the parts of history that fit into your own little viewpoint.
A lot of war is because of beliefs and not because of land. To say otherwise is to deny the truth. To say all war is due to beliefs is also to deny the truth...
The crusades were strictly fought to convert "heathens" to christianity by sword. They didn't take land... they didn't lay claim to fame or fortune. They proposedly killed in the name of God.
Do you remember where they went... into the holy land. Muslims have been in a belief war with Christianity for decades of centuries.
There are other wars... from Japan beleiving they were the inheritors of the world to Korean or Vietnamese government believing communism is a better belief system or institution than capitolism.
As for todays news... One of Bin Laden's top military advisors, an egyption, brought forth the true 'jihad.' A 'jihad' is a religious war. This is what they believe they are fighting.... down with the capolist christians and everything they stand for. Down with their buildings and way of life.
ON the other hand... I imagine during the crusades, the men were taking purses and people's wives. I imagine they ate mutton and gardens from the homes they destroyed. To say that they didn't gain monetarily or otherwise would be stupid.
In such a case though... it is merely a perk. It isn't the reason why....
sometimes you don't fight for your land, your property, your money, or your beliefs.... sometimes you just fight for your life.
(Let's not be so black and white on this people... there is no right, there is no wrong, there is no spoon)
Exactly. Any fool can blame religion for the world's problems, any fool can codemn those whose beliefs they do not understand, and fool can complain about religion causing wars.Quote:
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain... and most fools usually do." Benajamin Franklin
All I know is that the religious talk sounds insane to me. I don't trust religion.
I'd like to say something here : What some muslim/christian extremists do isn't related to Islam or christianity. if you check both religions' teachings, you'll find that they urge for peace.
You won't find commandments in the Qur'an or bible telling muslims/christians to kill people of other religions, you'll find commandments urging them to live in peace with those who want to (but I won't quote verses here. If you want some tell me).
Those who blew themselves did so because U.S.A is very unfair with everyone here (except Israel).
They believe they're fighting tyranny. However, that doesn't give them any right to kill civilians.
I think they're wrong, and you're wrong too. Nobody's clean as he claims to be (not even me). We all like to play angels, but our actions reveal what we hide.
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About this women thing : What taliban declared to be of Islamic traditions has absolutely nothing to do with Islam. All this nonesense about preventing women from education and keeping them in their homes. So please don't judge when you don't know.
BTW : How'd you know Osama Bin Laden did it? U.S.A is going to blow Afghanistan because Bin Laden is the 1st suspect? Why doesn't U.S.A give Taliban evidence he did it, and then they'll hand him (I think)?
From what I've read, someone used the pentagon's computer code to disable the air defense system. Bin laden (and we - arabs - are currently not enough talented/trained to make such an organized catastrophe)
Didn't you rush to blame Arabs for what Timothy McSomething (sorry, i don't know the spelling) had done before? And then you discovered it's an american extremist (Timothy) that had done it, and electrocuted him (as far as I recall)
We know it was Arabs. We have video tape of them getting into the plane. The took flight training lessons in the USA. We know who it is. Bin Laden should die as soon as possible.
Also I hate Israel. i want to see the place nuked. I don't care about any of those people, they are all insane. I don't help any of them!
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BTW : How'd you know Osama Bin Laden did it? U.S.A is going to blow Afghanistan because Bin Laden is the 1st suspect? Why doesn't U.S.A give Taliban evidence he did it, and then they'll hand him (I think)?
The evidence is of the kind where by disclosing the source would lead to trouble. The US as had it's eyes on Bin Ladden for along time, he
has also already been convicted of other crimes.
At the beginning I though the Taliban would
hand him over but I don't think so.
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From what I've read, someone used the pentagon's computer code to disable the air defense system. Bin laden
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Untrue. We scrambled the f15's to possibly shoot down the commercial
airliner in washington but too late.
The battle in Israel is not about ethnic cleansing. It is a religious war. I don't really care about it too much nor do I care who wins that war. As far as I'm concerned it would be fine if Arabs took over Israel. I hope that they can keep it too themselves. I don't want any part of that bull****.
The problem is that Arabs attacked the USA. Terrorists are a threat to North America and it's not about fairness anymore, although it appears that the USA and the UK are not just dropping bombs. I don't expect to see the taliban around any more though when this is over.
Bin Laden is a terrorist. He admits it. I don't trust the guy. It looks like they are going to kill him one way or another. I think he needs to die, but that is just the beginning. Every terrorist in the world needs to die. All terrorist camps on earth need to be destroyed. Any government that harbors terrorists needs to be destroyed. That's the nice way. We could use nuclear weapons but we aren't going to. But than again it could happen.
When you get rid of your stinking criminals than we all can have a good life. I don't see why the middle east can't become more technologically advanced and wealthy.
The USA will not be the richest country in the world by the end of the century. They are the richest country right now but many countries have become wealthy. I think it's time for you guys to go to work and join the free world. Don't take religion soo seriously because people go nuts over it and there is no need for that.
Also, there are plenty of poor in North America. If you get an opportunity to live a respectable life in your country than North America is no better.
>The USA will not be the richest country in the world by the end of the century.<
If you talk in terms of GDP, then China should surpass us by 2025......
Witch_King go to your local library - borrow the following: [list=1][*]The Bible[*]The Qur'an[*]10 Books on WWI[*]10 Books on WWII[*]10 Books on Israels political history[/list=1]Quote:
Also I hate Israel. i want to see the place nuked. I don't care about any of those people, they are all insane. I don't help any of them!
Once you actually feel you have a grasping of the history of the balkans and the middle east, come back. Then I'll have a serious discussion with you. Otherwise you can take your ignorant attitude and shove it up your ****ing ***
Next term I have to take a course on the cold war. I know a little more about those places than I lead people to believe. I also own a library. I have at least 40 or more books on those subjects. Right now they are packed though because I'm moving into a new house this week. Have to paint the upstairs ceilings and walls on Sunday and Monday.
The point I'm trying to make however, is that I don't want to know about these places because there is no need for the bull**** that is going on in those places for the last 30 years. We live in a civilized world, at least I do. It would be great if the rest of the world could join us and treat religion as a personal freedom rather than an insane war and instrument of destruction. I could care less who owns Israel. That would be great if that section of earth fell off into the ocean and became submerged. It's a big mistake to become involved with that. I step away from it or else if I want to understand what is going on there than I privately study that information. That country should grow up. Arabs should grow up. There are plenty of tools and education available now in the world that we do not need to babysit a nation or a race of people. I don't see why they can't pick up like the Japaneese and take their share of benefits. Religion should be abolished if it is going to be that much of a problem. They should take their bibles away from them. It's too dangerous and they can't handle it. Not yet anyway.
>there is no need for the bull**** that is going on in those places for the last 30 years. We live in a civilized world, at least I do. It would be great if the rest of the world could join us and treat religion as a personal freedom rather than an insane war and instrument of destruction. I could care less who owns Israel.<
Agreed.
>> Any fool can blame religion for the world's problems
I agree. Who is doing this?
>>any fool can codemn those whose beliefs they do not understand.
Once again agreement... but I would say, a fool "will" not "can"
>> and fool can complain about religion causing wars
I suppose you mean any fool... and is somebody complaining besides you?
I guess you couldn't make it more apparent that you have substantiated proof that I am doing 'such things' because of my previous post. I guess I don't see your mindset.... especially since my post is down the middle. I said land and money are not the only reasons war is started.... and I also said religion/beliefs are not the only reasons war is started. I then stated proofs of this and even attempted to show that a little of each go hand in hand for many wars. Then I even stated that you don't always fight for the above mentioned... you may just fight for your life.
So, let me tell you something else about fools that I didn't learn from Ben. They tend to take a side so strongly that they are blinded to all other possibilities. Also, due to a great desire for self-worth, they tend to think they are never wrong...
Of course... I may be wrong about that.;)
But on a more personal note... what the hell is up your a$$ today? I didn't do anything to you to warrant these facetious remarks.:mad: You are definitely on my bad list for the moment until you explain your comments...
Hello - wake up! I was making that point to WITCH_KING. Not you. Settle down.
Read threads before marching in with both guns blazing Betazep.
About what? The way I see it is that these countries are hurting themselves. When they struck the USA they hurt the world because the real issues that we should be concerned about are commerce, space exploration, and human rights and freedoms. At this stage the USA is the workhorse for most of this. Iraq should be trying to contribute to the international space station, so shoudl Afghanistan and the middle east. We should be designing nuclear weapons to protect the earth from asteroids. A better way needs to be developed so that we can run our vechiels without destroying the environment. Population needs to be controlled so that all coutries can have a higher standard of living. This war accomplishes nothing. There are no winners. War is about dying.Quote:
Hello - wake up! I was making that point to WITCH_KING
The USA was investing in stem cell research. I don't know if that will get much funding any more. Maybe Canada can take that up, maybe Europe. It looks like the USA has it's hands full now. All that medicine would have traveled to the Middle East, we would have all benefited from it.
Look WK I agree in general with what you are saying, so I'm not attacking your arguement about how the world should focus on the greater things other than futile arguments. But as I said earlier this is a war between the haves and the have-nots. America has power, money, freedom. The terrorists who attacked the US were motivated by the notion that the US does not deserve these things.Quote:
About what? The way I see it is that these countries are hurting themselves. When they struck the USA they hurt the world because the real issues that we should be concerned about are commerce, space exploration, and human rights and freedoms.
I get annoyed when people jump on the "I hate religion cause I think it starts wars" bandwagon. Yeah sure, religion is a part of society, but not the cause of all of our problems. It's like those who say "money is the root of all evil". Money is just money. Peoples greed drives them to comit to acts to get money, people put such a high value on money, but you don't have to be that way if you don't want to.
>>Hello - wake up! I was making that point to WITCH_KING. Not you. Settle down.
Sorry. I thought you were being sarcastic. My bad.
I've made the point before that a driving force of war is about wealth.
It was the historian Weber who said class distinction is based on wealth, power, and prestige. These things are not eternally true because they are not actually true. And it is difficult to understand why an adult would carry this point of view unless he enjoyed something else entirely. Bin Laden had every chance. We know who he is a criminal. This is a way to convert young people to hate something because they don't know themselves.
Well the simple answer to this, is that itis just a matter of time before the Middle East has all the tools and technology of North America and Europe. Religion will still be a problem at this point and unfortunately human logic is flawed. It can not see far enough into the future. Empathy requires experience, it needs to be applied and therefore there is no refuge in religion. We can't learn how to be a certain way by reading a book about how to behave. We actually have to phisically make mistakes and learn that way instead. It's just literature. It's enriching but also dangerous to humans. That imagination evolved so that we could use tools. That's all. We can't let the imagination lead us to believe in things that are not real else we'll create a false image. That's abusing your imagination.
The way to solve the problem is physical. The thing is that everybody knows it. If we don't stop the terrorists and let the good people get to work and build their countries than well be falling behind schedule trying to save the earth from all the bad things that are happening to it on an exponential rate.
I always figured that man would destroy himself but not on purpose. I didn't think that man would destroy himself on purpose in my lifetime. The religious afterlife is now. Nobody knows what happens when you die. You have not even felt that yet. How can you relate to it?
>>Money is just money. Peoples greed drives them to comit to acts to get money, people put such a high value on money, but you don't have to be that way if you don't want to.
Well said...
The terrorists declared war on the US. If the USA wants to drop nuclear material on you it doesn't have to ask. Thus far it has not used nuclear weapons, only ballistic weapons. If it decides to use weapons of mass destruction than you will know it. It doesn't appear that they are going to do that however unless the terrorists strike with chemical weapons. The USA may have more than enough nuclear weapons that if they detonated all or even a few of their weapons right in North America, the whole world would still be destroyed. How do you fight that? I don't think the USA wants to destroy the world for the sake of a minority that doesn't want to get along with the rest. The threat has to be eliminated though. I wish we could stick you guys on pluto.
>>From your name I can tell that you are a religious fundamentalist terrorist from Afghanistan. Were you the one who told Bin Laden to leave? What did he say? Did he spit in your face?
Religion has lead the Afghans to put their women in slavery. Did you beat your wife today?
LOL:D
Well there's an Athens in Indiana and few other places.
Nuking or even doing wide-spread bombing is not in the
America's interest as it will just cause more anti-american
sediments. Now we would be better off invading Canada, we
don't expect any resistance to that. We wil pin the english speaking
verse the french speaking. Take over will be eminent.
Greece is in Pakistan and Yugoslavia! I know this for a fact.
If you invade Canada I'll blow up the world. I've got a nuke in my backyard. Come on! I dare you.
"If you invade Canada I'll blow up the world. I've got a nuke in my backyard. Come on! I dare you."
Nah, you dont have to do anything. Just wait till winter comes, then bye bye. They'll be gone by Christmas, before even the REAL winter starts.
The USA (well, the entire civilized world) should make a huge parking lot of all the countries that are controlled by dangerouse, primitive religons and beliefs, because they can't keep them for themselves. Some religons clearly says that to die in the "holy war" is their highest wish. They see everybody who are not like themselves as Satan (which means the rest of the world). Of course, some "innocent" people will die, but that's better than if one of those idiot-countries ends the entire world.
It should be illegal to be brainwashed with primitive beliefs and religons. If those countries doesn't grow up, it's just a question of time before they get their hands on more dangerouse weapons, like the biological ones. We should be glad that they are like monkeys over there - they don't know what a computer is. Their laws are like the ones we had thousands of years ago, after a while all the people who lives there gets brainwashed, so just to be sure, nuke all those places that has a lot of dangerouse beliefs and religons. They're too stupid to live and be happy anyway.
In the long run, the world would be a better place without some people.
i dont understand something... >
Try a little harder. Look a little deeper. Maybe consult someone
whose English is a little better then yours. There is a message
in what he's telling you--a very deep, profound instruction that
will point you to a better understanding of how North Americans
think. It's there, my friend...it's there.
rick barclay
>Try a little harder. Look a little deeper. Maybe consult someone
>whose English is a little better then yours.
Sorry Rick, the following is not directed at you...
Someone thinking of anything else then Greece when he hears
Athens is probably quite uninformed. And to tell the truth, I
have never seen a citizen of a civilized country to be as
uninformed about world geography and politics as the average
american. You guys don't even care about what is going on
outside you little country, until it happens to scratch your own
interests. And most of you don't even know where your
interests lie. You probably know all your forty-something
presidents, but you know **** about how the world looks
outside of your own borders.
You are a super power... but you are not alone, and you should
better watch your step. Don't step on too many peoples toes
while stumbling around.
Hey, didn't i abolish religion a few weaks ago, when i crowned myself king of the world?
I have a two world maps on the wall right now. Actucally one world map and one map of Europe.
i cannot belive your stupidity Witch_King...
i am canadain and i have to say your a disgrace to all canadians
all you seem to be able to spew is hatred and follish bigotry
i really have to ask this! ARE YOU A TROLL?
as for you betazep you are right some wars are caused by religion but you can really blame all wars on religion
the crusades where caused yes for religion
but you have to remeber that war is not caused by one thing alone
Your racism and steriotyping has done nothing other than demonstrate the fact that your not too bright... again your a humiliation to candians, its people like you that make this world an unhappy place. maybe you should go get yourself some counselling as you obviously have a lot of hate built up somewhere. (where you abused as a kid? beat up in school?)
It is really sad to see anyone as misinformed and troubled as you
and i am not muslem i am catholic
i really cant believe you can be so racist and stupid...
Witch_King is the funniest person I've ever seen at cprogramming.com, I'm number two.
Very true indeed.Quote:
Someone thinking of anything else then Greece when he hears
Athens is probably quite uninformed. And to tell the truth, I
have never seen a citizen of a civilized country to be as
uninformed about world geography and politics as the average
american. You guys don't even care about what is going on
outside you little country, until it happens to scratch your own
interests. And most of you don't even know where your
interests lie. You probably know all your forty-something
presidents, but you know **** about how the world looks
outside of your own borders.
You are a super power... but you are not alone, and you should
better watch your step. Don't step on too many peoples toes
while stumbling around.
Their laws may be old and they may be not so up-to-date with technology but fanaticism is a very dangerous thing as we have seen. We can see to what lengths these people will go to for their beliefs.Quote:
We should be glad that they are like monkeys over there - they don't know what a computer is. Their laws are like the ones we had thousands of years ago,
The indoctrination goes on and there's not a lot we can do about it. You can't stamp out these things completely.Quote:
after a while all the people who lives there gets brainwashed,
Indeed. Dangerous people in high places have caused a lot of trouble in the past.Quote:
In the long run, the world would be a better place without some people.
-Pen
You are a female, PenDragon, right?
Anyway, the end of the world would be a great thing in the long run. I mean, most people are probably more negative than positive in average, many people are too smart to be happy nowdays. They can see their life for what it is: Some pointless temporary nonsense. We are all going to die, it's not very important when it happens.
The funny thing is: When you die, you won't care about it, lets say somebody sneaked up behind and put a bullet in your head all of a sudden. You would just die, everything would disappear, all fear, all hope, all your feelings. What's so bad about that? The people who knew the dead person is the only problem, they will feel bad about it, but that's their own fault.
Only people can define what's wrong, right, good and bad etc. In the real world there are no such definitions. The destruction of earth is the cure for all the bad things (and good things) we have defined. It will be like NULL everywhere without all those error prone definitions! Blow it up, bin Laden.
So, without life here on earth there will be no more tears, there will be no more pain. And there will be no more damn whining. The end of the world is no bad thing for mankind, it's good.
I'm a bin Laden fan. He might start the final war, the holy war, in God's name.
>>Only people can define what's wrong, right, good and bad etc. In the real world there are no such definitions. The destruction of earth is the cure for all the bad things (and good things) we have defined. It will be like NULL everywhere without all those error prone definitions!
Finally... somebody that understands!
>>Blow it up Bin Laden.
>>I'm a bin Laden fan. He might start the final war, the holy war, in God's name.
and you are crazy too. So I am not the only one! ;)
I don't think that too many people feel that their lives are pointless. Some young adults are affected by depression until they learn how to control it. This might make a person feel like their life is pointless, that is, until they discover that they can do something about it.
Have you ever seen a religious fundamentalist? It doesn't matter what religion they are all the same. It's not a good idea to give them weapons.
The reason Bin Laden has to die is because he is a criminal. He has mislead many people, especially young people. Most of the world wants a better life for everyone that does not involve hate. Most of the world is more interested in education, health and personal freedom. That will be the future of countries like Afghanistan if you give their people conditions for this to happen. At this point there is no hope in finding this with the Taliban.
I don't think of myself as crazy, I think of myself as a person who thinks different. Can I ask, do you seriously see yourself as crazy, or different?Quote:
and you are crazy too. So I am not the only one!
Yes, negativity and depression will also fade and die - just like everything else. NULL is the truth, it's everything, I'm almost a Buddhist.Quote:
This might make a person feel like their life is pointless, that is, until they discover that they can do something about it.
You're an extremist in my eyes. I think the world is going towards being NULL, that's it. All opinions about how the world should look like always leads to conflicts - even if those concepts are good in your opinion, there will always be people who see it another way. It's about drawing lines, and setting up rules. Lets say we have enough resources to build one hospital, but where? This could lead to conflicts, even if there is nothing negative about building an hospital. People live and feel, that's what causes good and bad to exist. We need to evolv for a few additional thousands years before each individual human (or maybe I should say life-form) can be free, perfect, and not unhappy/happy.Quote:
The reason Bin Laden has to die is because he is a criminal. He has mislead many people, especially young people. Most of the world wants a better life for everyone that does not involve hate. Most of the world is more interested in education, health and personal freedom.
We evolved feelings only because it was the best way for us to advance and survive, who knows, they might just be one temporary step in the evolution.
Still, I feel like the final goal is not trying to create a world where everything is as good as possible according to our emotions. We always need to see negativity if we want to see positivity anyway. So Nirvana is my goal.
> So Nirvana is my goal.<
You'll never see this, and, to boot, your hospital will never get
built.
rick barclay
>Lets say we have enough resources to build one hospital, but where? This could lead to conflicts, even if there is nothing negative about building an hospital. People live and feel, that's what causes good and bad to exist. We need to evolv for a few additional thousands years before each individual human (or maybe I should say life-form) can be free, perfect, and not unhappy/happy. <
First off you the hospatil were it is the most needed. Second the day I have no feelings is the day I die. I am already perfect, and I still have fellings. I also don't care what others think since it means nothing. Resond as you wish.
hmm, religion to blame, havent read all the last posts, but here is my view, if you believe that religion is the cause of all the worlds problems, go to hell lol.
"Yes, it's that simple. Drop the religious plauge and we can have a better world. If you want to read the bible than go ahead but treat it as literature, and shut up about it."
lol this is the most pathetic thing I have EVER heard.
look at the 2 biggest mass-genocides EVER.
Hitler killed jews because they were jews, not because they believed in God. he also killed gypsies, the handikapped, and muslims.
Stalin killed everybody that was relgious or not regardless.
money and power have been the main reason for struggle in the world, communism tried to get rid of it along with religion and look how successfull that was.
I could say that since I am Christian, my views may be biased.
oh and another thing, Christianity DOES NOT say you will go to hell if you dont believe in it. it just says that if you are truly evil that you will go to hell and I quote from the profecys of John in Revelation "Sorcerers, false profits, and murders will be cast into the pit of fire for eternity" . of course Jesus died for sins like this and if you fall into one of these categorys then you will go to Heaven only if you repent. this is the same as saying sorry, so dont take religion wrong, it is a book of morale law.
Darwins survival of the fitest says that it will be easier for a genes to surivive if their is less competition. I could make an argument that evolution seperates people, but I wont because I know that it doesnt.
oh, and if evolution is true humans will continuely devolve into nothingness.
"We evolved feelings only because it was the best way for us to advance and survive, who knows, they might just be one temporary step in the evolution. "
actually, many feelings are useless to humans, and if evolution is true they should be dead to us like our appendixes.
>look at the 2 biggest mass-genocides EVER.
>Hitler killed ...
>Stalin killed ...
I was quite surprised to read that recently, but
looking at the population numbers, it's logical:
Chinese mass killings took more lives than
Hitler and Stalin combined.
The fact is still that war is always about power,
money and land. Never about believes, although
it's easy to say so because you don't have to
justify it this way.
> Chinese mass killings took more lives than Hitler and Stalin combined.
Rather disturbing that whenever someone brings up mass murders, someone can always top it with something else... (And I say to myself... what a wonderful world...)
hmm, never heard of the chinese mass genocides, when did these occur, after or before Anti- religious communism swept the country?
Sorry to pick on this a little late but I haven't been able to post for a bit.Quote:
You are a female, PenDragon, right?
I'm curious no-one... The fact that you picked up on my being female had something to do with how I expressed my answer or how it was perceived by you??
-Pen
Your avatar has female eyes.
rick barclay
Utter nonsense!
My avatar is unisex I say!
-Penny
Makes sense.
rick barclay
Witch King, you're currently being an extremist. I'm assuming this is because you're very angry, and that you're not always like that. Please calm down and discuss things in a better way.
1 - Religion and terrorism are mutually exclusiveQuote:
<Witch_King>
From your name I can tell that you are a religious fundamentalist terrorist from Afghanistan. Were you the one who told Bin Laden to leave? What did he say? Did he spit in your face?
Religion has lead the Afghans to put their women in slavery. Did you beat your wife today?
2 - Fundamentalism : The belief in old and traditional forms of religion, or the belief that what is written in a holy book is completely true.
I'm a fundamentalist, and that means I'm totally against terrorism and I'm totally against killing civilians (let's not say innocent people). Terrorists aren't fundamentalists, it has never happened in the history of Muslim leaders that such massacres were made. I don't know who fooled the world to think that islamic fundamentalism is terrorism. You shouldn't call them fundamentalists, they shouldn't think of themselves as fundamentalists.
My fundamentalism means I believe what's in the Qur'an is true, and that's good - for your sake.
3 - Women : Since you've judged that Islam has led the Afghans to enslave women, give me your evidence Islam ordered/instructed them to do so (verses from the Qur'an or sayings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) )
I've seen a frame of the video tape containing one that's supposed to be the supspect, and the real photo of the supspect. They look absolutely different from each other.Quote:
<Witch_King>
We have video tape of them getting into the plane. The took flight training lessons in the USA.
Anyway, around 700 muslims have been killed there. Whoever's done it is either not a muslim, or is just a muslim by id card (i.e doesn't represent Islam)
Indeed. Those terrorists claim to be muslims, to judge that you'd have to check their actions against the Islam's written laws (found in Qur'an & Sunnah). If anybody tries that, he'll find that those people are completely against Islamic teachings.Quote:
<steve_i83>
the muslim religion is not that extremist
And by the way, in psychology there's this personality known as 'extremist'. It has nothing to do with the religion or faith, it's a presonality that wherever put (in any conditions/medium) would go to the extreme. If witch king is always like that, then he's an extremist and he can be easily converted to a terrorist give the correct medium.
A tough situation! How'd you expect them to hand Bin Laden then? If they trusted you, they would've handed him, but they don't.Quote:
<Nick>
The evidence is of the kind where by disclosing the source would lead to trouble. The US as had it's eyes on Bin Ladden for along time, he has also already been convicted of other crimes.
Many people here don't trust you, myself included. Don't get me wrong, but don't expect me to trust a country like U.S.A given all its actions around me, against me. We treat you with caution, hoping that - with your power - you'd make things right, but most of the time you don't.
By the way, if the U.S.A had its eyes on Bin Laden and is so sharp-eyed, how come they didn't stop the attack? I recall the someone said (from the C.I.A maybe, a long while ago) that they knew the color of Saddam's underwear. Now I wonder how they couldn't spot the plane-crash thing.
Hmmm, I know about the F-15's. I was speaking of an automatic air defense system that's supposed to counter any planes entering the Pentagon's air field.Quote:
<Nick>
Untrue. We scrambled the f15's to possibly shoot down the commercial airliner in washington but too late.
Please correct me Nick (and thank you very much for your reasonable, respectable post. Much appreciated :))
Well, to some extent it is. The Palestine-Israel problem is a huge one, and could take discussions alone. It all started from a religious aspect, Jews claiming rights to the land promised to them in the Torah (old testament) & Belfour of England promised to give them land in Palestine! (so it was started by England and many other European countries that supported Israel). Israel was founded in 1948 taking 54% of the land of Palestine(!!!) while the palestinians took 46% only.Quote:
<Witch_King>
The battle in Israel is not about ethnic cleansing. It is a religious war.
Palestinians are now fighting for their land (imagine someone claiming part of your land and founding a country in it, even if you're atheist you'd fight. It's your land).
Israel wants to fulfill the promise of the "land from the Euphrates to the river Nile", also found in the Torah. in 1967 they launched an attack against Egypt, and effectively invaded Sinai (Moshe Dyan, minister of Defense of Israel, said after the attack that they're the people of the Torah, and that they've to take the land the Torah promises them). Egypt launched an attack in 1973 reclaiming most of the land, then there was the cease-fire and we got the rest peacefully.
Why don't you try walking in his shoes? Think as if you're Bin Laden, the U.S.A is poking its nose in everything here, and in an unfair way too. He's an extremist, he hates U.S.A, and he became a terrorist.Quote:
<Witch_King>
Bin Laden is a terrorist. He admits it. I don't trust the guy. It looks like they are going to kill him one way or another. I think he needs to die, but that is just the beginning. Every terrorist in the world needs to die. All terrorist camps on earth need to be destroyed. Any government that harbors terrorists needs to be destroyed. That's the nice way. We could use nuclear weapons but we aren't going to. But than again it could happen.
Now, I'm not saying he's right or that it's OK to become a terrorist for such reasons. All I'm saying is that we should search for the root of the terrorism tree, the terrorism generator.
Why was the U.S.A attacked? Why not any other country?
You know, Some american journalists said that it's a battle against democracy, freedom, power, technology,.... to the end of such nonesense. Could this be the reason? Could this drive someone to bombard himself? I don't think so.
As far as I see, it's the american policy that's generating all this terrorism. Indeed the U.S.A is the most powerful, but if it had used its powers in a fair way noone would've done such attacks.
If you destroy all the terrorist camps on earth you'll have peace for several years, until the next generation of terrorists comes.
Go for the source, Be FAIR (and at the same time, punish the terrorists)
Ironically, criminals that have power and money are the judges. Only poor criminals are executed.Quote:
<Witch_King>
When you get rid of your stinking criminals than we all can have a good life. I don't see why the middle east can't become more technologically advanced and wealthy.
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We live in a civilized world, at least I do.
The middle east is the biggest weapon market, rich countries sell undeveloped countries (3rd world countries or Stupid countries, call it as you like) weapons so that they kill each other and become more poor. While the rich become more rich, and then blame the poor for fighting in such a barbaric way, or more precisely blame it on their religions!
Where is this civilized world? I don't see it!
Isn't the U.S.A a criminal? Look at what they've done to the (1)Indians (2)Japan (Hiroshima & Nagazaki) (3)Vietnam (4)Iraq (A nation killed for its leader) (5)Palestine (6)Egypt (in the war of 1973, when we're reclaiming our land. We attacked on the 6th of october and successfully destroyed most of the Israelian armies in our land, on 14th october U.S.A supplied Israel by a huge air force that was simply too much for us to bear, the U.S force eradicated a whole tank legion (which was without air cover), a tank legion that's freeing the land of Egypt, conquered by Israel)
What about England? England enslaved half of this world, it's advancement is built on other countries' shoulders. When they invaded Egypt, they took all our richs for themselves. High-Salary jobs were for the English only. We've been conquered for so many years (70-80), England stole those years from us. How can we get them back? If we had a chance to live free all those years, many things would have changed.
(I don't hold anything against anyone from the UK now, sins aren't inherited. I'm just saying that no one's that clean. We should know ourselves better before blaming others)
France did the same thing here, Italy too.
What about the slaves from Africa? The miserable continent? Has U.S or Europe paid for that?
Where is the rich world going to sell weapons then?Quote:
<Witch_King>
That would be great if that section of earth fell off into the ocean and became submerged.
Man, you remind me of some Queen that told the hungry people to eat biscuits/cake (can anyone remind me of her name please?). You don't see things from our side, maybe you have the tools but we don't.Quote:
<Witch_King>
There are plenty of tools and education available now in the world that we do not need to babysit a nation or a race of people. I don't see why they can't pick up like the Japaneese and take their share of benefits.
Tools need money, money doesn't pop out of thin air (and we have loans, you know). And we're not allowed to buy many things, there is something known as forbidden technology that we can't be allowed to have.
Commerce and space exploration agreed. Now what's that about human rights and freedoms? Maybe you meant "The american/israelian human's rights" & chaos (instead of freedom)?Quote:
<Witch_King>
commerce, space exploration, and human rights and freedoms. At this stage the USA is the workhorse for most of this.
The world will live with or without America, no one (and no country) is important enough to stop life. Maybe it'd be better, who knows?!
Sadly, this is untrue. The medecine would've travelled here with extremely high prices (given that it's going to travel). Many kinds of medicine aren't sold here, and we've to buy them from outside with extremely high prices.Quote:
<Witch_King>
All that medicine would have traveled to the Middle East, we would have all benefited from it.
Examples please, what religions/countries are you talking about. Of all the religions I've known and read about, there's only one that orders people to conquer and kill and consider themselves a higher race.Quote:
<Series X4 1_0>
all the countries that are controlled by dangerous, primitive religions and beliefs, because they can't keep them for themselves. Some religons clearly says that to die in the "holy war" is their highest wish. They see everybody who are not like themselves as Satan (which means the rest of the world).
I'm saying this because most people judge religions without knowing anything about them, so don't get me wrong.
1 - This reminds me of something Hitler said about the black people.Quote:
<Series X4 1_0>
We should be glad that they are like monkeys over there - they don't know what a computer is. Their laws are like the ones we had thousands of years ago
They're not like monkeys, and if they were you should've been sorry and should've felt ashamed of yourself for laughing at them instead of helping them.
2 - I'd like to know what you know about their laws.
We're all brothers, we should help & guide each other.
700 muslims did not die in the wtc attacks, a much smaller number is more likely. New york`s bussiness district has ALOT of jews, they have a muesem not blocks away from the attack site.
I dont believe that Islam is evil...
America has obligation to nobody, we are a christian nation and we choose to have an obligation to Isreal, because they are Gods "chosen" people, and they are also the only democracy in the middle east.
Isreal says, we are already successfull, and if you help us we will do things your way.
Most arab states(not all) say, we are not successfull, and if you are going to help us you will do it our way.
Isreal, does not make it policy to kill civilians. Can you say the same about Palestine. Oh? what about the 6 day war, wouldnt want to get that little skirmish in the records now would we coder?
Yes, egypt attacked isreal, isreal attacks back, egypt attacks back, everyone blames isreal Funny isnt it?
first you say that the hijackers were not muslims, then you say they werent very good muslims.
"Israel was founded in 1948 taking 54% of the land of Palestine(!!!) while the palestinians took 46% only. "
considering that the major ethniticity in those parts of palestine were Jewish, it is no wonder they no longer wanted to be oppressed by Islamic made laws.
(1)Indians - indians died mostly from diseases
(2)Japan (Hiroshima & Nagazaki) - military towns, 1 million deaths estimated on both sides otherwise
(3)Vietnam- country cried for help, we failed
(4)Iraq (A nation killed for its leader) - a leader that was developing weapons to kill people like me.
(5)Palestine - lol
(6)Egypt - right....
dont talk about the fact that america sends more food to 3rd world countrys then the rest of the world combined!
"We're all brothers, we should help & guide each other."
- and invade isreal for wanting independence.
Do not forget that 2000 years ago isreal was in control by the jews, arabs took it over, so shut the hell up moron!
"1 - This reminds me of something Hitler said about the black people.
They're not like monkeys, and if they were you should've been sorry and should've felt ashamed of yourself for laughing at them instead of helping them. "
heh, I didnt read this part, but this is your biggest mistake EVER.
now if I remember right(which I do) Hitler tried invading Arab states for oil, britain the country that created Isreal, defended these places. If it werent for britain, your life would consist of concentration camps, and a feeling of inferiority. British people died for arabs... the same people that have no respect.
Britain during world war 2, could have easly joined Hitler, ensuring victory, why? Britain is made up of an aryan people.
in 1963 egypt invaded isreal.... read up on history... and not selectivly.
these terrorist attacks were not about isreal, they were about saudi arabia, if in fact it was the falt of Osama Bin laden, which even the pakistani government(an arab nation) believes. Osama bin laden is angry because america is inside Saudi Arabia collecting oil. This is funny, because we helped liberate afghanistan from russia
>The middle east is the biggest weapon market, rich countries sell undeveloped countries (3rd world countries or Stupid countries, call it as you like) weapons so that they kill each other and become more poor. While the rich become more rich, and then blame the poor for fighting in such a barbaric way, or more precisely blame it on their religions!
Where is this civilized world? I don't see it! <
OK let me get this straight we sell the middle east weapons to Protect themselves and they kill each other instead. But we are at fault.
Koshare summed everything else up pretty well.
>America has obligation to nobody, we are a christian nation and we choose to have an obligation to Isreal, because they are Gods "chosen" people, and they are also the only democracy in the middle east. <
LOL. Its going to be a long long long long time before the majority of this country develops some intelligence.
hehe - if you hate him now Recycle Bin (hah! no *nix for you!) then you would've killed him during the famed linux argument.
wasn't it something like "I'd jump on you and start pounding, business suit and all..Then I'd run you over with my 4x4 as jeeves washes my million dollar house" ~ sorry to dredge up the past, but it was hilarious.
True in most cases. I just want to laugh my head off when my mom starts saying stuff about what happened, 'cuz she makes it sound like we're this huge virgin country - all pur and sweet, never committed terrorist acts against another country. Yeh right. But That doesn't mean that we're all like that..hell, and I'm only 15. I mean, I love my country and all, but we're not *totally* innocent. maybe those people who died were (which is what ........es us off most...) but their government wasn't totally without sin. Then again, everyone makes mistakes. We've made ours already (not that we'll never make more :)). We've paid dearly. Now the people who forced us to pay are gonna have to answer in triplicate.Quote:
Someone thinking of anything else then Greece when he hears
Athens is probably quite uninformed. And to tell the truth, I
have never seen a citizen of a civilized country to be as
uninformed about world geography and politics as the average
american. You guys don't even care about what is going on
outside you little country, until it happens to scratch your own
interests. And most of you don't even know where your
interests lie. You probably know all your forty-something
presidents, but you know **** about how the world looks
outside of your own borders.
You are a super power... but you are not alone, and you should
better watch your step. Don't step on too many peoples toes
while stumbling around.
have you ever heard of the Crusades?Quote:
You might notice, that wars are never fought because of
religion.
did you know how much money was plunder during the crusades, it may have been blamed on by religion... but look at this saying from the crusades
"Kill a jew save your soul"
now, anybody that goes around saying they are christians, wanting to kill for money, and on top of that wanting to kill a jew, are definitly not following the rules set forth by God and Jesus.
"rue in most cases. I just want to laugh my head off when my mom starts saying stuff about what happened, 'cuz she makes it sound like we're this huge virgin country - all pur and sweet, never committed terrorist acts against another country. Yeh right. But That doesn't mean that we're all like that..hell, and I'm only 15. I mean, I love my country and all, but we're not *totally* innocent. maybe those people who died were (which is what ........es us off most...) but their government wasn't totally without sin. Then again, everyone makes mistakes. We've made ours already (not that we'll never make more ). We've paid dearly. Now the people who forced us to pay are gonna have to answer in triplicate."
you made some very good points, america has done wrong, but we try to make things right... Even if along the way we do more wrong things.
"LOL. Its going to be a long long long long time before the majority of this country develops some intelligence."
opinion has little to do with intelligence, mostly wisdom.
if a nation was Chritian\Jewish or a democracy, I will look upon them for guidance, as they do me. If a country is ran by a tyrant we are not going to feel to happy.
Remember always, that Islam is built of Judaism, and says that Arabs are the superiors. The torah says that Jews have more responsiblity and hardships to endure.
"You guys don't even care about what is going on
outside you little country, until it happens to scratch your own
interests."
actually, that is what you would like to believe. I have cared about the happenings in the UN (durban in particular you do know what durban is oh wise man?)
and for one thing, much more happens in america in a single day then any country in europe. America, Japan, UK, Russia, Germany, and China are the worlds most important countrys. I plan on learning Japanese and German in the forseeable future.
did you know I lived on the Navajo Indian reservation for 2 years? I have lived in the equavalent of a third world country. Phones take 6 months to install, no tv whatsoever except 1 channel. Alcohol is illegal, 60% of the population are alcholics. What happened to me there was interesting. My mom was a counselour at the most prestigious school in the Indian reservation. The navajos wanted their own people to teach there, but as most that actually had educations wanted out, the salary for counselours was ridiculous. Anyways, I could drag on... A town of 4000 people is where I lived only 100 or so where not Navajo, when I left the town, 5 White people were dead(they killed their dogs too out of spite) from Navajos wanting white people to stop teaching at the schools. I saw more in those 2 years then you will ever see in your lifetime. I lived in a world that dogs with rabies were a common sight, drug users/alcoholics where more common then the average citizen. I even once saw a car that was right behind my moms get hit by a Cow, the person surived, but if you have ever seen a car run into a cow you wont need to see anything else in your life to be shocked.
lol,didnt hear about that, likely that they had their reasons as America would frown on an unprovoked attack. And since we seem to be going continually farther in history lets talk about Egyptians enslaving the Isrealie people 5000 years ago. Lets talk about Germany, Russia, Britain, Egypt, and any other country in the past 100 years that invaded another country. Lets talk about Southern Plantation owners in america.
America is not a virgin country.
Isreal is not a virgin country.
Egypt is not a virgin country.
Lets all get over it. or not....
1929 Hebron Jews massacred by Arab militants.
1936-39 Anti-Jewish riots instigated by Arab militants.
1939-45 World War II; Holocaust in Europe.
1947 UN proposes the establishment of Arab and Jewish states in the Land.
1948- End of British Mandate (14 May)
State of Israel proclaimed (14 May).
Israel invaded by five Arab states (15 May)
War of Independence (May 1948-July 1949)
Israel Defense Forces (IDF) established
hmmm, on day after Isreal was established it was attacked by 5 Arab states, do I win? I dont think you can go back any farther if the country wasnt established (unless you go back 1000 years)
ok, lets continue....
1949 Armistice agreements signed with Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon.
Jerusalem divided under Israeli and Jordanian rule.
First Knesset (parliament) elected.
Israel admitted to United Nations as 59th member.
1948-52 Mass immigration from Europe and Arab countries.
1956 Sinai Campaign
1962 Adolf Eichmann tried and executed in Israel for his part in the Holocaust.
1964 National Water Carrier completed, bringing water from Lake Kinneret in the north to the semi-arid south.
1967 Six-Day War, Jerusalem reunited.
1968-70 Egypt's War of Attrition against Israel
1973 Yom Kippur War
1975 Israel becomes an associate member of the European Common Market.
1977 Likud forms government after Knesset elections, end of 30 years of Labor rule.
Visit of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat to Jerusalem.
1978 Camp David Accords include framework for comprehensive peace in the Middle East and proposal for Palestinian self-government.
1979 Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty signed.
Prime Minister Menachem Begin and President Anwar Sadat awarded Nobel Peace Prize.
1981 Israel Air Force destroys Iraqi nuclear reactor just before it is to become operative.
1982 Israel's three-stage withdrawal from Sinai completed.
Operation Peace for Galilee removes PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) terrorists from Lebanon.
1984 National unity government (Llikud and Labor) formed after elections.
Operation Moses, immigration of Jews from Ethiopia.
1985 Free Trade Agreement signed with United States.
1987 Widespread violence (intifada) starts in Israeli-administered areas.
1988 Likud government in power following elections.
1989 Four-point peace initiative proposed by Israel.
Start of mass immigration of Jews from former Soviet Union.
1991 Israel attacked by Iraqi Scud missiles during Gulf war.
Middle East peace conference convened in Madrid;
Operation Solomon, airlift of Jews from Ethiopia.
1992 Diplomatic relations established with China and India.
New government headed by Yitzhak Rabin of Labor party.
1993 Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements for the Palestinians signed by Israel and PLO, as representative of the Palestinian people.
1994 Implementation of Palestinian self-government in Gaza Strip and Jericho area.
Full diplomatic relations with the Holy See.
Morocco and Tunisia interest offices set up.
Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty signed.
Rabin, Peres, Arafat awarded Nobel Peace Prize.
1995 Broadened Palestinian self-government implemented in West Bank and Gaza Strip; Palestinian Council elected.
Prime Minister Rabin assassinated at peace rally.
Shimon Peres becomes prime minister.
1996 Fundamentalist Arab terrorism against Israel escalates.
Operation Grapes of Wrath, retaliation for Hizbullah terrorists' attacks on northern Israel.
Trade representation offices set up in Oman and Qatar.
Likud forms government after Knesset elections.
Benjamin Netanyahu becomes prime minister.
Omani trade representation office opened in Tel Aviv.
1997 Hebron Protocol signed by Israel and the PA.
1998 Israel celebrates its 50th anniversary.
Israel and the PLO sign the Wye River Memorandum to facilitate implementation of the Interim Agreement.
it is bad when a nationality that has around 300 million members doesnt have its own country, and when it wants its own country the size of New Jersey, in a land where the majority of it is already Jewish it is too bad.
I win, do I get a sticker?
http://www.israel.org/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00kt0
steve_i83 get up on your facts before accusing me of not knowing mine....
oh, I read up some more on world history, Isreal was the first country ever attacked 1 day after it was established, this led to occupation of parts of Isreal. Isreal got help, and it seems the world did not care what Isreal did in retaliation.
sorry, didnt realise I wasnt logged in last two posts where from me.
The best religion is the Tuxism(not registered yet).
We (well there's two of us now, but I hope this religion will spread allover the Earth) don't care about other religions, because there's always a small Tux in each of us...
Praise the Great Tux!!!
LOL