you probably already know this, but if you drink 100% alcohol, you will go temporarily blind until the alcohol passes out of your system.
Printable View
you probably already know this, but if you drink 100% alcohol, you will go temporarily blind until the alcohol passes out of your system.
wow, are you serious? what quantity? i wanna try this! oh wait, no i can't, it's alchohol... dang... where can i find information on this blindness inducing inductant? i've always been curious about blindness...
will you also get drunk???
no, not necessarily, that definately depends on the amount of 200 proof you consume...
Whoa!!! btw doubleanti, why cant you drink, you allegric or something.
one of my friend's friends did it while he was around and was blind for 12+ hours because of it. I think this could be after you drink a shot or two, but i'm not sure.
Most people would just pass out cold after a shot or two of straight alcohol if not from the alcohol itself, but from the horrid taste and throat burning power.
>>allegric
damnit i told you already, i don't use Allegro, it's all DIY!!! :)
no i'm not... i don't drink is all... by the way, how old do you think i am?
Straight alcohol, now that takes balls.
drinking a 100% alcohol? nutss!
couple whisky that is 40% , and im outta theree. .
how can one drink straight 100% alc? impossible. that will burn your tummy . .
>>if you drink 100% alcohol, you will go temporarily blind until the alcohol passes out of your system.
No. No you wont.
>>Straight alcohol, now that takes balls.
Yes, and it also knocks them straight off. Someone mentioned a burning taste... They've barely begun to describe... Ever tasted gasoline? Lets just say that I'd rather drink that then have another double of 200 proof again... Seriously people, you really dont want to try it. I was worshipping the Porcelin God for hours.
aran elus,
i don't know where you heard that...maybe some baptist group or something, but it's just not true. methanol, not grain alchohol is toxic. not the kind you drink, idiot..
who knows, maybe my friend's "200 proof alcohol" was in fact laced with methanol?
why don't you go and sit in the middle of traffic.
i hope you're not glorifying this stuff. a close friend of mine passed out one night drinking this mexican everclear stuff. we brought him home and what not and left him on the sofa. when his father found him the next day (dead) his face was so deformed from alcohol poisoning that his own father couldn't recognize his face. don't mess with this stuff, there's better ways of passing the time.
>>i hope you're not glorifying this stuff
No offence, but its harmless in moderation. Drinking wont give you alcohol poisoning. Drinking one helluva lot will give you alcohol poisoning. Tylenol is good for headaches. An entire bottle of Tylenol...?
Know your limit. And I mean actually know it. Some people arent able to know their limit. By the time they get there, they've passed the point where they're able to make rational decisions. Hopefully then you have one of those annoying friends that takes your keys and beats you up until you go to sleep on his floor. Fun is fun. Killing someone (or dying yourself) is not.
I've been known to go out and get absolutly **** faced, but you wont find me behind the wheel, out fighting on the street, yelling at the waitress, puking on the sidewalk, whatever, etc etc etc. Responsability isnt something that comes automatically when you turn 19 (21 some places) as the gov seems to think.
>>I was worshipping the Porcelin God for hours.
As we say "Driving the porcelin bus" or "having a technicolour yawn"
Methanol causes blindness. Is byproduct of incorrect distilation. Can be tested for by evaporating teaspoon of liquor. If leaves brown/black residue do not drink.
Everclear...Sweet Jesus. *shudders at the memories*
When I was at uni doing Microbiology/Molecular biology we bred a form of brewing yeast that could survive alchol at over 25%. (normal is around 14-17%)
Made 'swampland lager' at 23%.
Only once though, you learn from your mistakes. Would cut right thru you the next day.
I think there was a M.A.S.H. episode about this.
Just don't EVER mix a substantial amount of beer and alcohol together, they don't go together really nice. TRUST ME. I don't really know why though. But it will make you feel really bad.
"Beer before liquor, you'll never be sicker;
Liquor before beer, have no fear"
Duh.
anyhow, I'm agreeing with l@d here. In moderation, in moderation, in moderation. I mean, I've been really f'ed in the past, but I could always figure out when I really needed to stop before I killed myself, and I could always keep myself under enough control to keep myself out of trouble (and out of cuffs :))
If you know that theres a possibility that drinking could harm you....
Why even drink? Isnt that kind of stupid?
And drinking in "moderation", if you have to be soo careful as too how much you drink... HELLO PPL.
No one HAS to drink, i mean if they dont get addicted.
not only do i not drink; i cannot drink. i used to drink. quit more than ten years ago...i tried to start back up and i couldn't. i get migraines and chest pains when i do.
"If you know that theres a possibility that drinking could harm you....
Why even drink? Isnt that kind of stupid? "
There's a possiblity that walking outside could harm you...
great . . . now we got a "i got so drunk dude" thread going.
i'm not doubting this, i only wish 200 proof was not lauded to the kiddies as a good time. in all honesty, i'd push cocain before everclear and the like; at least with the harder drugs ther's a gradual progression toward trouble and in all liklyhood there would be someone experienced with you to "guide", so to speak. alcohol comes in a bottle, anyone can overdose, but how many 13-year-olds know how to correctly prick a vein?Quote:
No offence, but its harmless in moderation.
just skip the everclear and grab some lady bombay instead . . . another useless minute spent ranting
i never drink, btw, i think that alcohol is a rather unfrienly tasting substance... i don't drink it because of that.
I use logic and reasoning where others do it just to be a rebel, go fig(newton).
the taste improves with every glassss...it still sux. takes away your inhibitions; makes you do and say things you wouldn't normally do under sober circumstances...i'm one of those whose personality changes when i'm drunk...i become kind of psychotic in a way...i don't miss it at all. i quit cold turkey...and it isn't difficult to get others to do the same...i could go into it sometime...as usual, i'm not in the mood right now. basically though...to quit it...you need to disassociate yourself from your drunkard friends until you get it together. find hobbies e.g. amateur astronomy, take up a movie downtown once every week...drink only on weekends, then make it only once every month...then only on holidays. once it's out of your system, you'll begin to realize that it isn't the non-drinking world that's out of touch...and corny...etc...it was YOU...because you were chemically addicted and you didn't realize it. if you get started back up once you've quit...only drink for a solid month...if that fails, make it two months, increments of one month; that way you can look back after you quit again and say to yourself...i took it back up for e.g. 3 months back in 2002...and i haven't touched it since....it's psychological...and yes, i learned this in the twilight zone...i.e. from within.....my own method.
:rolleyes: seriously.
I'm only 15, but believe it or not I have drinken...oh what a surprise lol. I started to drink about 2 years ago and as time went on i started to drink a little more frequently but still not that often at all and then sometime in last november i got stupid. i drank 3 beers and 10 shots of rum in about a 2 and a half hour span...I'm not sure if this sounds like much to some of you but it was for me. i got so incredibly messed up. after that i said i would never drink again which i didn't...until a few weekends ago when i started to drink. actually enough, though, i took about one or two drinks and i became so repulsed from it. everytime i think about alcohol since that night i get grossed out. even more so now i have no desire to drink. so i guess in all reality getting messed up that night actually had an upside...i don't have any desire to drink.
Boy you guys need help :o
What sets me apart from you that makes me need 'help'?Quote:
Boy you guys need help
well that wasnt aimed at you tech, just evry body in general.
I have never touched a beer or anything and dont plan too.
It just seems stupid to drink some thing that could harm you in such a way.
kids should NEVER touch alcohol or illegal drugs. i just thought it would be a good idea to make that point...even though it's the obvious...because of my prior message. no offense, tech...i thought we were all adults. & that's right, vicious...alcohol is a dangerous drug.
Heh how old is a "kid"?
I'm 14 and i've drunken like heaps and not gotten drunk ...much...at a few parties with people who are older than me which i go to with a friend of mine who is my age, well, my friend didn't wanna drink and was tryin to stop me from repeatedy mixing orange juice and goon. Before that i was drinking pre-mixed vodka. And this mexican guy with mexican clothes kept giving me beers... Hey, once I went to a party on a Sunday night and had to go to school on the Monday and that day for school i wore my uniform instide out becuase I was still a bit tipsy ... what was I talking about again?
Well I say drinking (alcohol) is bad and should not be done at all...same for drugs, caffiene, and all other manner of unhealthy substances.
I'm addicted to PC games and thats enough for me.
napKIN
I don't mean to sound "holier-than-thou" or like your mother, they're just my opinions.
I went to the bar last night after my grad ceremony. I had three beers (microbrews) with my wife and some friends. I drank water for three hours, drove quite safely home, and had a wonderful evening with my wife. All in all, it was a good time... the beer tasted good with our food... and I regret none of it.
L@D is correct... moderation and responsibility are important aspects in all things. At 28 years old, I have had many hangovers in my life and done many risky things not involving drugs or alcohol. If you can abstain from dangerous situations... more power to you, but I will tell you what I look for in seasoned people... experience. I will not teach my children not to drink... but I will teach them to be careful, responsible, and respectful. I will not deny them the experience.
For everything good in life, there is an equally important bad aspect. Happiness is contrasted appropriately with sadness, bliss with pain, meloncholy with anger, etc. To deny any is to lead a sheltered life. I do not honor sheltered people........ and I never will.
drinking responsibly is not a big deal to me, if you know your limits and drink responsibly and know what you're doing it's not THAT bad. I mean I much rather drink than do weed or anything like that even though some of my friends say weed is better than alcohol I will probably never agree with this.
by better I mean less harmful to your body and less dangerous for you and others.
:::re: How old is a kid:::::
anyone who drinks is still as immature as a kid!
I'll probably drink no matter what y'all say...
Quote:
Originally posted by -KEN-
I'll probably drink no matter what y'all say...
LMAO beats doing weed to me, as long as we do it responsibly and not over do it, it should be ok, my new plan is to drink a little bit but not enough to get drunk.
"anyone who drinks is still as immature as a kid!"
You want to what i think? You are a fool.
I say **** it, life is about experiencing things, thats all you get to do, our 80 years or so of life is over in a flash, and thats it.
So do everything, try everything, of course know the risks, know the consequences for your actions, and decide what you want to do.
Everyone sets their own risks in life; you might tell me that you don't take any risks, but thats a complete lie, everytime you get into a car, you're taking a risk, everytime you walk in the street you're taking a risk. We each set how much risk we wish to undertake and for what purpose.
People go travelling in Africa and can wind up dying of tropical diseases, people get killed in car crashes.
You never know when you might get struck down. Life live while you can, thats whats i say.
Of course don't be stupid and damage anyone else.
k, u can live your own life, and expreince anything you won't so long as it doesn t affect annyone else. alcohol does. u say drink responsibly, but if you drink a bit to much and you get drunk, then no matter how responsible you are sober, you could easily step into a car, and kill some kid. if you get drunk and you start taking things out on freinds/family, then you affect them, the only responsible drinking, is in a isolated, padlocked from the outside, rubber room. (like the ones in instatutes.)
>you might tell me that you don't take any risks,
security is what we might seek. but just the same, life is fun and you can do whatever you like, go whereever you like, and you can really help others too... and don't ever decide you're over the hill either... whenever you feel your lifes a bore, just... hmm... join the military, they will use you as much as your abilities [and desires, if you place high enough...] are useful...
clyde, those opening sentences might have prompted me to wonder why you were so reckless... but after your summation [and reassurance] beware... reckless introduction is reckless nonetheless... be it insignficant... oh and by the, please refrain from the usage of asterisks in your post, my mod stick is by my side... :)
have a nice day! :)
", u can live your own life, and expreince anything you won't so long as it doesn t affect annyone else. alcohol does. u say drink responsibly, but if you drink a bit to much and you get drunk, then no matter how responsible you are sober, you could easily step into a car, and kill some kid"
Bollocks, doesn't matter how drunk I am, i'll NEVER EVER, drive when i'm over the limit.
"if you get drunk and you start taking things out on freinds/family, then you affect them, the only responsible drinking, is in a isolated, padlocked from the outside, rubber room. (like the ones in instatutes.)"
That depends on the person, IF they affect other people in a negative way then I agree, that's bad, they shouldn't drink if thats the case, but not everyone is like that.
"security is what we might seek. but just the same, life is fun and you can do whatever you like, go whereever you like, and you can really help others too... and don't ever decide you're over the hill either... whenever you feel your lifes a bore, just... hmm... join the military, they will use you as much as your abilities [and desires, if you place high enough...] are useful... "
Join the military!?
"clyde, those opening sentences might have prompted me to wonder why you were so reckless... but after your summation [and reassurance] beware... reckless introduction is reckless nonetheless... be it insignficant... oh and by the, please refrain from the usage of asterisks in your post, my mod stick is by my side... "
Sorry about the asterisks, (bleh down with censorship! :P), about reckless... reckless is in the eye the beholder, as I said everyone sets their own level of risk. One can minimise the risks at the expense of losing the experiences, likewise one can maximise the experiences at the cost of incredable risk. We all set are own levels somewhere inbetween:
If i want to become a grand prix racer, I know, i might end up like Senna, thats a risk I accept, when I parachute, I know there is a (extremely unlikely) risk that the chute won't open, or that i might somehow screw up, the same with bungee jumping, and the same with alchohol/any other drug.
i understand your points but you said life is crap or the world is or whatever and you need to get away from it all and stuff....
that is a stupid excuse, yea this world does stink, and life also, but you have to choices in life:
1. you sit by and hate your life/ your world and try and get away and pretend your not apart of it.
2. or, you can live to make it a better world, so there is less misery, more fun, and generations after won't have to live there life the way some have had to.
about that... some people think this world is very nice... of course it's what you make it... but how can you say that it sucks, compared to what world? if anything, this world is great... especially if you live in particular places where you have your freedoms...
>Join the military!?
is that sarcasm? if so, then i would like an explaination... i meant that seriously, and if you don't make your time in the military worth while and you don't build upon something, you cannot blame it... if that wasn't sarcasm, then... thank you...
and we aren't debating whether or not we know that we have the choice, or that we lie in between, that's established... what then, are we debating? where to stand, i presume?
the eye of the beholder is the world's excuse... let's not unseat responsibility... and lets not fight for our own interests so much either... seek to meet good people, and share your love and life and bond with those who will understand you after years and years... fortunately enough i've found one, no matter how far she goes... so... that helps so far as your purpose... if you don't do it for yourself, do it for someone else who you know wouldn't let you down...
why, ok what has the army done. but kill. for corperate interest. i think we owe it to the world to live to make it better. how can you sit there in your cozy home, saying the world does not suck. when over the seas in china, and below the border in mexico, what america really represents (corperate interest) is shown brutaly in the sweat shops. life sucks for the people/familys enslaved by the companys that the army protects. this country no longer represents the citizents but the corperate interests. and i don't know why. America is the largest manufacturer and exporter of weapons. some of these companies have sold to the taliban, and iraq. we as the most richest, and strongest country should use the power to make peace not war. to demilitarize the world. hate doesnt' solve hate.t this world does suck i don't care what you say, as long as there is hate that strong that someone like nike can just go and pay people 50 cents aday, and sell to us. if huge companys can sit back sell guns to both the enemy and the allies and watch the violence. one of the world largest weapons co. is in america, it owns AOL/TIME/Warner, where you get most of your news. propagana to keep you quite.
Stand up and fight to make this world enjoyable for everyone :
a quote from an anti-flag song:
"They were arrested for there views, it was the protesters they screwed but still they had the nerve to ask who i was voting for, when you silence our youth you silence the trueth our right not to remain, silent."
&
"as the richest nation in the world we got a responsability...
veiques porterico , part home to the native familys the rest a navy bombing RANGE, and shells misfired kills civilians there...."
"i understand your points but you said life is crap or the world is or whatever and you need to get away from it all and stuff.... "
I don't think life is crap at all, i think life is wonderfull. I want to experience everything I can.
"is that sarcasm? if so, then i would like an explaination... i meant that seriously, and if you don't make your time in the military worth while and you don't build upon something, you cannot blame it... if that wasn't sarcasm, then... thank you... "
I'm afraid it was. Personally I don't really want the experience of learning how to kill people. That's one i can do without thanks.
"and we aren't debating whether or not we know that we have the choice, or that we lie in between, that's established... what then, are we debating? where to stand, i presume? "
I'm arguing that people have a right to choose where to stand and not be judged for it.
"the eye of the beholder is the world's excuse... let's not unseat responsibility... and lets not fight for our own interests so much either... seek to meet good people, and share your love and life and bond with those who will understand you after years and years... fortunately enough i've found one, no matter how far she goes... so... that helps so far as your purpose... if you don't do it for yourself, do it for someone else who you know wouldn't let you down..."
Eh? Excuse? So you think that "reckless" is objective!???
Responsibility? To whom? I'm not in favour of doing anything what-so-ever that harms anyone else.
Oh, and I was right, you're male :)
god there are some goddamn anally retentive do gooding weenies on here.....
"don't drink its evil, don't drink its harmful, people who drink are immature, people who drink crash their cars...(course they do, how can you drive when you're drunk?? get a goddamn taxi !!!) blah blah blah blah......"
good grief!!!
and actually, its a scientific FACT that drinking in moderation is GOOD for you !!!!!!! do ya hear GOOD for you !!!
it tastes great, its nice, it goes down great with a meal, it makes you feel good...
for responsible adults its great.....
and another thing, weed is harmless unless you smoke it, then it gives you cancer......
and stop slagging the military off, they are necessary, there are some NASTY people out there....did u want to be a Nazi, a communist, a muslim .....???????
Responsibility? To whom? I'm not in favour of doing anything what-so-ever that harms anyone else.
---right on
>why, ok what has the army done. but kill. for corperate interest.
American Revolaton
War of 1812
Spanish Amrican War
World War I
World War II
Korea
Do I need to add more?
>i think we owe it to the world to live to make it better.
That is true.
> how can you sit there in your cozy home, saying the world does not suck.<
Cause it dosn't suck
> when over the seas in china, and below the border in mexico, what america really represents (corperate interest) is shown brutaly in the sweat shops. life sucks for the people/familys enslaved by the companys that the army protects. <
The Nike in china was in 1990 over ten years ago. Give me links to slave labor that is currently happening.
Also if you think the workers need better working condtions blame the countries goverment. If there are two commpanies and one treats it's workers fairly, and another treats them like scum the scum treating commpany has larger profits, and might force the other one out of bussness or to change it's working condtions to stay in bussness. Goverment forces companies not to be scum
>this country no longer represents the citizents but the corperate interests. and i don't know why.<
Acctualy that would be special intrest.
>America is the largest manufacturer and exporter of weapons. some of these companies have sold to the taliban, and iraq. we as the most richest, and strongest country should use the power to make peace not war. to demilitarize the world. hate doesnt' solve hate.t<
First we sold weapons to the taliban when they were fighting the Soviet Union, and we sold them to Iraq when they were fighting Iran. Saying that this was wrong idea is the same as saying we should have not sold weapons to Great Briten in world war I and II.
Ok so in your option it is better to be oppressed, for someone else people to commit genocide, to destroy you then to fight for just causes.
Violance != hate. People who hate never look at what is right, only what they belive is right.
> this world does suck i don't care what you say, as long as there is hate that strong that someone like nike can just go and pay people 50 cents aday, and sell to us. if huge companys can sit back sell guns to both the enemy and the allies and watch the violence. one of the world largest weapons co. is in america, it owns AOL/TIME/Warner, where you get most of your news. propagana to keep you quite.<
First off I get my news from MSNBC, except the 6:30 news witch I get from abc.
>did u want to be a Nazi, a communist, a muslim .....???????
ok, yea the nazi's i hate. but i do understand some communist ideas. A MUSLIM???? thats a religion , don't be racist. ok? don't putsomeone down casue there beleifs.
saying that the world sucks is one of the stupidest things you can possibly do.
have you ever been to another world to compare? NO! so shut up and stop whining abour things that you can't, and probably will never, change.
>but kill.
y'know, why for some reason did i not think of that the first thought of the military that came my way? you wouldn't figure the point of a military, and don't generalize it as just the army, would be to protect us from ourselves [globally]... how many of the last times that we've been involved in wars such that we were part of a 'side'? we get involved, with the interest of peace...
let's not turn this into a trial of the military... i was refering to the individual trying to find his way and his life... it's about the person getting his life on, not about killing... do you think that that's all the military does? where would we be without it? such is the same, where would we be without government? but anyhow...
don't get lost, the military does not discriminate...
your a narrow minded anti-alcohol bigot then !!!!! you mental midget !!Quote:
Originally posted by johnc
>did u want to be a Nazi, a communist, a muslim .....???????
ok, yea the nazi's i hate. but i do understand some communist ideas. A MUSLIM???? thats a religion , don't be racist. ok? don't putsomeone down casue there beleifs.
without the US army the Nazi's would have taken you over, similarly the communists, and also the USA would be crushed by the Muslim fanatics who hate you so much..
i am not anti-muslim especially, i don't like Christians or any other religous groups either in particular, but each to his own, what i do hate are extreme religous fundamentalists of any and all religions...
i am not racist at all, i have black and packistani and chinese friends, my ex girlfriend was half pakistani/half irish, i have travelled the world for years and met people of all different colours and persausions......you have no idea what you are talking about....so shut it...
and on the anti-military subject, where you are also being an idiot, its best summoned up by Kiplings famous line -
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
your probably too thick to know, but a 'Tommy' is a British soldier, and in those days they wore a red tunic......
Rudyard Kipling
Poems
TOMMY
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
In our present global climate there is no doubt a need for a military. It's a neccesary EVIL, and I consider it as such.
"how many of the last times that we've been involved in wars such that we were part of a 'side'? we get involved, with the interest of peace... "
...... Vietnam, Gulf, Afganistan.
>EVIL
that's a matter of perspective... turn that around and you've got LIVE... so... where then can we globally utlize our skills to help other people?
"that's a matter of perspective... turn that around and you've got LIVE... so... where then can we globally utlize our skills to help other people?"
Surely you can see, that a world where a miltary was unnecesary would be better than a world where a military is necessary.
Ahhhh... some people.
Do what you want in this world, unless you are trying to make me do what you want.... if the latter is the case, **** off.
I, along with many here, am old enough to understand where my decisions have taken me (hmmm... hawaii, family, money). Your holier than thou speech is old at best.
"I don't like the military. I hate alcohol. I hate this... I hate that. Blah blah blah blah blah."
People that state opinion as fact really amuse me. So do people that try to debate life lessons as if they haven't decided themselves where their stance is... Grow up.
There are all kinds of people in this world.... unfortunately for you, your kind is the least liked: the finger pointer.
p.s. Mr millitant... go up to a drunk army guy and give him your envigorating speeches about life.... see how long you remain standing. lol
""I don't like the military. I hate alcohol. I hate this... I hate that. Blah blah blah blah blah." "
You like the fact that we need a military?
until we all live in Utopia, then a military will be necessary. obviously everyone (sane) would prefer world peace, but will it EVER happen?????
i would guess not, and most certainly not in our lifetime......
so slagging off the military is ridiculous, slag off the politicians, its they who decide who and when to fight, the military just do their bidding..... and in a democracy the politicians generally act according to public opinion......so slag off the general public.....
"until we all live in Utopia, then a military will be necessary. obviously everyone (sane) would prefer world peace, but will it EVER happen????? "
Without countries we would not need a military.
"so slagging off the military is ridiculous"
Depends on the circumstances, in many instances the amount of money going into the military is unnecessary.
\Quote:
Originally posted by Betazep
Do what you want in this world, unless you are trying to make me do what you want.... if the latter is the case, **** off.
I, along with many here, am old enough to understand where my decisions have taken me (hmmm... hawaii, family, money). Your holier than thou speech is old at best.
When I posted, I was stating my opinions not as fact, and I said as much. I posted because I thought there was too much glorification of alcohol, drugs, etc. I posted because I think it is very potentially harmful and usually leads only to a messed up life.
I'm not trying to change your' belief, I'm just stating mine. And I don't appreciate being flamed for my morals.
napKIN
Quote:
It's not a denial of our sentience at all, its a denial of our free will; which incidently cannot exist anyway without breaking every law of physics + has been demonstrated experimentally not to exist either:
Quote:
So do everything, try everything, of course know the risks, know the consequences for your actions, and decide what you want to do.
Both quotes from Clyde. Is it just me, or is there a smidgeon of contradiction here??
"Both quotes from Clyde. Is it just me, or is there a smidgeon of contradiction here??"
No, there is not, the fact is I am confined by the English language, and there is no simple way of saying "make a decision" without implying free-will.
When I say "decide what you want to do", I mean weigh up the options and make an informed decision based on them, free-will doesn't come into the equation at all; Whether an etherial "you" is controlling the decision or the decision is made as a result of the physical interactions of your brain does not alter my advice.
Whatever.
LOL, i didn't think I put you down that bad buddy.
>>Without countries we would not need a military.
So you'd prefer total anarchy...? Wow, I sure would give up the good ol' US of A for mob rule and rampaging! Woohoo! Think before you speak (or type anyway).
:D Not a problem. For what it's worth, I agree with you to an extent on this one. How the hell do you know if you don't try it. To quote Benny Hill (!!!!!)
edit>> This refers to the posts on page 2 & 3, before it went "off-topic".
Alchohol vs. weed??Quote:
Don't put off till tomorrow what you could do today. If you enjoy it today you can do it again tomorrow!
Never felt out of control on weed, have done many times on alchohol. Moderation in eveything!!
"So you'd prefer total anarchy...? Wow, I sure would give up the good ol' US of A for mob rule and rampaging! Woohoo! Think before you speak (or type anyway)."
Just because your minute brain cannot come up with a scenario without countries that does not involve mob rule does not mean one does not exist.
What if there were no countries but there was still politics and police? What if every country unified into a global state?
Europe is already unifying, gradually Brussels and the European courts gain more and more power, eventually Europe will be a single state, it's an economic inevitability. (of course it will take time)
Just as multiple different terretories controlled by differing clans gave way to single countries in the past, so too can different countiries give way to continental super states, and in turn there is no reason they cannot give way to a global state.
Then you don't need a military, because there will be no wars. You still need a police force of course.
Wars and hence the need for the military are because of the "us and them" phenomenon. If there is no "them" then there is no need for a military.
Realistic? Perhaps, perhaps not. But either way; theoretically possible.
Not while there's breath left in my body!!Quote:
eventually Europe will be a single state
"Not while there's breath left in my body!!"
It'll happen, and if you ask me it's a good thing. National unification as a whole is a good thing, for the reason i've already given.
>Think before you speak (or type anyway).
I don't think me he meant it like that Ken. Rather, without territory boundaries, there exists no inter-territory conflicts associated with zoning. And about that, I am for the globalization of the world, and am still waiting. But until then, the military keeps the peace, and both on the individual and the nations, help us all...
"I am for the globalization of the world, and am still waiting. But until then, the military keeps the peace, and both on the individual and the nations, help us all..."
I can agree with that, though politics has a fair hand in keeping the peace too.
first stevey:
you said you don't hate the muslem? then don't put them down.
second, if (not siding with the terrorists though) ,well the only reason why we need to protect ourselfs with an army, is cause we keep ........ing people off. example:
Do you know why, many Afganistan citizents hate america, and why osama hates it also? Well one day there sitting there protesting because isreal is trying to move in there troops, then what was peacful protest turns into a massacure of machine guns and tanks, the protesters armed only with rocks. then in this bloodshed all they see is the side of the tanks that read 'U.S.A', thats right we supplied isreal with the guns, and tanks. now who would you be mad at?
and another thing you sit there and say a utopia will never be. well your right, as long as you think that way, and how can there ever be a utopia when countries still have standing army's. it is america 's & the UN's duty to first ban alll weapon export/inport, and so on, keep making it tougher to get weapons (for military use) in order to one day demilitarize the world, an makke it illegal for any country to hold a standing army. then move on to the next step.
maybe you should think before you deny the posibilities of great things. armyies serve no purpose, as long as they don't exist, but when one does, others will follow, and so on.
Note: The U.S alone's military budget before 9/11 was 300,000,000,000 (300 billion, zero count?) and they say they have an education funding crisis???? why don't we put at least some of this money to good use. it is our money you know.
**clyde im with you on this one, well i think, R U w/ me?**
i have no wish to see the USA brought to its knees by muslim fundamentalists and no desire to see my own country taken over by muslims...if thats putting them down, then i'm putting them down....its typical of thick idiots like you to jump on oohhh stevey's a racist bigot, just cos i hate muslim fundamentalists, i hate christian fundamentalists too......
it is an accepted fact that since the fall of communism, the grweatest threat to western democracies and especially the USA is the muslim fundamentalist.they have no mercy, they would explode a nuclear bomb in New York if they had one.
and if you had actually read anything Osama Bin Nutcase has said, then you would realise that his main gripe with the USA is not over Israel it is simply that he is so upset about American troops being on his sacred soil ie Saudia Arabia...in particular it has made his blood boil that WOMEN troops are on Saudi soil. yes women, oooh how awful those dirty evil women......
yep, thats it....hes said so, but you obviously haven't listened..you ASSUME its over Israel, actually it was not. so all those people died because the US was so evil as to send troops to protect their allies....
[BTWif you knew anything at all you could see that all the rifles and most of the tanks being used by israel are israeli made...
the USA supplies more weapons to Arab countries as it does to Israel. Especially Kuwait, Saudi and Egypt. also USA armed iraq and the mujahadin. the USA has never discriminated against Moslems when it comes to selling arms. neither has the British, we are very close to some Arab countries and to Pakistan.]
Muslim fundamentalists are evil, crazy people..that doesn't apply to your average Muslim.....
why don't you wait till you actually know something b4 you bother speaking....
and this **** you spout about demilitarising the planet, you pathetic dreamer, there will always be somebody out there evil or mad enough to build his own little army when everybody has got rid of theirs......the best we can hope for is that the only army in the world will be the UN army, but it will always need nuclear weapons and will need to be very strong....why do i bother arguing with kiddies, you'll grow out of it.....
"**clyde im with you on this one, well i think, R U w/ me?**"
Well.... not exactly.
"Do you know why, many Afganistan citizents hate america, and why osama hates it also? Well one day there sitting there protesting because isreal is trying to move in there troops, then what was peacful protest turns into a massacure of machine guns and tanks, the protesters armed only with rocks. then in this bloodshed all they see is the side of the tanks that read 'U.S.A', thats right we supplied isreal with the guns, and tanks. now who would you be mad at?"
It's a little more complicated than that, Bin Laden gibbers on about the American occupation of the "holy lands" (Saudi Arabia), and other such nonsense.
"and another thing you sit there and say a utopia will never be. well your right, as long as you think that way, and how can there ever be a utopia when countries still have standing army's."
Realistically we cannot expect the individual countries of the world to suddenly decide to completely remove their military. It will never happen like that, because if they started doing it you can bet there would be a whole host of opportunistic attacks.
"maybe you should think before you deny the posibilities of great things. armyies serve no purpose, as long as they don't exist, but when one does, others will follow, and so on. "
Demiltarisation can only really occur where both sides realise victory is not possible, a good example is the cold war.
The only thing we can do is push for globalisation, attempt to point out the folly of nationalism and point out the equality of all people.
"Note: The U.S alone's military budget before 9/11 was 300,000,000,000 (300 billion, zero count?) and they say they have an education funding crisis???? why don't we put at least some of this money to good use. it is our money you know"
I do agree that the budget assigned to the military is sometimes unnecessary and could be spent on more worthy causes, but thats politics. As globalisation occurs, nationlism will decrease, with it will the threat of conflict and the budget assigned to the military.
clyde: i understand you, but maybe globalization will end the hatreds of nationalism, but then the government will only become stonger, and make it harder for activests like to try and make a channge, they already deny all we say, and they don' t even need proof, propaganda takes care of that, and makes people believe what ever they say. if they become stronger then god knows what they will do, maybe physicaly actualy start enslaving people for all we know, am i right?
stevey: ok, in your first post here you said MUSLIM, not Muslim Fundermentalists. OK. how can you expect me to know what your talkin bout when your not specific.? ok?