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Curiosity got the best of me.
All of them but one.
:eek:
Why would anyone not support another person choosing [or should I say not really choosing, but doing what they think is "right" for them] how they live their life?
I'm not gay, but I have no problem with gay people. In fact, more power to 'em! :)
What ........es me off is that stupid rule in the army where you can be gay but you can't be openly gay. Uh, ya think?! It sucks that us straight people can talk all we want about our straight lives and stuff in the army but gays can't...
Hillbillie, not sure if you were talking to me or GB, but just so you know my post was ( obviously ) in jest and meant for the original poster.
Sorry, I forgot the [ sarcasm ] tags! :D
And you're completely right about the military. I served 8 years in the Army and as any joe would tell you "gay" is the biggest curse word of them all in the military.
We had one Platoon Sergeant who used it as his trump card. If any of his guys screwed up and he was going to take the opportunity to belittle them in front of the Company ( as was his style ), he throw out the "flamer" card and wail away.
No one complained. The CO got a kick out of it. First Sergeant thought it was hillarious ( goes without saying morale wasn't exactly high ). It was really sad.
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What ........es me off is that stupid rule in the army where you can be gay but you can't be openly gay. Uh, ya think?! It sucks that us straight people can talk all we want about our straight lives and stuff in the army but gays can't...
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how bout the rule where you insult a gay you get court marshalled?
how's that for fair?
Gay people are fine unless they hit on me. Their sexual preference is none of my business.
>>Do you support gay people
No more than I "support" heterosexual people. Theres no different IMO. I don't however, support "special" rules/laws for minority groups... Isnt that gay-bashing/racism/sexism in itself? If we're all the same, why does the law differentiate?
I get really POed on that subject so I'd better stop there.
>Do you support gay people
If someone asks me for support, I will help him. It doesn't matter if he's gay or not. As I'm a lazy person, I won't support anyone just because I feel like it ;)
lightatdawn i feel exactly the same way.
:P
just a survey that will probably get the hell flamed out of me for being politically incorrect or something... if gays could choose to be straight, would they? or would that be weird...
ok i'll go now, i'm confused :S
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PsychoBrat
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NOTE: just so you know i'm not anti-gay or anything...
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>Do you support gay people
I do not explicitly support gay people, but if someone asks me if I want to help him/her, then I'll try to help if I can. In my opinion it is wrong not to help people because of their sexual preferences, religion etc.
>I don't however, support "special" rules/laws for minority
>groups...
I agree with this. Having law for certain groups means that those groups have a special place in the community, whatever the position of the law is, positive or negative. Laws should apply to all people.
" I don't however, support "special" rules/laws for minority groups... "
Surely a case could be made for laws that protected minority groups, no?
The great un-washed populace can be extremely racist/homophobic/*insert general iodiocy here*, hence i can kinda understand why some laws might be in place.
Having said that, i don't really know what laws you are speaking of so, i could be hideously wrong.
There are laws on the hand that many gay people want to get rid of: They still can't legally marry, and their age of concent is much higher, etc.
>They still can't legally marry
The problem here is not that gays don't have the same rights, but that the state supports religious laws. Religion can claim marriage to be their pact between men and woman. Thats fine. Their rules. However, the state should not be involved with that. State should have it's own partnership laws.
Exactly - religion has an influence on so many things that even me writing this post could be considered immoral, for attacking religion or whatever.
In fact, I just finished watching "The Man Who Sued God"... a very inspirational film :P
Surely people will have to realise sooner or later that if we wish to support multiple religions in this world, we must abolish their grip over our legal system - it has yet to be proven that any religion is correct.
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PsychoBrat
:P mmm... the delicious controversy however the hell u spell that :P
question for GB before I actually give my opinion:
What do you mean by "support".
Do you mean if I am out at all the parades flying a PFLAG banner and such?
Do you mean would I help a person (who's gay) who was needing some help with a simple problem?
Also want to post some remarks to previous posts, but I need to get some more time so I can collect all my thoughts (as I am at work right now).
For me, the question has as much relevance as "Do you support people born in August?"
Peoples sexuality has as much relevance to me as what toothpaste they use. I'll support anybody who I feel deserves my support.
Do I "support" gay people? Sure I do - I pay taxes - I'm sure there's gay people on welfare that I support.
What a stupid question.
Trying to debate with GB using logic will lead to a miserable experience. What he is getting at (based on his other post in the GD forum) is that he hates all gay people even though he has never had a girlfriend and it's all because he's really ugly and he had bad parents (I'm not making this up either, that's what he said in his other post).Quote:
Originally posted by DrakkenKorin
question for GB before I actually give my opinion:
What do you mean by "support".
:D
i 6think phychologists/ shrinks have a lot to answer for. they always say "its all you're parents fault ". i don't believe it, altho they obviously have an impact.
and speaking as a relatively ugly bloke, i can say that women in general are not nearly as hung up on looks as men are.....luckily for me.....
and GD is what ?? 12 ????? who has had a girlfriend at 12 ???
not me, friends who were girls yes, girlfriend no...
I've seen a lot of good points here (about not catering to minorities and such, I agree with this). Just for the record, when I said I support gay people, I meant I support them morally and such. (i.e. "They have my support.")
I was gonna respond but a mod and jdinger bashed me.
Bashed you? Excuse me, but I simply repeated what you wrote in another post.Quote:
Originally posted by Golden Bunny
I was gonna respond but a mod and jdinger bashed me.
Was it necessary to repeat what I said? Show some sympathy. You obvious don't give a rat's ass how I feel huh?
If you had low self-esteem and thought about suicide and repeated what you said on a AIM conversation. Would you like that?
What are you talking about? Remember when you faked your suicide note here because you and Aran had a little tiff? Who was the first person to respond to you. Who downloaded AIM just so they could spend half the night trying to talk you out of suicide only to find out later that it was all a big sympathy ploy? Who offered to personally teach you Win32 and DirectX through email/aim/pm or whatever method you preferred only to have you say it wasn't worth it because it was all too hard anyway?
Me. That's who. I stayed up half the night trying to cheer you up and keep you from killing yourself. Was it more important for me to get some sleep for work the next day? No. I didn't even know who you were but I still put the value of your life above anything in my own. All I cared about that night was making sure someone who's first name I didn't even know didn't hurt themselves. Don't give me crap about not caring about someone. Then later I find out you just like playing people's sympathy to make yourself fell good. So don't tell me about people not caring about you. That's a bunch of crap.
oh......it was you.......I forgot your screen name. If I knew you were the guy I wouldn't be feeding you false ****. Ok, instant message me.
This is getting really ugly (no pun intended), really fast.
And I love it!! :D
Seems to me that GB has a lot of personal issues to resolve, especially after reading jdinger's post!
Just had a thought, GD reminds me of someone else on these boards. Someone who shoes up, creates problems and then goes away, only to come back.
Anyone care to venture a guess as to who I speak of?
Don't know
Well if he hates all gay people he's gonna have some problems with me!Quote:
Originally posted by jdinger
Trying to debate with GB using logic will lead to a miserable experience. What he is getting at (based on his other post in the GD forum) is that he hates all gay people even though he has never had a girlfriend and it's all because he's really ugly and he had bad parents (I'm not making this up either, that's what he said in his other post).
Now does he hate us gay people becuase he is ugly, has bad parents and no girlfriend? I don't see how it's our fault all of these things happened to him.
Also is the aforementioned reasons the same reason as to why he is depressed and has a low self-esteem/self-image? These people really get on my nerves! As if they are the only ones who have had a bad life. Get a grip!
These are MY opinions on depression:
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Depression is nothing more than anger without enthusiasm.
LOL at DK!!!
.....but can I just point out that the kid is just 12. I know he's not helping himself, but I can remember being 12 (just).
Everything that happens is a major heartbreaking tragedy. It's not till you grow up (30+??) that you realise that life's actually pretty good fun if you let it be.
Cut the kid a little slack.
NOOO!
As homophobic as im supposed to be.
Rob, you're talking about me? I'm not 12, god I hate people who make so much assumption. I'm not going to say anymore, it'll be a waste of time. You keep assuming things. I'm not 12.
personally i wish there were more gay men !! so thereby getting rid of more of the competition. especially i wish it were true that all good looking guys were gay !! :)
how many men are actually gay ??? just wondering......
ive been reading a book "why men don't iron" which reckons 1 in 13 are gay. surely this isn't true. i don't know any...well mebe one. still ive worked in the steel industry, not the entertainment industry !!! :)
ps Draken, your GAYDAR doesn't work !!!! i saw it on telly so it must be true !!! a scientific experiment.....:)
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oh yeah, how silly......you're 13 :)Quote:
Originally posted by Golden Bunny
Rob, you're talking about me? I'm not 12, god I hate people who make so much assumption. I'm not going to say anymore, it'll be a waste of time. You keep assuming things. I'm not 12.
that makes a whole lot of difference !!!
.......you're an idiot man, I hope that sentence was a brief showcase of your overall sarcasm level.
Final warning...Flaming = Closed or Deleted Threads.
You know stevey, I don't think my gaydar EVER worked.Quote:
Originally posted by stevey
...ps Draken, your GAYDAR doesn't work !!!! i saw it on telly so it must be true !!! a scientific experiment.....:)
:D
"Depression is nothing more than anger without enthusiasm"
err... no offense drakken but that is utter nonsense.
>>The great un-washed populace can be extremely racist/homophobic/*insert general iodiocy here*, hence i can kinda understand why some laws might be in place.
I can understand the logic behind them, I just think that as long as we have laws differentiating between race/sexual-preferance/religious belief, we're going to have racism/sexism/etc. I dont see a difference, so why are all these "minority" groups all pushing for laws that are just making them more segregated?
None taken Clyde. As I had stated, that is my view on things, and I don't expect everyone to see it my way or to accept my views, I was just expressing my view.Quote:
Originally posted by Clyde
"Depression is nothing more than anger without enthusiasm"
err... no offense drakken but that is utter nonsense.
GBonny loves calling people ***gots and gays... he acts like it's calling us an explitive. It is just a showcase of his ignorance for the most part. Some people need to grow up.
In other news, it doesn't matter how old you are, GB, you still act like a 12 year old. Your age holds no water here as far as maturity. Before i told people my age, they thought of me as in my early twenties.
You sure you didn't reach into my brain and steal this entire thought from me? It was pretty much exactly what I was going to write :)Quote:
Originally posted by lightatdawn
>>Do you support gay people
No more than I "support" heterosexual people. Theres no different IMO. I don't however, support "special" rules/laws for minority groups... Isnt that gay-bashing/racism/sexism in itself? If we're all the same, why does the law differentiate?
I get really POed on that subject so I'd better stop there.
Well, first let me say this, am I homophobic? Well probably some what, I guess most of us have some homophobic in us, (unless you're gay) I mean, I have no problems with gays, I would help them in something, if the need aroused (wait no no pun intended) :D, I know gay people got no problem with it. But I would not feel right if a gay dude hit on me, no buddy, I would not be flattered or anything like that. I have no problems with it, it's their choice and they can do with their lives as they please. However I don't agree with it. This Lesbian in school said to me "I heard you're homophobic" I told her that I wasn't, I mean I am ok with it I can talk to any gay person, help them or whatnot, but I DON'T AGREE WITH IT. It's against my religion (please don't start another religion battle thread). We are having some issues here in South Florida about gays adopting, and I just don't agree with it, I mean if you're gay go ahead, but don't ADOPT A KID AND TRY TO RAISE IT WITH YOUR HOMOSEXUAL PARTNER. Imagine the trauma of this kid in school, "hey how come you got two daddies/mommies?" A kid needs both the affection of a mother and the stronghand of a father, this is not always the case, and I myself being as my folks split up when I was about 6 I didn't have them both, and trust me it's tough. You always have that empty spot in your heart, but that's life. I don't believe that a kid would be best raised by a gay couple. I am not saying that they are not great parents, actually they could be better than some of the typical heterosexual couples, but it's against my religion and I don't agree with it. NOW LET THE FLAMING BEGIN :D J/K
And GD buddy you seem to have a personality clash with a lot of people maybe it's time you rework your people skills don't ya think?
>>who has had a girlfriend at 12 ???
I had a girlfriend much earlier than that...but it was all kid's stuff. I think we kissed once...maybe. Then I had another in like 4th gade...I think I made out with her once too. girlfriends that early one aren't worth it.
I mean, until you're about 14 or 15 a girl won't do enough....so what's the point in a girlfriend back then? Answer? None.
Yeah...gay adoption would certainly screw a kid up...but once he hits highschool kids won't bother him about it, at least to his face. I dunno, I'm split up on that issue. The only person I'd never let adopt would be Rosie Odonell...even if she was straight I wouldn't put a kid through that kinda torture :DQuote:
Originally posted by elchulo2002
Well, first let me say this, am I homophobic? Well probably some what, I guess most of us have some homophobic in us, (unless you're gay) I mean, I have no problems with gays, I would help them in something, if the need aroused (wait no no pun intended) :D, I know gay people got no problem with it. But I would not feel right if a gay dude hit on me, no buddy, I would not be flattered or anything like that. I have no problems with it, it's their choice and they can do with their lives as they please. However I don't agree with it. This Lesbian in school said to me "I heard you're homophobic" I told her that I wasn't, I mean I am ok with it I can talk to any gay person, help them or whatnot, but I DON'T AGREE WITH IT. It's against my religion (please don't start another religion battle thread). We are having some issues here in South Florida about gays adopting, and I just don't agree with it, I mean if you're gay go ahead, but don't ADOPT A KID AND TRY TO RAISE IT WITH YOUR HOMOSEXUAL PARTNER. Imagine the trauma of this kid in school, "hey how come you got two daddies/mommies?" A kid needs both the affection of a mother and the stronghand of a father, this is not always the case, and I myself being as my folks split up when I was about 6 I didn't have them both, and trust me it's tough. You always have that empty spot in your heart, but that's life. I don't believe that a kid would be best raised by a gay couple. I am not saying that they are not great parents, actually they could be better than some of the typical heterosexual couples, but it's against my religion and I don't agree with it. NOW LET THE FLAMING BEGIN :D J/K
And GD buddy you seem to have a personality clash with a lot of people maybe it's time you think your people skills don't ya think?
Ken- I had a girlfriend when i was in 2nd-4th grade..it was weird.
These days she's a real jerk and acts like it was a serious relationship... i just say we were friends back then. There was some weird stuff going on.
Anyhow, I think that GB gets offended by anything that has even the slightest hint at insulting him be it advice or whatnot. It's like he's been oversensitized... it's probably because his ego is so big that anything close to a shot at him he thinks is challenging his false ideas of supremacy. He needs to grow up and learn to 'respect his direct superior's. I can't deal with someone like him for the most part because i'm known to just say something blunt and to the point... things like that may be percieved as offensive if construed wrong.
>>who has had a girlfriend at 12 ???
Actually my wife and I started dating when we were 13. We got married not long after we graduated high school. Counting dating and marriage we've been together for over 14 years ( happily, I might add ).
>>The only person I'd never let adopt would be Rosie Odonell...even if she was straight I wouldn't put a kid through that kinda torture
Amen to that, Brother!
"but don't ADOPT A KID AND TRY TO RAISE IT WITH YOUR HOMOSEXUAL PARTNER. Imagine the trauma of this kid in school, "hey how come you got two daddies/mommies?" A kid needs both the affection of a mother and the stronghand of a father"
I don't buy it, who's to say that a gay couple would make any worse parents than a straight couple?
So the kid would grow up thinking there was nothing wrong with gay couples........God forbid.......
"None taken Clyde. As I had stated, that is my view on things, and I don't expect everyone to see it my way or to accept my views, I was just expressing my view."
Fair enough, it's just that your view kinda disagrees with huge amounts of medical science.
do i have to?
"I just think that as long as we have laws differentiating between race/sexual-preferance/religious belief, we're going to have racism/sexism/etc. I dont see a difference, so why are all these "minority" groups all pushing for laws that are just making them more segregated?"
I think that a lot depends on the situation, if a society has no racism/sexism/etc. then creating laws that differentiate will certainly cause some, on the other hand if a society has lots of racism/homophobia/blah then laws might offer some protection for minorites from an ignorant public.
Having said that, i'm pretty ignorant on the subject to be honest could ya give me some examples of laws already in effect and laws that minority groups are pushing for?
>The only person I'd never let adopt would be Rosie Odonell...even if she was straight I wouldn't put a kid through that kinda torture<
ROFL!!! BWAHAH!!! Geez, I can't stand that woman...
And about the gays adopting thing: What's wrong with a gay person (or couple) adopting? It's ignorant IMO to discriminate against gay couples because of their lifestyle. Sure, you might not agree with it, but it's stupid (and old-fashioned) to be against it just because you don't agree. Hell, I disagree with a lot of **** in this world, but I'm not gonna support the prohibition of it just because of that fact.
When I was in Junior High School, there was this
really cool substitute teacher that a lot of the
kids, including myself, liked.
Anyway, one day we saw him on the news. Apparently
he had been having, uh, "intimate relations"
with some of his students...
Man, I talked about Star Trek with this guy.
Anyway, what? :)
Well that's just the way I feel, if people want to be homosexual, good more power to them, I won't go and rally for their "gay" rights but I don't stop them, I have lesbian friends and all that. But I don't agree with it and I've told them so. Doesn't mean we're not friends. Also about the adoption thing, it's just too weird, but hey I can't stop it can I?Although there's one case that would agree with, that instead of a kid being on the streets, needing adoption and he/she were adopted by a gay couple this is far better than being on the streets there I guess it makes sense, still don't agree with the idea though.
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Originally posted by ethic
When I was in Junior High School, there was this
really cool substitute teacher that a lot of the
kids, including myself, liked.
Anyway, one day we saw him on the news. Apparently
he had been having, uh, "intimate relations"
with some of his students...
Man, I talked about Star Trek with this guy.
Anyway, what? :)
Male or females?
>>I don't buy it, who's to say that a gay couple would make any worse parents than a straight couple?
So the kid would grow up thinking there was nothing wrong with gay couples........God forbid.......<<
No, nothing of the sort. It's just that kids could be torturous about it...I'd support a gay couple adopting kids, but you'd have to think how weird it'd be for the kid...
I remember it being boys... But it was a longQuote:
Originally posted by elchulo2002
Male or females?
time ago. Either way, it's beyond icky. Hehe, I
remember him having a conversation with one of
my friends about his (my friend's) parents' store
and dried mangos. Now that I think of it, he may
have been hitting on my friend. :)
"No, nothing of the sort. It's just that kids could be torturous about it...I'd support a gay couple adopting kids, but you'd have to think how weird it'd be for the kid..."
.... it wouldn't be "weird" for the kid at all, it would be "perfectly normal" for the kid. He might get teased/picked on but then kids get teased/picked on for all kinds of things, ethnic minority kids get picked on for being in an ethinic minority, does that mean its justifiable to think that maybe ethnic minorites shouldn't have/adopt kids?
I'm intrigued, some people on this thread say they "disagree" with homosexual couples adopting children..... why?
*sigh* Hey, does it bother anybody else when their words are twisted around?
>>I'm intrigued, some people on this thread say they "disagree" with homosexual couples adopting children..... why?
I never said I disagreed....
>>.... it wouldn't be "weird" for the kid at all, it would be "perfectly normal" for the kid.<<
It really wouldn't. How would you know if it'd be perfectly normal? So you're saying that when a kid finds out that most kids have a mom and a dad, and as soon as he finds out what homosexuality is, you don't think that he'd at least question what's going on? But questions aren't so bad..
So let's pick a scenario here. You and I know that many adults now aren't too keen of the idea of little kids bieng anywhere near male homosexuals. Don't deny it, you know most parents would take their kids out of a classroom (elementary school, at least) if they found out that the teacher was gay. So let's say that the kid here wants to invite over his guy friends...do you really think that the parents are going to be too keen on letting 2 gay men that they barely know, if they know them at all, look after their kids?
>> He might get teased/picked on but then kids get teased/picked on for all kinds of things, ethnic minority kids get picked on for being in an ethinic minority, does that mean its justifiable to think that maybe ethnic minorites shouldn't have/adopt kids? <<
Geez, ethnic minority kids don't really get picked on. Plus, even though what you're saying is an unfair generalization, you said in your post the kids get picked on for being an ethnic minority...so why would ethnic minority parents have anything to do with it if they're not the real parents? Right, they don't. Point moot.
See that's the thing. The literature I read (in the past, it may have changed by now :p ) said that "it is belived" that depression is caused by chemicals in the brain, blah blah blah...Quote:
Originally posted by Clyde
Fair enough, it's just that your view kinda disagrees with huge amounts of medical science.
So it seemed to me that they (the researchers) just kinda decided "if I can't prove them wrong, I'll just agree".
....
Beware the dangers of listening to music and attempting to hold true to a contention! I had this great arguement and was gonna jot it down and defend it and all, then Deadsy came on, and I started singing along. Result - Massive train of though derailment. Hopefully I'll be able to continue later...
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I think what Clyde was trying to illustrate was that the child would grow up in an environment in which it had 2 parents that were of the same sex, and wouldn't question it until later in life.Quote:
from -KEN-
>>.... it wouldn't be "weird" for the kid at all, it would be "perfectly normal" for the kid.<<
It really wouldn't. How would you know if it'd be perfectly normal? So you're saying that when a kid finds out that most kids have a mom and a dad, and as soon as he finds out what homosexuality is, you don't think that he'd at least question what's going on? But questions aren't so bad..
"How would you know if it'd be perfectly normal? So you're saying that when a kid finds out that most kids have a mom and a dad, and as soon as he finds out what homosexuality is, you don't think that he'd at least question what's going on? But questions aren't so bad.. "
What i'm saying is that having a gay couple for parents would be "normal" for the kid because that would be all he knew. Sure he'd question, minority kids question why it is that they are a different colour to the other children.
"So let's pick a scenario here. You and I know that many adults now aren't too keen of the idea of little kids bieng anywhere near male homosexuals. Don't deny it, you know most parents would take their kids out of a classroom (elementary school, at least) if they found out that the teacher was gay"
Guess we live different worlds, one of the teachers at my school was gay. No-one even blinked. I certainly never heard of anyone being taken out of the school when he came out.
"let's say that the kid here wants to invite over his guy friends...do you really think that the parents are going to be too keen on letting 2 gay men that they barely know, if they know them at all, look after their kids?"
I suppose it depends how prejudiced they are. Lets say the parents are black, same question, same answer.
"Geez, ethnic minority kids don't really get picked on"
Umm..... HELLO, i think not.
"Plus, even though what you're saying is an unfair generalization, you said in your post the kids get picked on for being an ethnic minority...so why would ethnic minority parents have anything to do with it if they're not the real parents? Right, they don't. Point moot."
What? Your argument seems to be that gay couples should not adopt because the kid may get picked on as a result, the same argument can be leveled at ethnic minority parents, whether they are adopting or not is irrelevant point is they are raising a child.
The bottom line is that racism, and homophobia are exactly the same; ignorant prejudice. Ethnic minorites should be able to adopt and have children, they should not feel pressured into not doing so because of racism, likewise gay couples should be able to adopt, and should not feel pressured into not doing so because of homophobia.
"See that's the thing. The literature I read (in the past, it may have changed by now ) said that "it is belived" that depression is caused by chemicals in the brain, blah blah blah...
So it seemed to me that they (the researchers) just kinda decided "if I can't prove them wrong, I'll just agree". "
The amount of evidence in-favour of chemical imbalances is truly staggering, there is no real doubt here, we know exactly what imbalances cause different varieties of depression, the very fact that anti-depressants work far better than placebos is pretty much proof that depression is caused by chemical imbalances. Thats not to say there is not a psychological side as well, there certainly is.
"Beware the dangers of listening to music and attempting to hold true to a contention! I had this great arguement and was gonna jot it down and defend it and all, then Deadsy came on, and I started singing along. Result - Massive train of though derailment. Hopefully I'll be able to continue later..."
LOL, i get that all the time :)
Clyde I guess we'll never agree on this one, you already know that I don't agree with this, but under certain circumstances is better than other alternatives. I still don't agree with it. This could cause trauma on the kid, when he sees everyone has a mommy and a daddy but he's the only one with two daddies, that's all I am saying, besides he might get picked on. Also (please let's not start a religion thread) it's against my religion. Men were never meant to be together like that. Imagine the whole world turning gay, huh? ( I know it's not going to happen, but what are the odds, small) but I mean maybe that's one of the reasons because this is a sin, because then human kind might become exctint.
:D its not just you buddy, its a myth apparently.....!! keep working at it !!! i guess its hard when guys build up an elaborate smokescreen of marriage and children !:)Quote:
Originally posted by DrakkenKorin
You know stevey, I don't think my gaydar EVER worked.
:D
do you think the 1 in 13 is correct ???
why do women find it hard to find guys who are sensitive and caring ???
cos those guys have already got boyfriends !!!
:)
Quote:
Originally posted by jdinger
>>who has had a girlfriend at 12 ???
Actually my wife and I started dating when we were 13. We got married not long after we graduated high school. Counting dating and marriage we've been together for over 14 years ( happily, I might add ).
>>The only person I'd never let adopt would be Rosie Odonell...even if she was straight I wouldn't put a kid through that kinda torture
Amen to that, Brother!
14 happy years !! i'm so jealous. well done.
>>What? Your argument seems to be that gay couples should not adopt because the kid may get picked on as a result, the same argument can be leveled at ethnic minority parents, whether they are adopting or not is irrelevant point is they are raising a child.<<
::sigh:: Really, I think your brain is about as thick as a ton of bricks. First off, I never said that gay couples couldn't adopt. Just because I argue for a side of the discussion that seemed strangely inept to backup their statements doesn't mean that I'm for that side...although I guess it could have been confusing. Hell, I'm confusing myself... :confused:
>>The bottom line is that racism, and homophobia are exactly the same; ignorant prejudice. Ethnic minorites should be able to adopt and have children, they should not feel pressured into not doing so because of racism, likewise gay couples should be able to adopt, and should not feel pressured into not doing so because of homophobia.<<
Right, I never disagreed with any of this. In fact I whole-heartedly agree! I was just arguing, and I don't know how, in all that seeming common sense you appear to have, you can't realize that it might be the least bit weird for the kid to have two parents of the same sex. Sure, he'd get used to it and be sensitized to the issue of homophobia, and hopefully it'd make sure he'd never become a homophobe, but it would be kinda odd for a while.
Especially when he brings home his girlfriend for the first time "Now Linda, this is my father...and my other father." :D
>>Guess we live different worlds
I guess we do, too. Parents here would be weirded out if an elementary school teacher (1st - 5th grade) were gay. Not necessarily because they're gay, but because they're afraid of pedophelia. ::sigh:: I guess some people just don't realize that gay people aren't the sole proprietors of pedohpelia.
Also, minority kids here don't get picked on. As Elchulo can vouch, south florida has so many ethnic groups it's nothing to be something besides caucasian.
>>>>Also, minority kids here don't get picked on. As Elchulo can vouch, south florida has so many ethnic groups it's nothing to be something besides caucasian.
True, trust me I live in MIAMI
I guess there's some truth in that, but the whole world will never turn gay...ever. Plus, sometimes you should just think that maybe your religion is wrong :eek: on that, and that homosexuality was meant to keep the population UNDER CONTROL. I mean, the human race actually has a better chance of becoming extinct if the whole world were straight. I bet you didn't think of it that way, but think of the excess polution, lack of space, fresh water, etc.Quote:
Originally posted by elchulo2002
Clyde I guess we'll never agree on this one, you already know that I don't agree with this, but under certain circumstances is better than other alternatives. I still don't agree with it. This could cause trauma on the kid, when he sees everyone has a mommy and a daddy but he's the only one with two daddies, that's all I am saying, besides he might get picked on. Also (please let's not start a religion thread) it's against my religion. Men were never meant to be together like that. Imagine the whole world turning gay, huh? ( I know it's not going to happen, but what are the odds, small) but I mean maybe that's one of the reasons because this is a sin, because then human kind might become exctint.
See, that's where my relgion ........es me off and I refuse to take it as fact, but more of something possibly mis-interpreted in all of the translations of the bible, or possibly thrown in there by someone along the lines of those translations. I mean, homosexuality is uncontrollable; it's in your genes. If we can agree on that, then the rest of this should quite possibly open your eyes. Now, why would God make an uncontrollable thing like that into a sin. Alright though, to be fair it states, AFAIK, that the ACT of homosexuality is a sin. So as long the man/woman denies themselves one of God's most beautiful things - Love - they're ok? Why would God do that to anybody? Deny them love.
Or maybe all gay couples should only be allowed to hold hands and blow kisses? :rolleyes:
Oh I never said that God Created gays to control population, or maybe I misunderstood you........I don't really think you're born gay, but then again that hasn't been proven. Also yes being homosexual is a sin in my religion, don't really know if it only refers to sex though. :D
Freaking GD makes us all fight by starting this thread :D j/k :p
>I don't really think you're born gay, but then again that hasn't been proven.
The latest papers I read stated that homosexuality is induced by varying testosterone levels in pregnancy. Guys get much, Girls get almost none. A girl getting more is likely to turn lesbian and a man receiving less than normal is likely to be gay. So it's neither an active choice nor genetic ( who would inherit a gay gene anyway ? That would mean gays would create offspring ).
But that's just been a report I cannot check, because I didn't do the study myself. I believe in Biology, others believe in religion.
I do have to admit it creeps me out seeing two men kissing. It's just icky. Something I could never do. I don't get this feeling with lesbians for obvious reasons. She likes a woman... big deal, I mean who does not ? :D
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I do have to admit it creeps me out seeing two men kissing. It's just icky. Something I could never do. I don't get this feeling with lesbians for obvious reasons. She likes a woman... big deal, I mean who does not ? :D
LMAO
You do have a point, also I think that I wouldn't be so freaked out talking and interacting with a gay man, if he weren't acting so freaking femenine. Let me rephrase it creeps me out with a gay dude acts like a girl, dont' know why, if he is gay and acts like or least somewhat masculine I guess I am clam about it, but when you see someone acting all girly and talking like a pure girl it just creeps me out.
Now lesbians I've always thought it wasn't as nasty, although again I don't agree with it, it's less nasty than two dudes kissing, so you know "boys will be boys" I've always used to think that two girls kissing would be kind of cool, well not really cool, but BETTER in a sick perverted mainly kind of way. But then I see this girl, nice looking girl, kissing this other "thing", that looked so much like a man, that it just creeped me out. I mean she looked so much like a man that it wasn't even cool anymore. Don't get me wrong I don't agree with lesbians, but also nor do I have a problem with them, I just think it's less creepy and nasty, like nvoigt said for obvious reasons.
More or less, it sounds accurate.Quote:
Originally posted by stevey
... do you think the 1 in 13 is correct ???
Take into consideration though that I have done no research in this, I'm just going by gut feeling. :p
im not gonna read 5 pages long,
but im answering the original topic:
YES, I DO, gays are female's best friend. they can really understand how a female think. that is wonderful for a guy or i should say gay ?
but they are very good people, perfectionist and very clean. Some gays are damn cute tooo, DAMN!
oooh ***** :P ;-)Quote:
Originally posted by stevey
why do women find it hard to find guys who are sensitive and caring ???
cos those guys have already got boyfriends !!!
:)
ever heard of a ladie's man? not all "SNAG"s or whatever are gay you know... :P
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PsychoBrat
>>"SNAGS"
Ok, now I feel uncultured and dumb. What's a SNAG ( though I have an idea )? :confused:
hehe sorry :D maybe its an Australian term...
Sensitive
New
Age
Guy
Though i dont really like it that much anyway... i dont think you have to be some kinda new age synthetic weirdo to be sensitive ;-)
(no offence to synthetic weirdos of course :p)
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PsychoBrat
"sigh:: Really, I think your brain is about as thick as a ton of bricks. First off, I never said that gay couples couldn't adopt. Just because I argue for a side of the discussion that seemed strangely inept to backup their statements "
Yea, sorry, i am pretty dense.
"I was just arguing, and I don't know how, in all that seeming common sense you appear to have, you can't realize that it might be the least bit weird for the kid to have two parents of the same sex"
Your not grasping this central concept: The kid will ONLY experience life with 2 gay parents, or atleast thats what i'm talking about, IE. adopting from babyhood.
It can't be weird for the kid if it doesn't experience anything else. Say a minority couple, adopt a caucasion child, the kid would be in a comparable situation.
"Sure, he'd get used to it and be sensitized to the issue of homophobia, and hopefully it'd make sure he'd never become a homophobe"
Of course he wouldn't become a homophobe! The analogy with racism still stands, any arguments provided against a gay couple adopting are no different to arguments against ethnic couples adopting.
"I still don't agree with it. This could cause trauma on the kid, when he sees everyone has a mommy and a daddy but he's the only one with two daddies, that's all I am saying"
Trauma? Why? So he'll ask why other people have a mum and a dad, and? Kids ask about a million differences between their own families and other families.
"Men were never meant to be together like that. Imagine the whole world turning gay, huh"
Meant to? Did you know there is a genetic basis for homosexuality? Did you know you get gay animals?
Nvoight says: "who would inherit a gay gene anyway ? That would mean gays would create offspring"
Which was indeed a puzzle, and solved, the reason being that in certain cicumstances the "gay gene" does not make you gay and has other effects; eg. greater social function, etc. As far as I'm aware the gene(s) do not "make" a person gay, but increase the likelyhood. There are no doubt other factors, like your birth testosterone level, and no doubt environment also comes into play.
") but I mean maybe that's one of the reasons because this is a sin, because then human kind might become exctint. "
..... yea because if everyone thought that there was nothing wrong with homosexuality obviously, everyone would become gay!.... or... not. Would you become gay, if you stopped thinking it was "wrong"?
well i wouldnt prefer to date guys, that have no-brains or not interlectual !
its boring --- i wish i can describe better.
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"I still don't agree with it. This could cause trauma on the kid, when he sees everyone has a mommy and a daddy but he's the only one with two daddies, that's all I am saying"
Trauma? Why? So he'll ask why other people have a mum and a dad, and? Kids ask about a million differences between their own families and other families.
"Men were never meant to be together like that. Imagine the whole world turning gay, huh"
Meant to? Did you know there is a genetic basis for homosexuality? Did you know you get gay animals?
Nvoight says: "who would inherit a gay gene anyway ? That would mean gays would create offspring"
Which was indeed a puzzle, and solved, the reason being that in certain cicumstances the "gay gene" does not make you gay and has other effects; eg. greater social function, etc. As far as I'm aware the gene(s) do not "make" a person gay, but increase the likelyhood. There are no doubt other factors, like your birth testosterone level, and no doubt environment also comes into play.
") but I mean maybe that's one of the reasons because this is a sin, because then human kind might become exctint. "
..... yea because if everyone thought that there was nothing wrong with homosexuality obviously, everyone would become gay!.... or... not. Would you become gay, if you stopped thinking it was "wrong"?
Seeing as you and I will never agree on this issue, I will stop arguing this now. Let me tell you something though, althought I don't agree with adoption for homosexuals like I've stated more than a couple of times before I must admit that sometimes this is better for a child than another alternative, so in this case I am forced to agree.
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well i wouldnt prefer to date guys, that have no-brains or not interlectual !
its boring --- i wish i can describe better.
You referring to us? :D
You're saying you wouldn't date us?:p :o :p