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I'm interested, firstly because i've been to Russia, they say it was them, and most Americans seem to say "we saved your ass in WWII!!", and a lot of British think we won it !!!
and secondly, most people i talk to don't know a damn thing about it !!! "whats pearl harbour about???", "what was D Day?",
"who were we fighting again ???"
How about the Allies?
How about Hitler? I think he was responsible for most of it himself...
How about the Allies?
If you had to choose, pick one.......
How about Hitler? I think he was responsible for most of it himself...
he wasn't fighting himself !!! but i know what you mean...
They may be Russia now, but in the second world war they were the Soviet Union. They also get my vote as the country having the most impact.
The most important thing is that the war has ended. I think every country has their small or big part in the victory. Ofcourse there are many countries saying that they played a big role in the war. I think it is wrong to say "WE have defeated the Germans and YOU didn't", since that was the kind of thinking where it all started.
So I voted: I don't care.
ok Soviet Union.Quote:
Originally posted by Deckard
They may be Russia now, but in the second world war they were the Soviet Union. They also get my vote as the country having the most impact.
Anyone who knows their history would agree with your vote. i was interested in how many people do know their history.
I went to Moscow when i was young, and they were taught that Stalin and the Soviet Union defeated hitler almost single-handedly in the "great patriotic war".
not true, but the Eastern Front bled Hitler dry, they contributed more......and a lot of Western people don't appreciate that...
Napoleon also was crushed by the Russians, leaving 450,000 dead frozen corpes in mother russia.....and that was a hell of a lot in those days !!
finally finished off at Waterloo, but it was the Russians that crushed his dreams.....
And they're all right: they all played a major role in the defeat of Nazi Germany. No single allied nation could have defeated the Nazis, IMHO.Quote:
Originally posted by Shiro
Ofcourse there are many countries saying that they played a big role in the war.
you might be right, you might be wrong though !!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Deckard
And they're all right: they all played a major role in the defeat of Nazi Germany. No single allied nation could have defeated the Nazis, IMHO.
what very few people realise, if they even give a ****, is that the Soviets were on the OFFENSIVE in Nov/Dec 1941 !! ie b4 the USA entered the war !!
then came Stalingrad in April 1942, ie b4 any major contribution by the USA !!! the German army was in slow retreat after that.
i would still say "combined effort", but still..........
>ok Soviet Union.
Not OK.
>Anyone who knows their history would agree with your vote. i
>was interested in how many people do know their history.
Well, as you probably know, Hitlers armies also went to Africa and they were defeated there. The reason why it seems that the Russians took a big part in the war is because Russia is so large. If Russia was a collection of small countries.... but it's all Russia.
>not true, but the Eastern Front bled Hitler dry, they contributed
>more......and a lot of Western people don't appreciate that...
If you read your history book again, you'll notice it were not only the Russians, but it was also mother nature who took part in defeating Hitlers armies in the east.
>dead frozen corpes in mother russia.....
That's what I meant.
>what very few people realise, if they even give a ****, is that
>the Soviets were on the OFFENSIVE in Nov/Dec 1941 !! ie b4 the
>USA entered the war !!
That's because the Soviets were attacked by Hitler. The USA wasn't, so they had little reason to attack Hitler, besides being solidair with Europe. But so many countries in the world didn't attack the Germans.
>then came Stalingrad in April 1942, ie b4 any major contribution
>by the USA !!! the German army was in slow retreat after that.
Yes, so?
>and yet 25% (so far) vote USA !!!
Ehm, don't forget that the USA had some other problems.
>>If you read your history book again, you'll notice it were not only the Russians, but it was also mother nature who took part in defeating Hitlers armies in the east.
of course.....but its not fair to say it was the Russian Winter.....they were clever in using their climate to best advantage to defeat Napolean using scorched earth tactics, retreating to Moscow etc,
and clever in using it to help defeat Hitlers armies......
its not winter all the time........nor the slush after the thaw.......
>but its not fair to say it was the Russian Winter
I didn't say that. I just said that it took part in defeating the Germans. Ofcourse the Russsians know very well about their climate, that's just the same with the African who knew how to use the Sahara.
>its not winter all the time........nor the slush after the thaw.......
I know that, been to Russia too. In the summer, really really hot.
>what very few people realise, if they even give a ****, is that
>the Soviets were on the OFFENSIVE in Nov/Dec 1941 !! ie b4 the
>USA entered the war !!
>>>That's because the Soviets were attacked by Hitler. The USA wasn't, so they had little reason to attack Hitler, besides being solidair with Europe. But so many countries in the world didn't attack the Germans.
eh????
point is, the Soviets had achieved parity, in fact they were on the offensive. fighting all Hitlers armies all alone.
>then came Stalingrad in April 1942, ie b4 any major contribution
>by the USA !!! the German army was in slow retreat after that.
>>>Yes, so?
so, see above......
>and yet 25% (so far) vote USA !!!
>>>Ehm, don't forget that the USA had some other problems.
of course, luckily for us Europeans, Roosevelt adopted a "europe first strategy", bringing the European war to a close first. anyway 25% was only one vote !!
>>>>that's just the same with the African who knew how to use the Sahara.
Africans fighting Hitler ?????
>Who contributed most to the defeat of Fascist Germany ??
Parties involved:
US
Great Britain & Commonwealth
Russia
France
Germany
Italy
Japan
Let me first comment on who did not, because I'm somewhat sick of it. Dear frenchmen, you are a country on the winning side, but it is hilarious to claim you fought Germany and won. You were overrun, occupied and later freed. Your Resistance were brave fighters, but hardly brought Germany to it's knees. So don't act like you won WW2, you merely managed to be on the winners side and come out alive.
The British definetly brought the German advances to a halt. The battle of Britain marks one of the first turning points in the war. While Britain might not have won the war, it can claim to be the nation that ensured the allies didn't lose the war.
The Russian steamroller brought Germany down on the eastern front. However, without US aid, it would not have been possible. The Russian staying power wasted many of Germanys resources on the eastern front and bound them there.
The US won the war. Their money supported Russia, their technology and bombers defeated the German troops and destroyed the factories, their Armies marched through France into Germany.
There is no most contributing participant. All four factors had to be there to achieve the end result, the fourth probably being the most scary: Hitler.
Hitler made military incompetent decisions from early in the war. His generals, admirals and air marshals were brilliant people, but he didn't listen to military reason. The scary thing is that if it weren't for Hitler himself, his staff might have won the war.
nv's got the same idea that I was trying to get through - In the same way that good moves on the Allies part helped the success, bad moves on Hitler's helped his ultimate failure.
Besides, I don't like putting the whole glory for winning the European war on just one country - that's why we were referred to as the Allies, remember.
Can anyone comment on the involvement of European nations in the US's campaign against Japan?