What is A++ ? I see books on it in the book stores. Is it just another lang ? What are the advantages of A++ over C++ ? The books are kinda expensive. Tia
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What is A++ ? I see books on it in the book stores. Is it just another lang ? What are the advantages of A++ over C++ ? The books are kinda expensive. Tia
Two letter grades... and at the end of the month, the teacher gives you a piece of candy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptkat
This is an excellent reference IMO kryptkat:
A++: An Introduction for Otherwise Experienced Programmers
Are you sure you saw A++? Or maybe A+ instead?
In case I did not say it that I had done a few searches before and this was all I came up with in the search for aplusplus but not much cplusplus comparison or clear description of what the heck it is really I think that could be better wroten with some examples shown in the searches of course and not just buzz words that are general for most langs because they do not always mean the same things or have diff words for the same things breath dangit whith all terms considered.
Fairly sure it was a++
A++ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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History
A++ was developed in 2002 with the purpose to serve as a learning instrument rather than as a programming language used to solve practical problems.
It is supposed to be an efficient tool to become familiar with the core of programming and with programming patterns that can be applied in other languages needed to face the real world.
[edit] Purpose
A++, with its interpreter available in Scheme, Java, C, C++ and Python, offers an ideal environment for basic training in programming, enforcing rigorous confrontation with the essentials of programming languages.
contradictory see what I mean ?Quote:
Development of applications with A++
The purpose of A++ is not to be used as a programming language to write applications for the needs of the real world. Nevertheless it is possible to write simple application programs in A++ like object oriented implementations of a simple account handling and a library management system.
Hmm, so if I google "alphabet soup" or "some topic with my friend's initials in it" will I be disappointed in the extent to which the material I find fails to provide much of a comparison with C++? Who cares? Perhaps they should also provide comparisons with lisp, perl, fortran, asm, lsd, and realBASIC.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptkat
This A++ idea is not a good one, maybe staring at the screen will help. Or maybe it is just plain wonderful. Why don't you just download the interpreter and read the documentation? I am positive that is available thru the link I gave you, since A++ has a homepage with links like "download" and "documentation".
I only asked because you say you "see books on it in the book stores". Using amazon.com as a guide, amazon has 0 books on A++, and 80,000 books on A+ certification.
I also don't see why you say the two bits you quoted are contradictory, since they say the same thing (that the language was not designed to actually be used). I mean after all Pascal was designed to be a practically useless language, and yet people build things in that too.
The link you provided only pulled up a searchengine. I found the home page. So it is a free interpreter. Ok. I was thinking it was larger and very costly.
It is the bottom quote that is contradictory. First it says “A++ is not to be used as a programming language” then it says “it is possible to write simple application programs in A++ “ see ?
Downloaded interpreter. Think basic if far better because you can actually do some thing with it. I now know a little more about a++ just from finding the home page for it.
That's...not contradictory at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptkat
There are lots of languages out there (Alice is the only one I can think of off the top of my head), which are designed primarily to introduce beginners to the fundamentals of programming. However, most of them are pretty much useless for creating anything non-trivial. The quote makes perfect sense if you don't cut off the last few words, it says that while A++ can make perfectly good working applications, it shouldn't be considered a 'real' programming language because you're never going to create new solutions for actual problems, what they call 'the needs of the real world'. So if you want to develop a new web browser or something, A++ apparently isn't the way to go.
IMHO as a newbie, the idea of 'teaching languages' in general doesn't really make much sense to me. Maybe I'm just impatient, but it seems like it'd be quicker, and probably more beneficial for people to cut their teeth on a language that can actually be used to make something significant. I might just be a snob, though. ^_^;
The first does not say that "A++ is not to be used as a programming language" -- quite the opposite. It says that A++, as a programming language, was designed to teach and not to be practical. A toy, but a learning toy nonetheless. Even a toy language has to be able to do something if you are to learn something from it. (EDIT: Compare with Intercal or whitespace, which are not designed to teach and where it is more or less impossible to do anything whatsoever.)Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptkat
(EDIT EDIT: Programming languages designed to teach often are designed to trap thinking errors as well as typing errors/syntax errors and enforce things being perfectly correct -- things like type-safety, strong typing, bounds checking. Often seen in conjunction with I/O as a complete afterthought. IMO Pascal is still a very good example of both the pros and cons of the approach.)
I was looking for more information on proxys and kept running in to those books. Both the a+ and a++
were next to the networking books for some reason.
Pascal and modula 2 are good programming langs to teach top down programming concept. At least they are close to c and usable to actually do something. If I remember correctly you can use asm in the pascal progs. Much like you can in c.
If I am going to learn another lang I want it to be able to do something useful like basic or c. meow. even changing the compiler that you use with in the same lang can show you your mistakes like when I also started using devcpp.
I guess it depends on what you consider “real world needs”. Teaching a lang that has no real use is just someone sitting back collecting money with out giving the students a real skill that they can actually use.
a+ comes off as being identical to cobol as a business lang. But they are both usable to the right person.
then what are compiler errors for ? <joke>Quote:
(EDIT EDIT: Programming languages designed to teach often are designed to trap thinking errors as well as typing errors/syntax errors and enforce things being perfectly correct -- things like type-safety, strong typing, bounds checking. Often seen in conjunction with I/O as a complete afterthought. IMO Pascal is still a very good example of both the pros and cons of the approach.)
Yippie, skippy. So what would your idea of a bad programming language be then? French? Try and name an existing language to which the phrase "usable to actually do something" would not apply in this sense...Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptkat
Yes, mostly because the memory segmentation is slightly different. Different is not better, BTW.Quote:
If I am going to learn another lang I want it to be able to do something useful like basic or c. meow. even changing the compiler that you use with in the same lang can show you your mistakes like when I also started using devcpp.
Okay, here's a ticket: libraries. Like there will not be any for A++, or A+. Good luck with your networking code! Just stay with basic! What's the difference? They do not even appear to have any string handling potential...these were somebody else's pet project. Also, I bet $500000000000 dollars NO ONE has written a published book on either of them*, so you are thoroughly confused at the library as well.Quote:
I guess it depends on what you consider “real world needs”.
You would have to be absolutely crazy to learn either of those languages in the hopes that they could have any serious practical use what-so-ever. You might as well learn this:
BrainF - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia........
* except for A++ - The Smallest Programming Language in the World, but as Dae notes, A++ does not work on it's own anyway.
now how do I get paid ?Quote:
A++ Certification Level 2 (Paperback - Nov 15, 2001)
1 Used & new from $35.00
Books: See all 2,399 items
Amazon.com: a++
Did you look at that title? Did you notice it's a certification manual, not about a programming language? Did you notice that 0 of the books in that amazon.com search have A++ in the title (except the one you found, which apparently is not even a book, because Thomson doesn't recognize the ISBN given there)?Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptkat
Typo, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptkat
Let me google that for you - A+ Certification - Wikibooks, collection of open-content textbooks (it's for comp techs by CompTIA, not for A+ programming language)
Every "a++ certification" page is a typo, auto post, or a newbie. Google it.
Amazon.com: A++ Certification Level 2 (9780030310164): Books
thought all books had to have a ISBN number ? For sale anyway. So a “certification manual” is not really for getting you certified in a language ? Then what is the book certifying you for ? So a+ certification is not certifying you in the a+ programming lang ? Now I confused.Quote:
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* Publisher: International Thomson Publishing (November 15, 2001)
* ISBN-10: 0030310164
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Anyway thank you all for the help and info.
The book is a guide to help you gain certification; it is not a certificate. Anyway, your questions are easily answered on the CompTIA's webpage on A+ certification.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptkat
Yes and nb -- this has NOTHING to do with the two programming languages you mention. They just call their IT certificate that. These things are not related. So you will have to wait for your $5000000000000. Also I think that book was actually to do with auto insurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by laserlight
Some qute things about A+ ("a programming language for actual programmers") I picked up from their web page: it requires it's own font because it has special symbols! Oh are you going to have fun!
Also, under "Programs written in A+" there is one program:
99 Bottles of Beer | Start
which has apparently been written in 1301 different programming languages! I had no idea there was even 10% this number. Dunno if A++ was another one of the 1301.
kryptkat: you should learn perl :p
You're welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptkat
It seems to include everything from scripting languages, interpreted languages, game script languages, even configuration files (jamfile), and libraries (jQuery isn't a language, it's a JavaScript library). It also includes different versions (AS/AS3), and branches. I'm surprised they don't have JASS (WarCraft 3 map scripting language). Make that 1302...Quote:
Originally Posted by MK27
Edit: Nevermind, JASS is under 'W' as "Warcraft 3 Jass", lol. There's even a WinAmp submission. Useful.