Should manav be made into a moderator?
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Should manav be made into a moderator?
This only makes you look silly and decrease chances you will become one.
In fact, I forsee this thread will be locked or deleted (and you one step closer to being banned).
Where's that option that says "He should be banned"?
Come on!! You both.
I am on good terms with mods these days.
Besides, there are some threads where my posts were deleted, but the comments on my posts, and quoted posts are not deleted. I will help in that.
I'm confused about the poll... why's there a 'yes' option?
Well, I wish this does not get locked/deleted.
I just wanna see how unpopular I am.
Spamming a forum is not popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
Do you have more than one account? I swear I have seen you with a sig that says "Banned 1000 times"
I keep updating my signatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by swgh
To all,
It does not matter if I get all votes for No.
I just wish this thread is not locked/deleted.
Spamming? Nah. I never spam.
I can show you an example of spamming, if, you really ask.
Oh will be, alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
Oh really? Funny. I just thought I saw you spamming...Quote:
Spamming? Nah. I never spam.
I can show you an example of spamming, if, you really ask.
Oh, that's right. This thread is spam.
Such a shame. We'd been tool-free for such a long time :(.
I think he's just trying to have fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elysia
On some forums if a person asks to be a moderator they are disqualified from being one.
Just sayin'.
Perhaps they'll have to make him admin then? :)
Whats wrong with asking? Dosent mean its going to happen, but generally, if you dont ask you dont get and at least you get an answer. IMO its better than waiting around your whole life waiting in silence hoping for something you want that aint going to happen cos no-one knows.
Manav was asking because he was tempted by the moderation capabilities, not because he wants to help out as a moderator (I believe that was secondary).
Plus I think all have seen manav's behavior, and it is hardly appropriate for a moderator.
True, but if it is one of your life goals to become an internet forum moderator, then that is pretty sad. I've been around these forums for 8 years now and never asked.Quote:
IMO its better than waiting around your whole life waiting in silence hoping for something you want that aint going to happen cos no-one knows.
Agreed.Quote:
Manav was asking because he was tempted by the moderation capabilities, not because he wants to help out as a moderator (I believe that was secondary).
Plus I think all have seen manav's behavior, and it is hardly appropriate for a moderator.
Yeah personally I don't want to be a moderator, but if I did I'd ask. I just wouldent do it publicly.
Well. I do not mind so many Nos.
I tried. At least.
Getting powers is not my motto.
My behavior is not good for a mod?
Oh come on! What is the fear on your mind?
It may not be a bad thing to become a moderator since you'd be willing to help out the forum in some ways. But the way you've done and how you act and behave is not appropriate for a moderator.
You didn't even specify WHY you want to become a moderator and WHY they should consider you.
> Oh come on! What is the fear on your mind?
You hate me for one :(
Vote -1 manav :D
BTW, I'm not sure being a mod is fun and games. How many times have you seen a mod close a thready happily?
Doesn't happen ;)Quote:
oh yay!
You're so naughty, thread closed.
For some reason I fear you will abuse all these functionsQuote:
Originally Posted by manav
Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
I don't see any harm in someone asking for moderator powers, provided, the person really wants to help out and not abuse his powers. As for manav, he has been on cboard for hardly 6 months. I definitely wouldn't want someone like him to be a mod :)
Off Topic : I didn't know about the albums feature on the forum. When was it added ?
Generally people that ask to be moderators aren't fit to be one. Most moderators I've seen on forums were presented the option of becoming one by other moderators because they acted like they could handle the task.
Or at least, you have some sort of close connection with the other moderators and/or site admin/owner and you ask privately. That is what I did on another forum - and only because I noticed a lot of spam turned up when I was online, and no other moderators were around [due to timezone spread etc]. But I had already met the site-owner (and admin) in person at that time. And I sent an e-mail to site-owner suggesting it. Not because I wanted to become a moderator as such, but rather because I thought it made sense to have someone who covered "my shift hours".Quote:
Originally Posted by indigo0086
Asking privately avoids, at least, the rejection in public.
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Mats
I don't get the fascination anymore, to be honest. You get to see a few hidden things and inherit a lot of responsibility which, to me, means a completely different feel. I'd be more proud if I read the mods board one day and found out they didn't talk about me badly.
Aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by citizen
Speaking of myself, the last thing I would want was to become a moderator. There's a civility to it that doesn't fit with my general conduct. I'm biased and act according to my bias regardless; I tend to make sure those I don't like are aware of it; I'm quick tempered; I like to jump on bandwagons; I love a good or bad fight equally... The list is perhaps too long, so in short I'm not that type of material and I certainly wish not to be.
As for manav... This thread is too stupid. Guess I proved my point.
I voted no :).
Being a moderator is extremely difficult (I'm a moderator on our college board, have been for the past 4 years). And too be honest I'll be glad that this schoolyear is almost over (so I can give up the moderatorship)... It seems you can never satisfy everyone, either decision you make; it'll make some unhappy ... and on the other hand you start feeling like police in the long run (although this depends on how many manavs you have on your board :D).
No, Super Admin, then I can get that date with Joey Gunn because Hell would have frozen over. Sad to think my sex life depends on manav making admin :DQuote:
Originally Posted by zacs7
>Should manav be made into a moderator?
In all seriousness, you don't strike me as good moderator material. You seem too hotheaded to be properly objective, and I can easily see (possibly unintentional) abuses of power that make the rest of our jobs harder.
>On some forums if a person asks to be a moderator they are disqualified from being one.
Asking is the best way to let people know that you're interested. However, after working as a moderator on multiple forums, I can now honestly say that anyone who asks is stupid. Being a moderator is a pain in the ass, and one should only take the job if they genuinely love the forum and want to be a part of making it better. Doing it for a power trip never turns out well, and in my experience, that's why most people want to be mods.
Umm. Thank you all, that you love me so much, and, want me to stay out of herculian and burdensome task of being a moderator.
That's why I will never ask to be one, I'd be too tempted to ban one or both of my two favorite people ;) Seriously though, I've been a mod before, it's a mostly thankless job, so unless you have to do it, stear clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prelude
Isn't that the nature of all men in the history of the world? I find it interesting that something that has been repeated time and time again in this world's history is now being discussed on a message board in the context of people wanting to be mods.
People who desire to be the heads of governments usually also do so because they want power. There are some who don't. There are some who are good leaders of the people. But in most of the world's history the people at the head of the governments have been people searching for power.
"We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion."
quite the analysis. I think the scope of your examples are much different than that of a message board, and the responsibilities have much more serious repercussionss if mishandled.
manav, would you like to be Myanmar's next Senior General?Quote:
I think the scope of your examples are much different than that of a message board, and the responsibilities have much more serious repercussionss if mishandled.
I have a feeling he'll be writing a tell-all memoir about Myanmar's "Special Dungeon" before he's even retired.
manav... did you like... hit your head during birth or something?
- 30 day inactivity, and the thread should be locked
- remove casual discussions out of some serious topics
- threads in general discussion will be deleted after, say, they get 6 months old
- posts in general discussions will not add to the total posts count
- users inactive for more than 6 months will be deleted
- remove all animated avatars (my favorite)
- signatures should not be longer than 100 characters.
- no pics allowed for signatures
Those are your new rules, "moderator" manav?
Not rules, but that's what I would do myself, if this was a forum created by me. Take them as suggestions/checklist/tips/guidelines.
I will add more to the list.
A mod should just post no and lock it.
I would have done that long back, if I was a mod ;)
Would have deleted the whole thread, in it's infancy :D
That would go to show how little you know about being a moderator.Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
Bumping a thread is generally seen as a bad thing, but there are legitimate reasons to bump a topic too. Busted rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
That is a very vague topic. Perhaps you care to elaborate?Quote:
- remove casual discussions out of some serious topics
The stupidest suggestion I've heard ever. There's a reason topics aren't deleted. Because people can search, find and digest the information inside.Quote:
- threads in general discussion will be deleted after, say, they get 6 months old
A post count shows how many posts you've done. If it doesn't count some posts from a forum, it wouldn't be accurate, would it?Quote:
- posts in general discussions will not add to the total posts count
Disabling post counts is an extreme thing that should be done carefully, especially in "special" forums such as places where trash gets moved.
And what is the point of this? People register so they can use the board's features, which may otherwise be unavailable. Plus many do read, but not reply, so this would be another grave mistake.Quote:
- users inactive for more than 6 months will be deleted
And so you are being unfair to everyone. There's nothing wrong with animated avatars and they can be quite nice. As a moderator, you can instead warn people if they use inappropriate animated avatars.Quote:
- remove all animated avatars (my favorite)
And limit the amount of useful information they can put in their signatures? That's extreme. Put a reasonable amount and warn users if their signature is too long.Quote:
- signatures should not be longer than 100 characters.
Another unfair and poor suggestion. Signature pictures can lively up a forum, especially when they look nice. You are doing more harm than good, I would say.Quote:
- no pics allowed for signatures
Limit it to 1 picture and put a height/width restriction, but don't remove it altogether.
>- 30 day inactivity, and the thread should be locked
I've been on forums where this was implemented. It was terribly annoying.
>- remove casual discussions out of some serious topics
Define "remove". Do you mean delete or move into a casual thread? Either way it breaks the flow of conversation and potentially removes valuable information.
>- threads in general discussion will be deleted after, say, they get 6 months old
Just because you don't go back and read old threads doesn't mean other people don't.
>- posts in general discussions will not add to the total posts count
One can post useless garbage in other forums as well. I don't really see this rule/guideline buying you anything.
>- users inactive for more than 6 months will be deleted
That's a fantastic way to lose your members. I've been known to take breaks, and if I came back to find my account deleted, I would be none too happy.
>- remove all animated avatars (my favorite)
Animated avatars within reason are fine, IMO.
>- signatures should not be longer than 100 characters.
I'd rather have a rule that specifies guidelines for creating a signature. That way you don't limit good people and still have justification for dealing with people who abuse the feature.
>- no pics allowed for signatures
See above.
Well... I asked one of the mods to delete this thread, they do not wish to do that, anyways, my replies:
- I have seen them locking a thread which was bumped after 30 days or so, why not lock beforehand?
- I will point out as they come from time to time.
- Since I think GD is for general discussion only, so no useful info therein. I never found any useful stuff.
- We can set a ranking system, plus, already there is a minimum posts threshold to use some features. In that case useless GD posts would not add up.
- See this: Threads: 98,211, Posts: 732,871, Members: 31,621, Active Members: 916
- Be equal for all, plus, this is not a comic book forum or movies forum.
- People advertise their own systems in their sig, mods do not notice.
- Sig is part of every post (usually), and pics will divert the attention, again we are not on a love board.
Roughly 3 pages of why you wouldn't make a good mod and you're still kicking. At least he has the resolve of a mod.
Cboard used to have a rating system long time ago. Personally I don't support the rating system, its pretty useless.Quote:
We can set a ranking system, plus, already there is a minimum posts threshold to use some features. In that case useless GD posts would not add up.
>- I have seen them locking a thread which was bumped after 30 days or so, why not lock beforehand?
There's a difference between continuing the conversation and pointlessly bumping a thread. You're suggesting that all posts after a certain amount of time should be considered pointless bumps. In theory the idea is good, but I've experienced it in practice, and it sucked ass.
>- Since I think GD is for general discussion only, so no useful info therein. I never found any useful stuff.
Not everyone is the same.
>- See this: Threads: 98,211, Posts: 732,871, Members: 31,621, Active Members: 916
I think you missed the point. Shall we delete your account and see how much you like it?
>- People advertise their own systems in their sig, mods do not notice.
As long as they don't post solely to spam their signature, it's not really a problem.
>- Sig is part of every post (usually), and pics will divert the attention, again we are not on a love board.
By that logic we may as well remove the GD forum and ban anyone who mentions a non-programming topic.
Rating based on the number of posts (whether they are in some particular forum or not) is pretty meaningless. People can see the number of posts and determine for themselves whether it's a viable answer or not, without having * or ***** next to the name [not that an answer from a 1 post user is necessarily less valid than one from user with 10000 posts].
If users are doing stupid things like posting drivel just to get the post count up, then they will most likely do that anywhere that those posts count, so if you don't count posts in one forum where drivel is slightly less "bad", they will just post it in the more "bad" places - particularly if the post limit is to prevent someone from achieving something, e.g. PM's. And of coruse, post count goes back down again if the post is deleted, so if it's purely posting SIMPLY to increase post count, the moderators can remove those posts, and there was nothing gained.
Keeping things on topic in any form of board takes some discipline from the participants. This board can get a bit sidetracked at times with one or another user trying convince everyone that his/her idea is better than some other persons idea. But that's part of the fun in a forum too - and if it gets too out of hand, the moderators are there to delete un-suitable posts, or lock the thread, etc, etc.
Most forums do have a great number of inactive members. Some of those are those that do not participate much in the discussion, some of those came for one question, got the answer and left. But to delete the user (and thus all posts from that user - because otherwise you have posts with no user related to them) after some time doesn't make any sense.
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Mats
I think you missed the point, only about 3% are active other are gone long back. They may not remember their login - passwords. Try sending emails to all the inactive users. So they can respond and tell that they exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prelude
Plus, I am not inactive at all, I visit daily, I do not know how the board decides inactivity, but I think if a user does not even login for long time. Then it is marked as inactive.
Did you read my response to that - if you delete the member account, then you also have to delete the members posts. I'm sure that it doesn't matter to current posts, but if you wanted to go back and search for something (which is a quite handy thing), you wouldn't find the answer, because the original post is missing. And what do you do if HALF the posts in a thread have suddenly been deleted? The thread is pretty much meaningless at that point. Or did you just mean block the users from being able to log in, but not actually delete the account?Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
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Mats
Mats, I missed your reply.
Why do you need the user to exist, while reading it's post? Do you want Einstein to be alive, so that, we can read his E=mc2 descriptions?
Delete the inactive accounts if it is automated process. If it is manual work. Well leave it.
Plus, what is so important in this thread that mods would not delete it. I have requested 3 times now.
>Plus, what is so important in this thread that mods would not delete it.
If you don't understand why we're reluctant to delete threads with no good reason, you're definitely not likely to become a moderator.
I've seen threads locked for being stale.
>> Why do you need the user to exist, while reading it's post? Do you want Einstein to be alive, so that, we can read his E=mc2 descriptions?
By your logic, Einstein died, so burn all the papers and books he wrote. If you delete an account, the posts are thrown away. And frankly it's not very nice.
Becoming a moderator is not a campaign, just so you know, you shouldn't make a promise. I don't think we need another janitor and we definitely don't need additional rules.
But without knowing that it was Einstein that wrote it, and what else Einstein had written, you may not trust the content, right? So if you have content posted by user X, then it may be handy to know what else user X has written.Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
Because part of being a moderator involves being reluctant to delete threads. It is not only the original thread creator, but also everyone else who have contributed to the thread that will "loose out" if the thread is deleted. Trivially just deleting threads for absolutely no reason adds workload to the moderator, as well as irritating people involved in the thread. This should be done with the greatest of care and respect for all involved.Quote:
Delete the inactive accounts if it is automated process. If it is manual work. Well leave it.
Plus, what is so important in this thread that mods would not delete it. I have requested 3 times now.
Seeing as you don't pay for the diskspace, I don't understand why you are so concerned with deleting stuff. [Not that I would think that the current space taken by some 0.75 million threads is that many megabytes anyways].
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Mats
Because you are ruling out that someone may bump the thread with a good reply. There are acceptable bumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
And who are you to decide what's important and not?Quote:
- Since I think GD is for general discussion only, so no useful info therein. I never found any useful stuff.
Like Mario F's topic about helping find a new laptop/desktop. Is it useless? Should it be deleted/pruned?
Who says GD posts are useless?Quote:
- We can set a ranking system, plus, already there is a minimum posts threshold to use some features. In that case useless GD posts would not add up.
In that case, all posts may just be useless.
If you asked for help, for something non-programming related, is it useless then? Should it be deleted because it's in GD?
Aside from removing the posts made by a user, some may return. Or they may just be inactive for quite some time. There are people who visits boards once a month or even less so. Should be prune those accounts?Quote:
- See this: Threads: 98,211, Posts: 732,871, Members: 31,621, Active Members: 916
And if the accounts were to be deleted, and the posts not, then all of them would appear Unregistered or Guest, and it would be impossible to separate them - who posted what?
That is irrelevant. Avatars lighten the place up. It also gives you something to focus on - something to associate that particular user with.Quote:
- Be equal for all, plus, this is not a comic book forum or movies forum.
Heck, avatars can be funny, too. And they may also be very nice to look at.
It doesn't matter what type of forum it is.
Again, what's wrong with advertising in their signature? As long as they don't spam to show off their signature, there's nothing wrong with it.Quote:
- People advertise their own systems in their sig, mods do not notice.
And I'll tell you that not everyone does advertise in it. And if you are so against it, devise rules against it instead of banning signatures altogether.
But, oh so what if they divert attention? It's not like you don't read the reply!Quote:
- Sig is part of every post (usually), and pics will divert the attention, again we are not on a love board.
They lighten the place up. If you see a lot of beautiful avatars and banners, you don't want to leave the place. You want to see them again.
They do not hinder productivity. On the contrary, they might just do the opposite.
All these replies really seems to show that you are not fit for a moderator role. Not yet anyway. You seem to have the entirely wrong outlook.
manav, you can disable avatars and signatures in your options.
GD is a place of nonsense, yes, but also not so nonsense, manav. Even discussions that may seem ridicule to you or to everyone including those involved should stay and not be deleted.
Each person approaches GD their own way. Certainly the opinion it is a useless place is as valid as the opinion it is a place where one can decompress from the other boards or simply the real life. It's a place of democratic discussion. Discussions that do tend to drift into a more asinine sort after a while, for sure. But not always. Still a lot can be learned from them. It's eventually a more social aware place then the other - by virtue more "stiff" - boards, where you get to know board members in more detail or simply use it to voice your opinions on the most varied subjects, learn new things not pertaining to programming, and change your views on all different sort of matters.
Deleting posts from there is an impossible task. Who decides what is valuable information and what is not in a board that is appropriately called General Discussions? There have been posts in GD that I feel I learned something new from them. For anyone wanting to read, they can also learn something from the discussion regardless of the tone some opinions may be voiced. I reject the notion GD is trash. No matter how much I may argue and show my ugly face, everyone in there without exception at one point or another taught me something new about what... I may add... matters most to me. Programming is just a part of my life and I tend to look down on those who seem to be incapable of discussing anything not related to programming basing this decision solely on a prejudice towards GD.
I have used my time on the C++ board. I have no wish to post in there anymore and I feel no need to ask question in there when I can get the answers by my own means. Meanwhile I spend my time in GD and the tech board mostly, only rarely going to the game and windows board when I happen to notice a thread that interests me. And I read more than I write on those threads.
I would strongly object against deleting any of my posts in GD (even those that may embarrass me. And I have many of those). Those are my words and they define me for better of for worst. As long as the CProgramming board is of the public domain, anyone deleting any of my posts is effectively shutting me out. Something I would take strong offense.
A more reasonable system:
- threads can be posted in regardless their age
- threads should not be bumped simply for attention
- sig limited to 100 pixels high and no animations
- animated avaters allowed once you have 1k+ posts
- if you make a post with a different post of yours right above it, it doesn't inc your post count
- members with over 500 posts can click a "request thread lock" button in each thread, if this button is pushed by over 20 members, the thread is automaticly locked
- there should be a flame board with NO rules, but each post there incs your "bad post" count
- if a mod has to edit or delete one of your posts, your "bad post" count incs
- an account is deleted it it's inactive for over 2 years
- gd is treated like any other board
- the flame board would only be visible to members
What's this fixation with post count anyways? You folks really believe it gives some sort of status? Not even the slightest.
You know it does. 2/3k+ post, it's usually a sign of being an "old-timer"... if you get me.
Look at Elysia's post count, then look at her join date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yarin
...then edit you last post.
Or even more interesting Look at Neo's and mine post counts and our join dates. If anything it proves he has better things to do than I spending time on the boards.
I remember the rating system. I think Axon and I (plus some others IIRC) proved how pointless it was pretty quickly. Post count and join date mean nothing. Govtcheez has more posts then me but I wouldn't trust him on any programming issue.
in the spirit of positive reinforcement:
- every time a post of yours gets deleted, you don't get your pink toy pony for that month
- if you're really bad, you get a pony with its leg broken
> Look at Elysia's post count, then look at her join date.
I think she's a he. :)
Oh noes, I just gave Elysia an excuse for one more post ;)
Hmm... I always imagined Govt was actually a pretty good programmer with just a complete lack of interest in the programming boards on here. I guess not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thantos
No no...that's me :D I visit the programming boards every once in awhile, but not too often, except for the Game Programming Board. I visit that a little more often.Quote:
I always imagined Govt was actually a pretty good programmer with just a complete lack of interest in the programming boards on here. I guess not
Post count definitely does not determine status. There are some people that have 7000+ posts on here that just joined recently and I am amazed that they racked up such a high post count so fast, haha.
In terms of deleting accounts: I think deleting accounts should be done in a very conservative manner. I have accounts at several online forums (phpfreaks, silverlight.net, and others), but I do not post on them as often. I go to those forums when I have questions (which is sometimes 5 times a week, and other times less than once a month), but I would be annoyed if my account got deleted at any of them, because then I would have to re-register. I am sure that it is the same way for many people on these boards.
I look at post count in the opposite way. The higher the post count, the more time you've spent posting drivel, and the less time you've spent doing anything "real." Of course, this doesn't make me look too good myself, then again, I don't really care.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidP
My post count on Slashdot is barely breaking 4000 and I've been a member there for almost ten years. Still, I sometimes feel like I post excessively there. No, I won't tell you what my username is there (it's not brewbuck) :p
Resonable suggestions, but there two I don't agree with:
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Originally Posted by Yarin
A flame board is ALWAYS bad. So you can go around and insult other members? I don't think so.Quote:
- the flame board would only be visible to members
What is you just happen to disappear for two years and then come back? No, it's better not to prune accounts at all.Quote:
- an account is deleted it it's inactive for over 2 years
Oh and about the post count... one thing we can agree on is that it can a member's activity, especially if taking into account the join date!
Where is he anyway? I miss him and his avatarQuote:
Originally Posted by Thantos
I think he hangs out at that kitchen sink place.
No!
The one with the waste disposal?
Yep, that's the one.
Yeah... the flame board was a bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elysia
okay:
- accounts inactive for over 5 years are deleted.
I sent Govtcheez a PM or email (don't remember which) a little while back ago asking where he had been, and he responded on instant messenger one day. That was like a month ago. I don't remember what his reasons were though, haha :) All I remember is he said, "You're right, I haven't been around much."
I will just look for people with the name brewbuck01, brewbuck02, brewbuck03, brewbuck04, brewbuck05, brewbuck06, brewbuck07, and a few other variants :DQuote:
My post count on Slashdot is barely breaking 4000 and I've been a member there for almost ten years. Still, I sometimes feel like I post excessively there. No, I won't tell you what my username is there (it's not brewbuck)
Why is there any need to delete accounts? What overhead do those accounts add?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yarin
You guys' rules suck. If you had a good idea it would have been implemented at some point in time already. Don't make suggestions, please. I know you think it helps but the forum is well established. I don't know if all of you who come up with this jargon feel like you're not a part of the community or whatever, but I can only say "lurk more."Quote:
Originally Posted by citizen
It's nettiquette you know. The place isn't going to change so you feel better about yourself. Just acclimate.
Banned people don't become moderators.