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Looking to get into programming, I have the Comp-Tia A+ certification, which is for hardware and software, so I do know a little about computers as a whole, but I would like to learn code, write software for companies, or something along that guideline.
What would be the best path to take, I was thinking to start with C, or do I need to go back even further to something else and work my way up to C or C++
Thank you.
Jeff
Sorry I asked...........
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Originally Posted by jsmith
C or C++ are equally good langauges to learn. C is more embedded and for some can be slightly more complex to learn to begin with, but it is very powerful. C++ is an independant language from C although some of it's syntax is similar. It all depends what you really want to do. C++ can do everything C can with the addition of OOP ( Object Orientated Porgramming ) which involves creating objects using classes.
Best bet is to find out what want to do as a goal, read up on both languages and remember you can always ask questions here for any guildlines.
Good Luck
Well I do think you may of confused him with your reply.
Don't be silly!
For web, C#, PHP, ASP, Javascript, HTML, and the like may interest. C/C++ can do it, too, but they aren't naturally targeted at the web.Quote:
Originally Posted by (::)
Nonsense. There are embedded that use C++ too. Asm/C/C++. You'll probably want to learn C, though.Quote:
embedded programming interests you - forget all else except c/assembly
For games, it's C++.Quote:
game development interests you - make sure you have more than a million dollar$
And for normal Windows or other platform development, C++ is typically a good language.
You don't need to learn C before C++.
What to learn is up to you. Good luck.
No. That's good. Flexible code is what everyone wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by (::)
And what could they have been if they weren't written in java? So much potential lost because of Java.Quote:
well i have seen 3D games running on cheap mobiles using java.
Jsmith, read swg and Elysia's reply. Forget the four dots guy, former "manav".
Meanwhile, in my opinion, I'd suggest C++ as your starting language. There's a huge community of programmers, which these forums are just a tiny (and of high quality) portion, along with a mind-boggling number of resources on the web to learn from.
This ensures you with a steady input of information during your learning process. If on top of that you buy a few good books on C++, you'll resize the learning curve to your benefit.
You. If not, I don't care. Looks just like you. In fact, because your alias can't be used in a post without interfering with the current smilies code, I'll call you manav from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by (::)
There then. It's settled. Not that hard is it? Could be your one and only sentence on your first post.Quote:
if i were a starter today. i would really appreciate that some one suggested me c++.
I'll just add to my previous post, however, that naturally other languages also enjoy from vibrant communities. I'm thinking of Java, for instance, which is a rather popular language too for newcomers. However, I still think C++ is a better choice for a couple other reasons:
C++ has a strong Open Source environment associated with it. Not only access to code, but also access to free applications and tools intended to support C++ development. This is quite the catch if one wants to minimize costs of learning how to program. I can't measure it however, so if someone comes and says other languages have more... so they say.
C++ will also allow you to gain an intimate knowledge of your computer. A knowledge that is essential if programming is something that you will want to pursue for the a good part of your life. Not only that but C++ also promotes and facilitates, after a while, the interest in other programming languages and systems. Again essential for any programmer.
Actually I think that cross-platform frameworks aren't really that popular...Quote:
Originally Posted by (::)
Thank you all for your replies and sugestions, within the Cprogramming web site I did find a list of books to check out.
Thanks
Jeff
Several posts deleted. Performed some general housekeeping on the thread
jsmith we wish you all the best in your desire to learn programming. Once again I do apologize for the thread getting so off-track.
Yes, good luck :)
And if you choose, C/C++, or to some extent Java or C#, members of this board may help you.
If you've never programmed before, download Python to learn the basics of writing and running a program, variables, data structures, flow of control, functions, objects, etc. When you decide what kind of programming you'd like to do (Windows, UNIX, games, web, etc.) you can pick a language and/or framework that is more suitable.
Realize that if you had asked this question in a Java forum, 99% of the answers would have been for Java. Ditto C, Assembly, Ruby, Ocaml, etc.
Cross platform frameworks are very popular, cross-platform applications may or may not be.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxorator
The concept is popular on both accounts.
There is an ever growing genuine interest in supplying applications that run on as many systems as possible - both commercial and open source or freeware. What is becoming passée is exactly the opposite.
Cross-platform apps are becoming dangerous if you ask me.
There's too many linux cross-platform applications. And they are a pain. Always. Annoying. Crap. Ware.
(Excuse my rant, I always get annoyed when applications require incredible setup and command-line use and config file editing, which is typical of linux apps.)
These cross-platform utilities really need to be adapted to each platform, since their userbases are all different.
Aww, poor widdle Elyisa, are the big bad Linux apps scaring you?
The term "linux cross-platform applications" is an oxymoron.
The accusation that these applications always require command line use or complicated setup is nonsense. None of the popular cross-platform apps I've ever used - Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice.org, Gimp, Inkscape, Audacity, and many more - have been any more complicated to install than your average Windows-only application.
GCC, Apache, among others I could mention.
I just can't get them working right.
GCC is a command line tool, period. Just like the MS compiler. And just like Visual Studio can hide the invocation of msc, Dev-C++ and Code::Blocks can hide the invocation of GCC.
GCC has no configuration files.
Apache is not a GUI program. It's a server. But there's this excellent tool for stopping and starting Apache, very gooey thing. Apache is also trivial to install, as it comes with an excellent installer.
Configuration is a different issue. But the complexity of Apache's configuration has nothing to do with the fact that those are files you're editing. But if you really need a GUI, look what Google turned up:
http://www.apache-gui.com/apache-windows.html
Yeah, unfortunately, you install VS and everything is ready to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by CornedBee
If I install Code::Blocks + GCC 4.3, I get tons of errors due to missing include paths which I don't know what they are.
It's just... frustrating.
That's the thing - it's too complex to edit.Quote:
Configuration is a different issue. But the complexity of Apache's configuration has nothing to do with the fact that those are files you're editing. But if you really need a GUI, look what Google turned up:
http://www.apache-gui.com/apache-windows.html
It could do with a good gui to do rules.
I have no idea what you're talking about. When I installed Code::Blocks, it worked out of the box.
Yeah, unfortunately, newest GCC only comes with GCC 3.4.5. When I tried installing GCC 4.3, all errors.
It has nothing to do with the apparent complexity of installing or using these applications, but instead with our ability to understand and welcome the fact not all systems share or need to share similar environments.
It is my view Elysia that you do neither, and you also have trouble switching over to anything else than a GUI. It's an important limitation of yours that I would advise you to fight against. It's unbecoming of a programmer or anyone else interested in computer science. But, in the name of me and everyone else to whom a non GUI environment is not threatening, I'd advise you to at least drop the expletives and avoid, among other things, call these applications dangerous. I feel somewhat insulted. I'm just asking.
It may be true that some embrace these things, but at the same time also true that some do not embrace it. Linux is known to be the OS for the typical power user, while Windows is for the more casual user base, which is why I would at least appreciate some cross-platform software to take this into mind and stop making things so complicated.
There are a lot of good, easy, cross-platform software, like Firefox, and I would love to see more cross-platform software like this. Because typically when we talk about non-commerical linux software, it's mostly "do everything yourself" instead of an installer.
This, I think, is something cross-platform developers should keep in mind. Just because they find it easy to configure, use, etc and moreover so, most of the install base for that specific platform, doesn't mean that other platforms are the same.
I have to say you're probably exaggerating your case. I think you're just being lazy to an extent.
Actually, in Windows, you search for the application in the internet, then download it, run it, press "I agree. Next. Next. Next. Next. Choose location. Next. Finish" and then you're done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elysia
In Linux, you open Synaptic, check the packages you need, and install them all with one click.
Err not quite done, also need to reboot the system, THEN you are done...Quote:
Originally Posted by maxorator
Don't forget uninstalling Google Toolbar after the reboot when you realize that it never gave you the option to not install it...
I'll just say - the most frequent programs that give me a headache because I can't get them working or it takes a lot of time, is cross-platform, linux apps.Quote:
Originally Posted by citizen
I'd rather have to be forced to restart than mess around with apps I can't get working right.
I know some guys who tried to make VC++6 work with the .Net 2003 command line tools (before MS provided the free Express Edition). Replacing the compiler of an IDE is not fun, and Linux has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Yeah, unfortunately, newest GCC only comes with GCC 3.4.5. When I tried installing GCC 4.3, all errors.
Precisely. You can't get it to work right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elysia
But... rtfm makes everyone smarter.
Reading through manuals is neither fun nor all-enlightening. It will still take a lot of time usually to find out WTH has gone wrong.
You might wonder why there are tutorials in some games and applications...
I'm not going to discuss this with you again :)
Take care.
Don't worry. I'm not itching for such a discussion again, either.
Let's just leave it at that...