The US Government sucks. A bunch of dumb-arse loosers, headed by George Bush (who by the way cant even spell his own name), let off, the biggest monopoly in the world. We're a country lead by morons. :mad:
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The US Government sucks. A bunch of dumb-arse loosers, headed by George Bush (who by the way cant even spell his own name), let off, the biggest monopoly in the world. We're a country lead by morons. :mad:
Is is that much of a problem? I mean, there is a reason why it is leading for software. You know? Microsoft is okay.
--Garfield the Great
I don't think that the fact that the US govt sucks means that microsoft sucks!
Oskilian
> I don't think that the fact that the US govt sucks means that microsoft sucks!
Yeah, I don't see any relationship either.
--Garfield the Great
umm.... the government let microsoft (a company that sucks), get away with an illegal monopoly (therefore the government sucks)
I don't see the problem everyone seems to have with Microsoft. One smart guy made alot of money...now everybody hates him and his company. Jealousy? I think so. I don't think Microsoft sucks, I don't think the US Government suck. If you think the US Government sucks, by all means, leave the United States and never come back. Or, allow us to call you a hypocrite. If you don't like Microsoft, tough nuggets, what you gonna do about it?
I just don't understand all the complaining. Also, I don't see how a supposed monopoly can affect one individual so much that he has to say he hates both the US Government, and Microsoft.
One more thing mfc2themax, if your not a fan of the US Government, why do you have an american flag as your avatar?
>>Is is that much of a problem? I mean, there is a reason why it is leading for software. You know? Microsoft is okay.
Yes... that’s why there are anti-competition laws...... They are there to stop corporations building insurmountable obstacles against normal competition. They also protect the consumer from monopolies.
>>One smart guy made alot of money...now everybody hates him and his company. Jealousy?
No not at all. The fact that he was successful is a good testament towards the opportunities the western world can offer. The problem arises after the success when he was left with a company that maintained its position in the market by unfairly hindering its competition. Also, M$ is not content with that position and now seeks to get involved with the everyday life of people. If you don’t know what I mean, look for Passport on google. Soon you wont be able to do anything on the net without Redmond knowing what you are doing.
Someone is not a hypocrite if they critisize theQuote:
Originally posted by TFOV
If you think the US Government sucks, by all
means, leave the United States and never come
back. Or, allow us to call you a hypocrite.
US government and continue to live here. They're
a patriot. They love their country so much, they
don't want to see it crumble under the leadership
of moronic politicians who seemingly always try
to pass unconstitutional acts.
>If you don’t know what I mean, look for Passport on google. Soon you wont be able to do anything on the net without Redmond knowing what you are doing.<
The registeration for passport, is no diffent then any other registeration. It just registers you for all the sites that use it.
2 things, FIRST , I think Oskilian would make a great name for a linux os "Oskilian LINUX".
SECONDLY, I don't like Microsoft, but I am glad it is all over because now I can really hurt bill when I take over his Monoply and watch him cry.
i agree, GWB is a complete idot, and MS sucks...my question is...if you dont like MS..then why is your name 'mfc2themax?
oh yeah, and i ahve nothing against bill in general, just the company..
Sounds like somebody got caught with a h4x0red corperate install of XP.Quote:
Originally posted by mfc2themax
The US Government sucks. A bunch of dumb-arse loosers, headed by George Bush (who by the way cant even spell his own name), let off, the biggest monopoly in the world. We're a country lead by morons. :mad:
I AM SO DAMNED SICK OF THIS STUPID QUESTION!!!
why does everyone hate MS?
is it because their jealous of bill? NO!!!!
is it because their linux zealots? NO!!!!
is it because their products suck? Partly!!
is it because they ARE EVIL STAMP OUT COMPETITION DESTROY ANY NAYSAYER BLAME ALL BUGS AND SECURITY LEAKS AND ANY OTHER OS ERRORS ON THE PEOPLE WHO FIND AND WARN OTHERS ABOUT THEM, AND THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WHOLE DAMNED WORLD AND IM NOT FRIGGEN JOKING ABOUT THIS THEY ARE!!!??? YES!!!!!
end rant...
i miss the days when i was not concerned with all these politics... when the word microsoft could mean just a lowered level of softness... and when i/we could all care less what we use and that we lived life not through our screens...
>Sounds like somebody got caught with a h4x0red corperate install of XP.<
Okay....... that really doesn't make any sense.....
>Someone is not a hypocrite if they critisize the
US government and continue to live here. They're
a patriot. They love their country so much, they
don't want to see it crumble under the leadership
of moronic politicians who seemingly always try
to pass unconstitutional acts.<
Exactly.
>If you don't like Microsoft, tough nuggets, what you gonna do about it? <
Thats a pretty lame response...
>I just don't understand all the complaining. Also, I don't see how a supposed monopoly can affect one individual so much that he has to say he hates both the US Government, and Microsoft.<
Thats because you've never worked for a company that competes with Microsoft, and experinced what its like. Its not my fault that your to naive to understand.
>One more thing mfc2themax, if your not a fan of the US Government, why do you have an american flag as your avatar?<
I should have been more clear, our current adminstration is the one thats terrible.
>i agree, GWB is a complete idot, and MS sucks...my question is...if you dont like MS..then why is your name 'mfc2themax?<
I registerd it a few months ago, didn't feel like getting a new one.
>Jealousy? I think so.<
Why would i be Jealous of Microsoft?? I turned down a position to work there (i talked more about it in a previous thread).
>The registeration for passport, is no diffent then any other registeration. It just registers you for all the sites that use it.<
Oh man, this whole world is gone from it.... nobody seems to know whats actually going on up in Remond.
>I mean, there is a reason why it is leading for software. You know?<
Yes i know, they use illegal tactics. I have a lot of good contacts with Senior level execs up there and have great insight into how the company works.
>I wouldn't even hire you to be a janitor. You are a ****ing bum.<
*****_King, you have the brain power of a house fly, trying to insult other people, just because your dumb doesn't do any of us any good.....
all those who think MS is innocent and targetted bcoz its so succesful
read these Confidential Microsoft Papers(known on the net as the Halloween Documents) and you may change your mind
http://www.opensource.org/halloween/
still more anti MS stuff
by eric raymond
with whom i quite agree
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/not-the-o...ween-rant.html
What I think is that more people nedd to start taking risks and abandon Microsoft and move twords Linux which is now pretty safe. The only reason Microsoft had a monopoly is because we have brainless Idiots that are too afraid to just take a leap from Microsoft and find something better.
> What I think is that more people nedd to start taking risks and abandon Microsoft and move twords Linux which is now pretty safe.
I don't know, that might explode in users faces.
--Garfield the Great
And that's the attitude that made microsoft rule the world.
Computers are not about comfort or predictability. Thant would be boring.
No, computers are about the excitment when you boot up wether it will work or not after you installed a new motherboard or recompiled your kernal. That is what a computer is about.
is your name unanimous purposefully? did you mean anonymous?
I just like that word and I am in the c programming hall of fame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAHOOOO!!!!
But lots of software are still written for windows...
AARRGHHHH!Quote:
Originally posted by unanimous
2 things, FIRST , I think Oskilian would make a great name for a linux os "Oskilian LINUX".
don't say that word!
I just happen to hate linux!
That's right, and all drivers are written for windows, that's why linux nor any other OS has been as good as windowsQuote:
Originally posted by *Michelle*
But lots of software are still written for windows...
Oskilian
DONT YOU SEE THE PARADOX?!?!?!?!?
>
But lots of software are still written for windows...
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software is being written for everything!!
>
That's right, and all drivers are written for windows, that's why linux nor any other OS has been as good as windows
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and 90% of drivers are written for *nix also
furthermore, Windows does not yet support firewire which means its way behind.
Paradox:
nobody writes software for anything but windows because everybody has windows, nobody will get other OSes because nobody writes software for other OSes, SO EVERYBODYS AFRAID TO MOVE AN MS WINS!!!! WAKE UP!
>and 90% of drivers are written for *nix also
furthermore, Windows does not yet support firewire which means its way behind.
*nix as of unix or linux?
and what is firewire?
Oskilian
>furthermore, Windows does not yet support firewire which means its way behind.
Windows XP supports it, and does not support USB 2.0, despite the fact that Microsoft is on the USB board.
>nobody writes software for anything but windows because everybody has windows, nobody will get other OSes because nobody writes software for other OSes, SO EVERYBODYS AFRAID TO MOVE AN MS WINS!!!! WAKE UP!<
I love this type of argument, everyone uses a microsoft product so microsoft sucks. Go figure.
Uhhh..... there's tons of software for Linux. Great software..... so the argument that there's not enough applications to make Linux viable, its pretty stupid.
Get Wine! Get Wine!! Get WINE!!!!!! :D :D :D
at www.winehq.com
I'll bet the most popular (as in most sales) are the ones written for windows. I mean, would any idiot write a program for linux and not for windows? I mean, there are a lot more people using Windows, and it is just normal to write software for it. I haven't seen one software that can't be used for Windows...There certainly is a larger variety...Quote:
Originally posted by mfc2themax
Uhhh..... there's tons of software for Linux. Great software..... so the argument that there's not enough applications to make Linux viable, its pretty stupid.
LOKI GAMES
http://www.lokigames.com
>>I will never use Linux! Its is not good enough for my purposes. It crashes too much.<<
You need to get some friends. Ya know the real kind that you can sit in the same room with and don't need a keyboard to communicate. Are you so desperite for any type of human interaction that you have to post such an obviously inflamatory and untrue statement? "Please someone talk to me..." I'm not saying that LInux never crashes, but it really puts the hurt on any windows product that you can throw at it. Ask anyone that actually works with critical server systmes (not you). ARe they going to implement an NT based kernel? No, simply because it makes them work too hard...
i'm suprised that on a C programming board that there are so many people making such ignornant comments as:
This is another example of someone who has know clue what's happening in the real world. Yes, a lot of software is written for Windows, but it just makes sense to write for windows first if you're concerned about turning a profit. Windows development is driven by business (for the record there's nothing wrong with that). There's a whole community of people that are dedicated to making quality software without concerns for money. Most of the Open Source GPL movement will write for a linux or unix platform first because the development TOOLS are FREE for those plaforms. Yes, the WOULD be idiots (or maybe just extremely generous) if they dropped several hundred dollars on Visual C++ and Microsoft Platform and then distributed the software freely. basically you have no clue beyond your out of the Gateway box experience...There's a ton of software written for linux before windows, an i take offense to you calling us idiots.Quote:
would any idiot write a program for linux and not for windows
you people need to get some balz and step up the plate...Windows is fine for the old ladies who email (or spend way too much time on message boards) or the brain damaged (like Troll_King), but if you're interested in software development don't be afraid to try Linux. It's only going to get better...
You just happen to hate Linux? It's not normal to just hate things without a reason. No really, I understand exactly what you mean, it's pretty easy actually: If you just know how to use Linux you won't hate it. If you're open-minded you won't hate it either.Quote:
oskilian
I just happen to hate linux!
As we all should know by now - you can help Linux by using it instead of Windows. Next thing is, drivers are not much of a problem anymore unless you have some very special hardware. And there are many ways and options in the *nix world, you can do 'whatever' you want. So don't try to come up with limitations you don't have a clue about!Quote:
That's right, and all drivers are written for windows, that's why linux nor any other OS has been as good as windows
Everyone... you like to exaggerate... please use numbers instead, I'm very interested myself. All I know is that Apache has 63% of the webserver market. Though I have no idea how many machines are running Appach on *nix, and how many are running it using Windows.Quote:
Troll_King
In this case, everyone is now using Windows
>>I'm sure there are a few relics out there but it's just a matter of time before you guys get blown away. WinXP data centre 64-bit has your number.<<
yeah sure...i can see it now. companies are cutting back on costs not increasing them. i would guess if anything they're going to go for the lower cost solution. Equal performance, less cost....
and think about this if Linux is dead or blown away as you so intelligently put it, why are companies like HP, Compaq, and IBM jumping on the Linux train. That's right they see opportunity, not a dead end...
Tell you what, you just keep buying C++ books and telling everyone that you've mastered C in two months, and keep your mouth shut when it comes to issues that impact the real world. You should maybe leave these discussions to those that are in phase with reality....
Hasn't anyone yet realized that almost all of the other OSes use Microsoft Internet Explorer? When the OSes that say microsoft should go down use Microsoft's Software!!
plus, internet explorer is the best;)
Where do they get those ideas?Quote:
Xterria
Hasn't anyone yet realized that almost all of the other OSes use Microsoft Internet Explorer?
Personally I tend to use Opera for Linux and IE for Windows. It doesn't really matter though. I'm also using Conqueror (for Linux), Netscape (for Win and Linux), Mozilla (for Linux) - and they're all doing fine for browsing the web.
I'm going to learn Lynx! :p Has anybody used it?
Netscape sucks, it's so slow...
And if you really do a survey, I bet there are more people using windows than linux. And if linux is so GREAT, why don't people switch? There must be a catch...Most people know that more software is written for windows...Even World Book CD-ROMs are written for Windows and Mac only..NO LINUX...ANd I've got the box right here, and I can't find the word LINUX anywhere...
>>And if you really do a survey, I bet there are more people using windows than linux. <<
i don't think anyone's trying to dispute this. It doesn't show anyting about the merits of one over the other.
>>And if linux is so GREAT, why don't people switch? <<
i really don't know. Fear, ignorance, no desire, and lack of information could be reasons. Everyone got a story the heard from their roomates best friend on why linux won't get the job done, and it tends to scare people. People need to stop listening to people like Troll_King and find out for themselves. I would just think that people who are interested in computer science would pick a platform in which they can view the source code and choose the path where they would learn more. you know, the adventure. my mistake.....
>>Even World Book CD-ROMs are written for Windows and Mac only..NO LINUX...ANd I've got the box right here, and I can't find the word LINUX anywhere...<<
yeah you're out of luck there...are you kidding? This and the Internet explorer comment have no merit. Browser selection has nothing to do with the merits of the operating system. World book CD-ROMs? wow...
my apologies if you're eight years old....
>I would perfer to have full control over my operating system so I choose Windows.<
That comment is pretty ironic....
I USE OPERA BOTH FOR LINUX AND WINDOWS.
As it was said people don't use linux because they are afraid that something will go wrong and they won't know how to fix it. Now tell me if I am wrong but isn't a big part of life learning? and that is exactly what you do when using Linux, you learn more about your computer what it is capable of and more about you skills as a computer aficianado. And you say you want more control of your OS but since you are a programmer you can have a lot of control over linux THEY DO GIVE YOU THE SOURCE CODE. It is called editing it.
In Linux you can easily make it do exactly what you want unlike windows. Now I have nothing against Bill and think he is doing a great job with the whole Microsoft thing but you can at least explore new worlds. What would it be like if no one ever tried to colonize America because it wasn't what they find comfortable. We'd all be traped in England and other countries being ruled by either a king or a communist instead of the President and we'd not have as many (if any) rights that we have. So in closing LINUX RULES.
>I would perfer to have full control over my operating system so I choose Windows.<
ouch, my brain hurts...stupidity level of the board ++...
>>I've used Linux and it's a piece of junk. I would perfer to have full control over my operating system so I choose Windows<<
first, this comment pretty much proves my point. Your comments hold no credibility, and the Windows user's "war" on Linux is fueled by ignorance.
second, why don't you share you're experience with us? if it was so horrilbe, you surely can enlighten us. i betting that linux could handle anything YOU could throw at it. I have never called windows a piece of junk. in fact i'm impressed with XP. My point is that Linux is and will be a viable option for business, research, and individual use. Cost and flexibility is always a factor, and Linux is getting better every day...
linux is just not user friendly enough for a normal person. Things like typing in "make" instead of clicking a button to install stuff make people angry. This is what M$ has done! A normal person can't operate more than one GUI, such as KDE AND GNOME at the same time, because on windows, it's all one...SHARING...I smell communism...
EDIT: BTW, troll king, u are the biggest idiot ive every seen...You would like full control over ur operating system, and u choose windoze? First of all, linux has more control, considering you can edit the KERNEL, second of all, this is my last post! Bye all! FOREVER!
>second, why don't you share you're experience with us? if it was so horrilbe, you surely can enlighten us. i betting that linux could handle anything YOU could throw at it.<
He has taken a class in linux, durring witch He thought linux was the best.
On browsers
I use IE 6. I tried opera, and it crashes as soon as I open it. I even reinstaled it.
>First of all, linux has more control, considering you can edit the KERNEL, second of all, this is my last post! Bye all! FOREVER!<
But that requies you to be a programmer, everyone is not a programmer don't foget.
>HP, Compaq, and IBM jumping on the Linux train
Compaqs suck everone know that. I belive Gateway also got on the train but jumbed off.
>you people need to get some balz and step up the plate...Windows is fine for the old ladies who email (or spend way too much time on message boards) or the brain damaged (like Troll_King), but if you're interested in software development don't be afraid to try Linux. It's only going to get better...<
I take offence to that, my grandma is cool she lisens to backstreet boys.
Backstreet Boys Suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Compaqs suck everone know that.<
Compaq delivers some of the best linux based servers in the world. Compaq has never deliverd Desktop systems with Linux.
>But that requies you to be a programmer, everyone is not a programmer don't foget. <
Well first off you don't need to be a programmer to customize linux, while it definatly won't give you the same flexability as rewriting code, its pretty customizable, out of the box.
Second this IS a programming board in case you forgot....
>I take offence to that, my grandma is cool she lisens to backstreet boys.<
Don't say things like that, it makes you look stupid.
>>Compaqs suck everone know that.<<
i was refering to their proliant and alpha server lines. They're availible with linux as an operating system. I agree, i don't think i would buy a compaq pc.
>>But that requies you to be a programmer, everyone is not a programmer don't foget. <<
i thought everyone here was a programmer. This is what i don't understand about the Troll. As a C/C++ programmer why he would dismiss something that let him examine the source code? The only explination is that he's survived some sort of massive head trauma.
Well, either TROLL works for Microsoft or he can't program at all!!!
>Well first off you don't need to be a programmer to customize linux, while it definatly won't give you the same flexability as rewriting code, its pretty customizable, out of the box.
Second this IS a programming board in case you forgot.... <
>i thought everyone here was a programmer. This is what i don't understand about the Troll. As a C/C++ programmer why he would dismiss something that let him examine the source code? The only explination is that he's survived some sort of massive head trauma.<
Windows is fairly customizable (except micromenies decide you can't change the start up screen windows xp, so no one can send it to me)
Everone here is a programmer, but everyone else is not. He dismiesses because he views windows as a a sperior OS. For a desktop windows has that, linux is much better for other applications.
>Don't say things like that, it makes you look stupid.
How? Whats your grandma lissen to?
I could just see the tech calls if everyone used linux
caller: I have a problem.
Tech : What is it?
caller: Where should say linux it says xunil.
Tech: What do you mean?
caller: What I said the wold xunil were it nomraly says linux.
tech: Did you modify the source code and reconpile it?
caller: Whats source code?
Tech: Um the code for linux. What are the last thing you did before this happend.
caller: useless infomation I then did a search for the world linux since I was board.
tech: hold it. Did you view any of these file?
caller: Yea,
Tech: Did you happen to change the word linux to xunil?
caller: Maybe.
Tech: and hit a button that said build?
caller: I din't do it on perpose I tell you.
Tech: Can you get those files back.
caller: I deleted them.
Tech: Yeah, will have to send someone over.
whoa! this thing gets updated a lot (specially when I'm not here, viey "Why oh Why" thread).
As for linux, I once had it, it really sucked! I couldn't use my modem, my sound card, my floppy drive, my CDROM, my CDRW, and when I changed my Video card, it just stopped working!!!
Oskilian
Hahaha, and may I ask a question..are all of the linuxs fans here using Linux?
And what's wrong with world book, do only 8 year olds read it?? :confused: They sure are a bunch of smart 8 year olds...
>>are all of the linuxs fans here using Linux?<<
yes, i am....
>>And what's wrong with world book, do only 8 year olds read it??<<
nothing i guess. if you can't part with your World Book CD-ROM, then you should stick with windows. you win. linux sucks...
>if you can't part with your World Book CD-ROM<
lol, thats a pretty dumb reason for anyone to use Windows....
and yes, several of my computers have Linux on the them.
A fat guy with poofy stupid looking hair in one of my classes is the only guy who uses Linux that I know. He got kicked out of class because he felt he could do a better job at explaining interupt requests than the instructor. He ran out of the room like a little girl and tried to slam the door but it had one of the air pressure anti-slam thingies on it. He looked really stupid. He also dropped out of school. Haha, he just lost about $900. I guess he felt he could have more fun playing with IRQs in Linux.
>A fat guy with poofy stupid looking hair in one of my classes is the only guy who uses Linux that I know. He got kicked out of class because he felt he could do a better job at explaining interupt requests than the instructor. He ran out of the room like a little girl and tried to slam the door but it had one of the air pressure anti-slam thingies on it. He looked really stupid. He also dropped out of school. Haha, he just lost about $900. I guess he felt he could have more fun playing with IRQs in Linux.<
So? Whats your point? Nobody cares..
several?? So how many computers do you have...Quote:
Originally posted by mfc2themax
and yes, several of my computers have Linux on the them.
>several?? So how many computers do you have...<
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To the original meat of this thread, here is an e-mail that was forwarded to me:
>>BEGIN E-MAIL
After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured
1,000, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.
After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 5 US military
personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and
punished.
After the 1996 Kohlrabi Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and
injured 200 US military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible
would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and
injured 5,000, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
and punished.
After the 2000 bombing of the US Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 US
sailors, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and
punished.
Maybe if Clinton had kept his promises, an estimated 7,000 people
would be alive today
------------------------------------------------
So, in view of this, consider this interesting question which was raised on
a Phil radio call-in show.
There are two men, both extremely wealthy. One develops relatively cheap
software and gives hundreds of millions of dollars to charity. The other
sponsors terrorism.
That being the case, why is it that the US government has spent more money
chasing down Bill Gates over the past ten years than Osama bin Laden?
>>END E-MAIL
Now to all of this crap about Windows vs. Linux. Each operating system has its own specialty. Windows for the non-technical people and Linux for the technical / scientific.
If I was writing a program for the masses, I would write it for MS Windows. I am currently working are a specialized software set that requires a high degree of stability, so it is being written for UNIX.
Now if you are working for yourself, you can write for whatever operating system you want. But most programmers work for someone, in the real world we write for whatever operating system the boss wants.
Now if you are a good programmer, all of your code would work in the MS and Unix/Linux worlds without having to change a thing. It can be done (even programming for windows).
mfc2themax, My point was to add a little humor to this silly thread. Geez, how old are you anyway? You sound like that one mean guy that sits in the front of the class that thinks he knows everything and go home to sit in a chat room for hours on end discussing how much something sucks and how stupid people are compared to yourself. Am I close?
Quote:
Originally posted by mfc2themax
>several?? So how many computers do you have...<
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????!!!!!! !!!!
OMG!!!!!!!!
Are they all in your house??? :eek:
First of all, I don't take this seriously.Quote:
Troll_King
Windows is more technical than Linux. It's more advanced and complex. Don't believe different.
I will assume some things based on what I've seen of you:
You don't know how Windows nor Linux are built up as you don't even know one single programming language fully. You don't know the Win32 API, nor do you know Linux GUI programming (like QT, for example (also available for Windows!)). You don't know Assembly, you don't know how a CPU works, you don't even know what an interupt is!
Of course, therefore you don't know what you're talking about when you say that Windows is more complex than Linux (LOL, you don't know anything). Maybe I should explain this to you: An OS is 'a hierarchy of software', from the kernel to a possbile window manager, and on the top there are applications (basicly) - so it's not possible to say that one OS is more complex than the other (at least not when comparing Linux and Windows). Because: They're different at different levels and they're using the same limited hardware.
Did you know that: I can emulate most Windows programs with my Linux, I can even start games like Deus Ex and UT (not really playable, I hope that will change in the future), there is 3D hardware accelerated graphics in Linux, basicly there is everything you can find in Windows.
Now please don't make any more stupid statements that depends on technical knowledge, because you're completely lost.
C# (and probably the entire .NET) will be available for Linux too! Isn't that fun?
Some are, some are not.Quote:
All these Linux users think they are 'technical', well they are NOT
You're not. I'm also learning about .NET. And besides that I'm also looking into other platforms and technologies. Don't forget: "Linux users" often means both Linux and Windows users.Quote:
Dude, I'm way passed you.
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Troll_King
Windows is more technical than Linux. It's more advanced and complex. Don't believe different.
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Windows is more kludged than Linux, don't confuse the two. Have you looked at the source? I have.
This usually happens when software development does not follow a good design process. Microsoft has some of the best programmers in the industry, but they do not have the discipline to follow a good process.
Here is a challenge, if Windows is more technical, then you should have no problem setting up a beowulf cluster with machines running a Windows operating system.
Please, post your solution to how you set it up. It would make you famous.
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????!!!!! !!!!!
OMG!!!!!!!!
Are they all in your house???<
uhhh... yeah....
First: the latest version and kernel of Linux is about 4000 times more advanced than the last one. I tried it before and thought it was a joke. I tried it again (SuSE 7.2) and was wowed. It is user friendly (don't ever have to see a "DOS" like prompt and the GUI is SOOOooo much better than it use to be). It supports a vast amount of hardware (finally!). It is built for medium to high end processors by default (no recompiling just to take advantage with SuSE). I have not recompiled my kernel once.
Second: Why limit yourself to one? Linux is free. Buy Windows and an extra hard drive and duel boot. I run all my C++ IDEs (MSVC included because it actually runs faster) from Linux (World Book would work too, Michelle). It has better support for Windows software sometimes than Windows does! (StarOffice handles weird Office XP tags better than Office 2000, so why pay?)
Play most DirectX games in Windows. Play Linux games with Linux. Be productive in both. Give your grandma Windows until Linux has better available tech support (like in my area).
hehhh, remember when Dean (Troll King) was fighting for Linux and against Windows? I wonder what the professors will tell him next year.. ;)
-Justin
Edit: I use both because I am a programmer. Why limit my audience?
If I sound like an Linux fanatic, it is because I usually play devil's advocate for the minority. I *gulp* like Windows (2K especially). I also recognize that there are probably as many or more Linux hard core users than Mac, and that they have almost an Amigaesque love for their OS. From experience, I know not to underestimate or write off an OS with this kind of near religious followers. It will be an important element in tech in the future. Period.
No, I don't even have any valid grades, I didn't felt like go getting them the final day. I had better things to do (like getting drunk and to have fun). I was in school less than 50% of time I was supposed to be there.Quote:
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Series X4, do you have a College degree?
I'm not in the industry, and I will never get there!Quote:
I'm in the industry, I don't know about you
I'm not one bit interested in buisness, politics, or my future. I'm only interested in the technical. Therefore my life will go to hell (suicide, being homeless, being a criminal, or something), this society has no solution for people like me. However, you're still not talking about anything technical, you're just talking about your future, M$, and buisness - which I'm not interested in at all. So we should just let it go, we're talking about different things. :)
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Why limit yourself to one?
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hehhh, remember when Dean (Troll King) was fighting for Linux and against Windows? I wonder what the professors will tell him next year..
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Finally someone has figured it out. In todays market, you cannot limit yourself to one thing. Being able to program for both MS and UNIX worlds can help in the real world.
I can just imagine Troll_King as a technical lead on a project and the customer having him fired because he will not explore all possibilites for a solution. In the real world, opinion has to be backed up by facts. Here is an example: if an operating system crashes under certain circumstances, what specifically caused the crash and why, or in test a candidate solution on the different operating systems, the results indicated that one operating system performed better than the other. Your own personnal opinion or that of your instructor will not cut it in the real world.
So, is Troll_King not going to code up a beowulf cluster on a Windows OS? The excuse will probably be not enough time, or that he does not have to prove anything to us. He will probably not admit that he can not do it.
>I've completed 2/3 of the cirriculum. I'm currently designing a security system which involves several GUI programs. I'm in the industry, I don't know about you. <
Whatever they throw at you in College is going to be nothing compared to what you actually deal with in real life.
Microsoft products were not even an option until recently for the enterprise. For very large businesses running mission-critical stuff, they still arent. Unix is way bigger in the enterprise than any Microsoft products are.
>I'm not interested in Linux or anything it has to offer.<
Thats too bad, your kicking yourself in the face when you go out and start looking for a job.
Microsoft has a great way of portraying themselves as if there the leader in enterprise products, i've worked for some of the largest enteprise software companies in the world (i2, Interwoven, SAP, Great Plains, PeopleSoft), and in that time have meet with hundreds of large corporations. Unix is by far the king.
I really don't know what does people see in Linux, Win95 is faster and stable (you could have a rock-solid system if you keep the right versions of the DLLs) it runs DX apps, it runs with a GUI in a 486 without problems, I think that the linux problem is that it is extremely bloated, an entire floppy for the kernel!!!, that is so much, win takes its parts, but runs OK, the only part of linux that I love is KDE, why?, because it runs ove Qt that runs over X11(XFree86) that runs over the kernel, that's a really fast prog, Heh?. my take: MS wants to corner the market (with .NET and its future sucesors), they can do it, at this very moment the only counterpart is Linux, a piece of crap, but nothing to do until I make and release my own OS.
Camilo (sorry for my grammar, I am just learning)
"Win95 is faster and stable"
excuse me? what version of linux did you install? have you been smoking the crack pipe? ill say your just learning that statement is preposterous
lol... was that last post a joke or something????
Camilo, you must know nothing about the tech world... lol
Yay! That's the spirit.Quote:
that run on all operating systems
And Windows CE is actually a very good MS product. If only there were Windows CE Server.. *sigh*
while(DEAN_IS_MAKING_SECURITY_PROGRAM)
laugh(insanely(100) /*100 = volume :)*/);
I'm sorry, but is it INTERNET security? if not I guess it could be Ok, but if it's for the internet...oh, man....
I remember teaching you what ping and tracert did a while back, not to mention you saying every single hit your firewall recorded should be reported and tracked, and the user of the machine jailed...something along those lines. I can just see it now: "What the...!! 'User Dean has tried to access 127.0.0.1 without authorization'?!?! HE SHOULD DIE!!!"
>Yay! That's the spirit.
It will. Once linux mac beos get .net ed
>And Windows CE is actually a very good MS product. If only there were Windows CE Server.. *sigh*<
Would you run a server on Palm? CE is not a server, and sega dosn't think so.
Waa...Stop arguing guys...I mean, both things MAY have their own good things...this discussion can go on forever and it also depends on the computer you are using, different computers are build for different operating systems...So...ya...I'm tired of reading so many essays... :D
gamegod3001, if you thought I was being sarcastic, I was not. Exhausted, yes, sarcastic no. I think .NET developers who target several platforms are most welcome.
On that note, I just now read this ENTIRE thread.. *whew* I had only read a couple posts back when I posted. It interested me that Troll King and others on several occasions said something to the effect of "use whatever you like" and that the Linux supporters jumped on them for it. (Sure, insults have gone 'round and 'round.) However, I think that that is a part of the negative stigma surrounding Linux. It is the same stigma that surrounded the entire tech world only a few years back (and still does to some degree). The idea that one way in computers is always the best is never true, so let's not get too personal eh? (I shall attempt to adhere to my own advice but give no promises.) ;)
Anyway, we all know that OskilianOS running on a Series X4 1.0 will enslave us all under its mighty power and superior multitasking, so why bicker over these primitive things?
Now this may just be me, but I look forward to reading the posts about this topic everyday it is sort of interesting hearing everyones opinions about linux compared to microsoft. I would also like to ask anyone if they would prefer the mac now that they are using a UNIX bsed OS?