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    You're conflating pollution with climate change.
    They may not be directly related to each other but I will say this, a pretty decent amount of pollution does directly contribute to climate change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MutantJohn View Post
    They may not be directly related to each other but I will say this, a pretty decent amount of pollution does directly contribute to climate change.
    Agree.

    Also have to add, all the arguments about pollution vs. climate change are kind of pointless. It's a fact that particulate pollution is getting worse and worse worldwide, and it's a fact that CO2 concentration is going up as well. I don't care if it causes climate change or not, I don't want to breathe more of either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MutantJohn View Post
    They may not be directly related to each other but I will say this, a pretty decent amount of pollution does directly contribute to climate change.
    That is true; but, I am NOT sure if they really know if the pollution is net cooling or warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    You're conflating pollution with climate change. Also, the US president doesn't have the power to unilaterally shut down anything.
    I'm pretty sure pollution helps climate change.

    I'd be surprised if a president didn't have the power to cause a lot of damage. Why else is there a president?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    I'm pretty sure pollution helps climate change.

    I'd be surprised if a president didn't have the power to cause a lot of damage. Why else is there a president?
    The nation does need an ambassador and commander in chief, apart from all of the legal work. A detailed explanation of what the president can't do is longer than you might believe.

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    Which is why I am reacting to the literal meltdown on the internet with ridicule, frankly. No matter what marginalized people may be going through, while they absolutely have the right to be afraid or cautious, I don't want it to be a panic. It probably is a panic. These people need civics class.
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    Well, apparently a president can overturn decisions made by others. I'm no expert, but Obama did veto the court decision to ban Apple products from the country (the court war mongering war between Apple and Samsung some years past) if I remember right (but refused to do when Samsung products were banned). Obama also threatened to veto any decisions concerned net neutrality, I believe. That looks like plenty of power to me.

    But to be honest with you, I don't know what a president can or can't do, and I probably never will. I still don't understand the overcomplicated US government system. But what I believe is that Trump WILL find a way to make trouble, one way or another.
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    I'm not saying he won't either. A lot of things that the president is blamed for often happen through arms of the government working together because they all march to one drum. No matter what I refuse to believe that Republicans are going to suddenly do everything he wants. Trump will learn his place in the machine well enough. Remember the rules for rulers: No man rules alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    Trump will learn his place in the machine well enough. Remember the rules for rulers: No man rules alone.
    I'd love to see him being put in place, though =)
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    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    @Elysia: Congress can veto the president's veto with a 2/3rds majority vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Well, apparently a president can overturn decisions made by others. I'm no expert, but Obama did veto the court decision to ban Apple products from the country (the court war mongering war between Apple and Samsung some years past) if I remember right (but refused to do when Samsung products were banned). Obama also threatened to veto any decisions concerned net neutrality, I believe. That looks like plenty of power to me.

    But to be honest with you, I don't know what a president can or can't do, and I probably never will. I still don't understand the overcomplicated US government system. But what I believe is that Trump WILL find a way to make trouble, one way or another.
    Obama also vetoed the law that would make it legal to sue Saudi Arabia for their involvement in the 9/11 attacks. Congress then vetoed him. Checks and balances. Congress rejects Obama veto, Saudi September 11 bill becomes law
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    Separately, all this stuff that's happened or come out afterwards kills me. California should secede, riots/protests, doomsday predictions, declaring it a national tragedy, media/bloggers calling every Trump voter an uneducated white retard, electoral college should be abolished, etc.

    It's easy to see why the same people who are scared by Trump were such Hillary fans -- they take everything said by both candidate at face value, which is naive. Guarantee most of the outlandish stuff Trump has talked about won't happen, because he knows, he'll get impeached. He's not popular with reps or dems, if he goes nuts they'll just get rid of him. And if he isn't nuts, then he'll likely do good for the US. The guy is a successful businessman and has been in the public eye and on TV for years, what is more likely? a) really plan on doing all this crazy ........ that scares people senseless, or b) say all this crazy ........ to appeal to middle America to get elected

    whiteflags is 100% in saying "Trump will learn his place in the machine well enough." The American president is not a dictator as many think (reps making Obama out to be one, dems surely going to make Trump to be one). Also @whiteflags 100% agree that people need civics class. Those of us in the US should've learned this in high school. Had to pull out that card every time the super-rights I know would say outlandish crap about Obama, have to remind them that the president can only do certain things....

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    Obama's 11 previous vetoes were all sustained.
    So apparently some proposals hits the president's office, is vetoed and stops progressing from there. Apparently it's not so easy to override a veto as one might think, at least from what I gather from that article. Plus it takes two thirds majority to override veto. That still makes it way too easy for the president to veto something if they don't like something and the chances of it being overturned is apparently somewhat low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    So apparently some proposals hits the president's office, is vetoed and stops progressing from there. Apparently it's not so easy to override a veto as one might think, at least from what I gather from that article. Plus it takes two thirds majority to override veto. That still makes it way too easy for the president to veto something if they don't like something and the chances of it being overturned is apparently somewhat low.
    Okay, but you still get that congress writes the content of these laws/bills? The president only has the power to sign things into law or veto it. He can't author. And then after that congress can veto his veto, or the supreme court can declare the new law unconstitutional if it is so.

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    Yeah, I heard something to that effect. But I read the president is responsible for the budget. Of course, the house/senate/whatever can still reject it, but again, if you just reject bills without providing any improvements anywhere, what good are you as president?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Yeah, I heard something to that effect. But I read the president is responsible for the budget. Of course, the house/senate/whatever can still reject it, but again, if you just reject bills without providing any improvements anywhere, what good are you as president?
    I don't understand what you're arguing. This is how it's been in the US for a long time. I'll agree with you that the whole system is crap, if that's what you're driving at.

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    Eh, I'm just saying that with Trump as president, even though the system will keep him in check, we probably won't be seeing anything good come out of it. I imagine it will be like Trump tries to do something, gets rejected. Senaste/house tries to do something, gets vetoed.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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