Thread: Could Windows suck any more than it does?

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    I'm gonna pull the Elysia card and say that that's getting in the way of me just using my computer.

    One of the things I loved about Arch was that it kind of just gave you what you want. Most everything was just a `pacman -S` away which was amazing. Manually looking through a deb file or managing my own packages isn't attractive to me.

    My point is, Linux isn't a panacea either. To sum this thread up, computers, they suck. But they also don't suck. It's a real love-hate relationship. Just like me and Haskell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MutantJohn View Post
    I'm gonna pull the Elysia card and say that that's getting in the way of me just using my computer.
    I feel the same about toilet paper. It bothers me that it comes in rolls and not already in folded sheets of 4. All the unnecessary work of folding it myself gets in the way of me wiping my arse.
    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    I feel the same about toilet paper. It bothers me that it comes in rolls and not already in folded sheets of 4. All the unnecessary work of folding it myself gets in the way of me wiping my arse.
    hahahah!

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    Oh wow, 4's a lot. I'm down to 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MutantJohn View Post
    It's very, very easy to not use `apt-get`, for example, and just do a source-based installation of a package.
    I would consider this a strength.

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    This is abhorrent and only causes problems.
    Only causes problems? What do you do when the library you want to use is only available in source form, and not available from a package repo?


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    I've done it and that's how I know it's a bad idea.
    Sounds an awful lot like the "in my experience" argument made earlier in this thread by Elysia.

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    Because when it comes to removing it, checking its version, etc, not having the package manager back you up is almost crippling. It also creates headaches when you finally do use the package manager and there's conflicts.
    That's why you install it to its own folder in /usr/local. It's literally that simple. If you don't do that, you have only yourself to blame. Don't blame "Linux" for your own inability to manage your own computer.
    What can this strange device be?
    When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
    It's got wires that vibrate and give music
    What can this thing be that I found?

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    I think you might be talking about a different problem, but when installing software I have to build, I use CheckInstall to have the package manager be aware of it.

    p.s. I don't fold, I crumple.

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    Nice, going to save that for the next manual build

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    CheckInstall looks like an amazing tool!

    But Elkvis brings up some good points. A lot of that stuff was never explained to me. Then there's the mix of hostility and utility.

    Basically, I don't want using a computer to be that hard. I'm not into sys admin. I'm a programmer. I love programming. I don't want to do sys admin. Linux makes development fun and easy but there were a lot of weekends where I had to sys admin instead and that's not that attractive. I'm going to dual boot.

    Btw, Windows does not support filenames with question marks in them. That is stupid. It's also hard to find good software to monitor things like your temperatures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MutantJohn View Post
    It's also hard to find good software to monitor things like your temperatures.
    There are a ton of programs that can monitor temperatures. HWInfo is just one example.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    So far, the best one I've found is HWMonitor by CPUID. Pretty cool that it can even give you per core temperature too.

    Btw, do you know if there's a simple command line tool I can use to GET a URL and check the response header? I'm trying to look up the content security policy for a site I frequent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MutantJohn View Post
    Basically, I don't want using a computer to be that hard. I'm not into sys admin. I'm a programmer. I love programming. I don't want to do sys admin.
    You must admit it is hard to take this seriously, when we consider a programmer is someone deeply invested in solving problems, dealing with challenges, learning all about computers. You may not want to be a sys admin of a corporate network. But if you don't want to be a sys admin of your own computer, I'm afraid you won't go far as a programmer. Not so much because you absolutely must haaaave that knowledge. But because it betrays an attitude that isnt compatible with the career of a programmer.

    But that isn't you. I may know you better than you know yourself. So, here's what:

    I'd rather you tried to stop finding justifications for your actions. You trade programming languages like someone changing a shirt. And now you are trading operating systems. And that is perfectly fine. Who doesn't want to experiment in the beginning of their career? Everyone does that. What doesn't seem right is you trying to justify all of it as if there was something wrong with an operating system that is used by millions and who don't share even one gram of your concerns and difficulties.

    Currently you are mesmerized by Windows after an incident with Arch left you frustrated. We get it. We also get that you allowed yourself to become too dependent on a distro that tells you not to do that until after you master it, because Arch is just not any distro. We also get it that all your time invested on Arch wasn't accompanied by an exploration of point-release distros and so you just don't seem to understand their different administration methods and flows. So, instead of pulling an Elysia on us unsuspecting victims and keep on firing shots at things you have little understanding of, just stop talking and enjoy your time with Windows. You earned it.
    Last edited by Mario F.; 11-05-2016 at 01:09 PM.
    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MutantJohn View Post
    Btw, do you know if there's a simple command line tool I can use to GET a URL and check the response header? I'm trying to look up the content security policy for a site I frequent.
    Try Powershell.
    Invoke-WebRequest
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Try Powershell.
    Invoke-WebRequest
    The irony

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    The irony
    Lol'd hard

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    Whenever I need my computer's temperature, I just reboot and check UEFI. I find that is the only measuring tool I can trust. Most just don't work with my current components.

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