Thread: Could Windows suck any more than it does?

Originally Posted by whiteflags

That's the same thing as what docks do.

From your description, the only dock that comes to mind is Ubuntu which I've tried, and I can't say I'm a fan of it.

But that's another thing - Linux is so customizable, and there are so many distros out there, so unless one is willing to go out there and look and try everything, you're usually not going to find Windows-like experience out-of-the-box.

Windows 10 is so horrible in so many ways -_-
And I've never been less excited about a new FF game than FF15. Worst. FF. Game. Ever.

Originally Posted by MutantJohn

Sunday morning, normal `pacman -Syu` and then boom, invalid configuration written to a kernel-critical file that killed my Gnome shell.

Something similar happened very recently. After 3 months of not updating I did the mistake of running a -Syyu. Kaput!
The thing with Linux though (and the most valuable lesson I will take from my years with Arch) is that other than an hardware failure, there is simply no way you can't recover a Linux installation. You can reinstall sure. And sometimes you do it just because you can't be bothered. But you don't have to, if you don't want to.

Originally Posted by whiteflags

That's the same thing as what docks do.

More importantly, why do we even care if Linux does not take every random little feature of Windows?
If I decide my operating system based on whether it groups opened application icons, I'm using my computer wrong. Same goes for Start Menu features. Nice additions are nice additions. But they are only a motivational standard for the simple-minded.

Originally Posted by Elysia

In fact, in the ideal world, IMO, we should have both a GUI and a CLI because some people find GUIs easier and some find CLI easier.

Well, Linux is your perfect world then.

Originally Posted by Elysia

But from my experience, what I said is still relevant.

Elysia, there's no "my experience" in using an operating system for less than two days or watching videos on youtube. Those activities aren't relevant in the construction of an opinion. You won't accept the claim of someone saying they know how to program in C++ after they wrote the hello world application on page 1 of the book. Ignorance is one of the greatest qualities anyone can have. Is the path to learning. Any ignorant is ok in my book. I'm ignorant about many things. Whereas an idiot is an ignorant with opinions.

Well, it's clear I don't have enough experience to talk about Linux, so I'm just going to exit myself from this discussion. Everyone criticizes me, so I should take that as a hint that I don't know what I'm talking about.

But I'll just leave a few notes.

Originally Posted by Mario F.

More importantly, why do we even care if Linux does not take every random little feature of Windows?
If I decide my operating system based on whether it groups opened application icons, I'm using my computer wrong. Same goes for Start Menu features. Nice additions are nice additions. But they are only a motivational standard for the simple-minded.

Because I've tested with and without (Linux) and to me, with is just more preferable.

Originally Posted by Mario F.

Elysia, there's no "my experience" in using an operating system for less than two days or watching videos on youtube. Those activities aren't relevant in the construction of an opinion. You won't accept the claim of someone saying they know how to program in C++ after they wrote the hello world application on page 1 of the book. Ignorance is one of the greatest qualities anyone can have. Is the path to learning. Any ignorant is ok in my book. I'm ignorant about many things. Whereas an idiot is an ignorant with opinions.

Just for the record, my experience with Linux isn't limited to "watching two days of videos on youtube." It's hands-on experience with several distros for real work. Not a main OS. No. As a virtual machine mostly for compiling stuff.

Originally Posted by Elysia

Just for the record, my experience with Linux isn't limited to "watching two days of videos on youtube." It's hands-on experience with several distros for real work. Not a main OS. No. As a virtual machine mostly for compiling stuff.

Mostly for compiling stuff? I wonder if that is why you found yourself using the command line at times where most of the non-technical or non-power users around us can typically do very well with GUI-only on modern newbie-friendly Linux distros.

Yeah, compiling stuff because y'know, everyone thinks they should make libraries for Linux instead of both Linux/Windows. Some companies also think they should put synthesis tools on Linux instead of Windows. Another reason I've used Linux.

It also typically involves downloading archives and unpacking them. And that, in my limited experience, tend to be a pain too since few file managers tend be "good" in my experience, compared to what I'm used to on Windows.

Originally Posted by Elysia

everyone thinks they should make libraries for Linux instead of both Linux/Windows.

There's nothing to discuss here. You don't want to acknowledge the tremendous and much larger amount of software that is being done windows-exclusive, or you'll dismiss it "companies have costs", while at the same time you charge Linux developers working on their free time as not being responsible enough to cater to your windows needs.

Originally Posted by Elysia

few file managers tend be "good" in my experience, compared to what I'm used to on Windows.

The reason why I dislike talking with about Linux with you is exactly on how easily you throw the word "experience" around. It's meaning completely lost to you. And your constant refusal to admit that you don't hold sufficient knowledge to trade blows on equal terms with those arguing with you. People working with both operating systems on a professional or hobbyist capacity for years have a lot to teach you. And yet you refuse it on a continuous basis, probably because you confuse teaching with indoctrination. Very likely you fear both. I tried to warn you about the differences between an ignorant and an idiot. But I think that flew over your head.

Most people will simply ignore you, or quickly address any finer points and move on, largely uncaring of your unfounded opinions. I can't because of my stupid weaknesses; my desire for confrontation and a profound distaste for human idiocy, that I can't seem to be able to shake of and that I consider one of the roots of all that is wrong about humanity. But rest assured, seemingly contrary to you, I care about my flaws and my weaknesses. It wouldn't take me so long to adopt the position of so many other people concerning your opinions if I weren't an even bigger idiot than you.

Hi Mario F., you jerk.

Apparently the meaning of experience is lost on you, as well. My experience differs from others, and I can only draw conclusions from my own experience. It's not like your experience sits in my head.

I already admitted: I don't know enough about Linux to argue. People could probably teach me a lot, this has dawned of me. Really. But I'm not going to argue, because it leads nowhere except people like you complaining that I'm ignorant, my experience means nothing, and that the way I like to live and do things is "stupid", and so on. Well, screw you.

Originally Posted by Elysia

Yeah, compiling stuff because y'know, everyone thinks they should make libraries for Linux instead of both Linux/Windows. Some companies also think they should put synthesis tools on Linux instead of Windows. Another reason I've used Linux.

This is awesome. Elysia was forced to use Linux because some software Elysia wanted or needed was not available or was a second class citizen on Windows. Keep up the good work, friends. This is the right strategy as it obviously works with Elysia, just like it obviously works with me as I have been forced to use Windows because some software I want or need is not available or is a second-class citizen on Linux.

Of course, it would be great if you supported both Linux and Windows. Yes, I am talking to you Windows-only software developers.

On a more serious note, clearly greater platform support is an overall win, but to say that "everyone thinks they should make libraries for Linux instead of both Linux/Windows" is unfair criticism, when likewise one can unfairly claim that "everyone thinks they should make games for Windows instead of both Linux/Windows", or some other similiar statement.