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    Opinions on Brexit?

    Saw the news this morning about the 51.9% majority vote for Brexit, and David Cameron vowing to step down in October. I've been seeing a lot about Brexit on LinkedIn but haven't really had a strong opinion either way (especially since I don't live there). It seemed like staying would've made more sense from a trade standpoint though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epy View Post
    Saw the news this morning about the 51.9% majority vote for Brexit,
    Doesn't matter. Brexit won't happen.


    Quote Originally Posted by Epy View Post
    It seemed like staying would've made more sense from a trade standpoint though.
    Europe traded just fine before the Union. It would trade just fine after. Brexit hurting the economy is nothing more than FUD; most of the trading agreements that exist, can be reimplemented with ease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    Doesn't matter. Brexit won't happen.
    It would be political suicide for parliament to disregard the will of the people.

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    Europe traded just fine before the Union. It would trade just fine after. Brexit hurting the economy is nothing more than FUD; most of the trading agreements that exist, can be reimplemented with ease.
    I absolutely agree. You don't need to be part of a club to make deals.
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    Anyone knows why the media couldn't call it "British Exit" but instead resort to the semi-abbreviated form "Brexit" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesmithx View Post
    Anyone knows why the media couldn't call it "British Exit" but instead resort to the semi-abbreviated form "Brexit" ?
    To sound hip and trendy.
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    Europe traded just fine before the Union. It would trade just fine after. Brexit hurting the economy is nothing more than FUD; most of the trading agreements that exist, can be reimplemented with ease.
    Or maybe you just don't care about short-term economic consequences, rather than all of the analysis being FUD. It's just as silly to think that Britain leaving the EU doesn't affect the economy. After all, if someone sneezes, the stock market goes down. Of course Britain leaving Europe will have an effect, just like some state leaving the USA would have an effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    Or maybe you just don't care about short-term economic consequences, rather than all of the analysis being FUD. It's just as silly to think that Britain leaving the EU doesn't affect the economy. After all, if someone sneezes, the stock market goes down. Of course Britain leaving Europe will have an effect, just like some state leaving the USA would have an effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    Or maybe you just don't care about short-term economic consequences, rather than all of the analysis being FUD. It's just as silly to think that Britain leaving the EU doesn't affect the economy.
    Leave voters certainly are concerned about the economic consequences. A short term disruption in business is worth the long term economic liberties that come about from leaving. In the long run, not being under Brussels' thumb would be a very good thing for Britain's economy.


    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    After all, if someone sneezes, the stock market goes down.
    Most people aren't affected by stock hiccups.


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    Of course Britain leaving Europe will have an effect, just like some state leaving the USA would have an effect.
    The EU will invade Britain, then after defeating it, disband each member state's military, and create a single EU military?

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    A short term disruption in business is worth the long term economic liberties that come about from leaving.
    Are there that many economic liberties to pursue? If Britain leaves and a new trade deal is struck, then EU regulations will likely have to be followed anyway.

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    Britain has always been a thorn on the side of Europe. Figuratively and geographically.

    But this is certain, if Britain leaves, the whole of the European project falls down with it. Not immediately, but eventually soon after, in the space of a decade or so. EU will be politically liquidated by a British defection. Make no mistake. Without Britain there is no Europe. And this is as much true as without France there is no Europe, or without Germany there is no Europe. And to see the dream of an united Europe fall prey on the hands of a few nationalists manipulating public opinion saddens me greatly. But make no mistake I'm talking about British nationalists and European nationalists. Because a big part of the Brexit reason to be we can thank Europe itself, with its double-faced leaders publicly extolling the virtues of the EU and privately trying their best to protect their national interests against the interests of an united Europe.

    What the Brexit is demonstrating is not a willingness of British to leave Europe. The polls don't matter. The British people are completely clueless to what the benefits or damages are and how this will affect their lives. They are just swinging on the rope of politics, not of economic, of social or of military considerations. And that rope is being held by the European politicians and their rhetoric. No, instead what the Brexit clearly demonstrates is decade after decade of a failed and uninspiring democracy. Europe has some of the most taciturn, boring, uninspiring, ugly, old and incompetent leadership in the world, completely incapable of progressing the dream of an united Europe because they can't simply maintain the European flame alive, when they can't even maintain their own wives alive back at home.

    The only reason the Brexit has votes is because we, the Europeans, simply can't understand the EU. We can't communicate with our representatives, we don't understand the mechanisms, their rules, the advantages or disadvantages. In fact the European population has been completely segregated away from the European project. And so we have brexits born of our ignorance and the ability of a few manipulative characters to make it work in their advantage.
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    I think it is a mistake, as this defies a unified europe with common laws, regulations, easy trade within borders, etc, etc, etc. But I know nothing about the politics or economics involved, so it's just an opinion on my side with no weight behind it.

    Since when do citizens ever make informed decisions? If you aren't actually knowledgeable in the topic to be voted upon, you're just going to guess. Yeah, various parties tend to send out information about the vote, but those are all biased one way or another, so they're no help at all. I'm thinking that maybe public votes are evil, after all.
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    Good riddance to the bad rubbish that is the EU.

    I am totally happy that BREXIT happened, and look forward to the day the whole of Europe is free from EUSSR.

    Blow it out of your @ss Mario
    There is NO democracy in the EU - all the people with the real power have NEVER been elected by popular vote. It's all just "jobs for the boys" for all those has-beens that have been kicked out of office at the national level.
    The EU parliament (the one where the masses get to elect MEP's) is merely a talking shop and a rubber stamp machine. It has NO legislative power at all.

    Enjoy your slavery to the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    Are there that many economic liberties to pursue?
    Less red tape is a good thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    If Britain leaves and a new trade deal is struck, then EU regulations will likely have to be followed anyway.
    The US, China, Russia, Korea, all trade with Europe, yet they are unrestrained by its union.


    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    I think it is a mistake, as this defies a unified europe with common laws, regulations, easy trade within borders, etc, etc, etc.
    We are Europe. Exit is futile.

    Why is voting for control over your own government a mistake? Are even more laws that hold people down a good thing, because they're shared among states?


    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Since when do citizens ever make informed decisions? ... I'm thinking that maybe public votes are evil, after all.
    It's my understand that the KSA and DPRK don't have public votes. Since the citizens can't make informed decisions, it's better the king/emperor does it for them. It's the Utopia you dream of, Elysia!


    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Britain has always been a thorn on the side of Europe. Figuratively and geographically.

    But this is certain, if Britain leaves, the whole of the European project falls down with it.
    The EU depends on Britain, yet Britain is a thorn in its side?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Make no mistake. Without Britain there is no Europe.
    European Union != Europe. Even with a Brexit, Britain would still be a part of Europe. You talk like the've decided to pack their bags and space-lift their nation to another planet.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    The only reason the Brexit has votes is because we, the Europeans, simply can't understand the EU. We can't communicate with our representatives, we don't understand the mechanisms, their rules, the advantages or disadvantages.
    Sounds like a good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    Blow it out of your @ss Mario
    I'm a federalist, mate. Nothing would make me happier than seeing the end of national political division in Europe. Britain, Portugal, and everyone else in EU, just state members of an European Federation.
    So, yeah. I will have to blow it out now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    There is NO democracy in the EU - all the people with the real power have NEVER been elected by popular vote. It's all just "jobs for the boys" for all those has-beens that have been kicked out of office at the national level.
    I forgot to point yet also that problem when I was arguing as for why the Brexit happened. Totally agree!
    But make no mistake, you guys killed the EU project. Leaving EU is not the same as fighting the EU from within the EU. That referendum had the wrong question. To me the Brexit is the sort of tantrum you throw when things aren't right but you don't care about changing them

    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    Enjoy your slavery to the EU.
    Enjoy your new free economy... and the referendum in Scotland asking for indepence, and the dwindling British Pound, and the 1 million signatures (on last count) currently sitting in your parliament asking for a new referendum.

    Or do you really think this isn't coming without political, social and economical consequences? You didn't, did you?
    Enjoy your new Britain mate. No one in Europe is laughing. And you won't be laughing either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    European Union != Europe. Even with a Brexit, Britain would still be a part of Europe. You talk like the've decided to pack their bags and space-lift their nation to another planet.
    Unless you paused for a moment and realized I obviously meant European Union, not the geographical Europe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    Sounds like a good reason.
    I have plenty of good reasons to leave my children to fend for themselves. My health, my financial security, the time I can now spend for myself enjoying the things the world has to give me before I die. I have good reasons to do it that would make my life so much easier. But I have responsibilities...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    I'm a federalist, mate. Nothing would make me happier than seeing the end of national political division in Europe. Britain, Portugal, and everyone else in EU, just state members of an European Federation.
    To each their own, but as the poll demonstrated, a lot of Brits don't want to enslave themselves to a few elites in Brussels in the name of unity. Freedom to choose your own future is something a lot of people actually want.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    To me the Brexit is the sort of tantrum you throw when things aren't right but you don't care about changing them
    The people can't change the EU. The only rational way to play a game that you can't win, is to not play at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    and the referendum in Scotland asking for indepence,
    Good for them. Like Brexit, that will never happen. But it would be great for them if it did.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    and the dwindling British Pound
    Yet, it's still stronger than the euro. Funny how that is. And the pound is already on its way back up.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    and the 1 million signatures (on last count) currently sitting in your parliament asking for a new referendum.
    An excellent idea. Keep polling until its results are what the people in power want.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Or do you really think this isn't coming without political, social and economical consequences? You didn't, did you?
    Enjoy your new Britain mate. No one in Europe is laughing. And you won't be laughing either.
    The consequences would be good for Britain. But, don't count your laughs before your Brexit has hatched.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Unless you paused for a moment and realized I obviously meant European Union, not the geographical Europe.
    Yes, but you talk as if a Europe without the Union isn't hardly a Europe anymore; which I'm trying to say, isn't true. Cooperation can exist without submission.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    I have plenty of good reasons to leave my children to fend for themselves. My health, my financial security, the time I can now spend for myself enjoying the things the world has to give me before I die. I have good reasons to do it that would make my life so much easier. But I have responsibilities...
    I'm not sure who's suppose to be the parent and who's suppose to be the child in this analogy, but Britain has no responsibility to the EU, it has a responsibility to the people who's backs it rests on.

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