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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia, futher down the exact same page
    Most emulators just emulate a hardware architecture—if operating system firmware or software is required for the desired software, it must be provided as well (and may itself be emulated). Both the OS and the software will then be interpreted by the emulator, rather than being run by native hardware. Apart from this interpreter for the emulated binary machine's language, some other hardware (such as input or output devices) must be provided in virtual form as well; for example, if writing to a specific memory location should influence what is displayed on the screen, then this would need to be emulated.

    Sounds exactly like something WINE doesn't do, hence people insist on the difference. Normally, you at least pick sources that agree with your own point.
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    Sounds to me exactly what it does, hence why I quoted it.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epy View Post
    (except Cygwin is more complete IMO).
    That's because the SUS is much easier to implement than the Win32 API - a likely reason why so many non-windows OSs support it natively, but rely on interface layers like Wine to implement Win32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkvis View Post
    That's because the SUS is much easier to implement than the Win32 API - a likely reason why so many non-windows OSs support it natively, but rely on interface layers like Wine to implement Win32.
    It doesn't help that the WinAPI isn't well defined, it only ever has 1 reference implementation at a time, and the source of which is closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Sounds to me exactly what it does, hence why I quoted it.
    If you like Wiki, it has a page for compatibility layers; it does differentiate it from emulation, and Wine is listed.

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    Ultimately don't really care what everyone else does, to each their own.

    I just drank the Lubuntu kool-aid myself, so. Note that I keep mentioning Lubuntu, not Ubuntu. Ubuntu comes with too much out of the box IMO (not that it hurts anything, but still). Lubuntu is super minimalist but has access to the Ubuntu reps for anything you want to add, and honors Windows shortcuts, so the transition was easy. I love how super light-weight it is. I don't need flashy UI crap. I just want the computer to turn on and work, take me to the internets, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    It doesn't help that the WinAPI isn't well defined, it only ever has 1 reference implementation at a time, and the source of which is closed.
    The Windows API is just terrible IMO, Microsoft changes too much between Windows versions and so much crap breaks simply because of the _WIN32_WINNT macro being set wrong somewhere mysteriously.

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    I have to defend Microsoft a bit. They have always been very generous given that you pay for their products. It is only when you pirate and that I did a long long time ago that you hate them. Do NOT get me wrong. I am sure there are a lot of good people out there who hate Microsoft for good reasons. I just think they have been very generous and fair. One reason is I bought a handful of Microsoft Products with hard earned working money from my family. Everytime I had an issue with re-activation because of a virus they have always come through. I can't say the same when I try to get it for free though. I love my Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with Service Pack 2. I love my Windows; I don't know how I can ever live without 32-bit XP. I see so many comments against Microsoft that I have to give 1 example for them. I like their native running of 16 bit softwares in 32 bit Edition. I have completely disabled the internet and there are NO viruses whatsoever. I use VirtualBox to boot up XP. Jesus Christ! Microsoft Windows Vista in French is another Edition that I own. I love it! Everytime I needed to re-install the activation is taken perfect care of. Don't get me wrong. I do have a Mac and dual boot so I'm not saying Apple is wrong. In fact I have it set up in such a way that BOTH Mac and Microsoft are equally deserving of a reward for a good job. Being a life long programmer in the making I am amazed at Microsoft's talents. I know a friend who works for Bill Gates and he is one who takes extreme attention to detail and is very talented. I can't say the same for my style that is considered spaghetti code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tien Nguyen View Post
    I have to defend Microsoft a bit. They have always been very generous given that you pay for their products. It is only when you pirate and that I did a long long time ago that you hate them. Do NOT get me wrong. I am sure there are a lot of good people out there who hate Microsoft for good reasons. I just think they have been very generous and fair. One reason is I bought a handful of Microsoft Products with hard earned working money from my family. Everytime I had an issue with re-activation because of a virus they have always come through. I can't say the same when I try to get it for free though. I love my Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with Service Pack 2. I love my Windows; I don't know how I can ever live without 32-bit XP. I see so many comments against Microsoft that I have to give 1 example for them. I like their native running of 16 bit softwares in 32 bit Edition. I have completely disabled the internet and there are NO viruses whatsoever. I use VirtualBox to boot up XP. Jesus Christ! Microsoft Windows Vista in French is another Edition that I own. I love it! Everytime I needed to re-install the activation is taken perfect care of. Don't get me wrong. I do have a Mac and dual boot so I'm not saying Apple is wrong. In fact I have it set up in such a way that BOTH Mac and Microsoft are equally deserving of a reward for a good job. Being a life long programmer in the making I am amazed at Microsoft's talents. I know a friend who works for Bill Gates and he is one who takes extreme attention to detail and is very talented. I can't say the same for my style that is considered spaghetti code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesmithx View Post
    I thought you were a spam bot at first but I was mistaken. You are worse .... a teenager. I don't know about your signature but your post is pure.. Blashphemy!
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    No one cares about 16-bit software nowadays. You are living in the wrong time era. Go back to the 90s. You'll belong there.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    No one cares about 16-bit software nowadays. You are living in the wrong time era. Go back to the 90s. You'll belong there.
    I plan to go back to the 90's in another one thousand years in the future hehe

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