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    Point taken on the military aspect, although most conflict over the last decade or so could be categorised as guerrilla warfare - so if you are not willing to engage, no matter how difficult, you leave yourself at a strategic disadvantage. But on the particular issue I'm addressing - I don't remember any anti-war protestors holding placards reading "stop the war because we don't like guerilla warfare" !

    In fact if anything - from what I've seen a lot of the positions could be categorised as

    1) War is bad, so stop it. ( True, but naive)

    2) Stop the War - as if it was merely a War between the US and the North which the US should disengage from to stop. When in fact
    it was a war between North and South with the US supporting the South.

    Also there appears to be a complete silence on the struggling South Vietnamese from the anti-war demonstrators - almost as if they were unaware they were actually there. And a complete silence too on their fate after the war - refugees, sent to "re-education centres", and the suicides of many of their officers. No one amongst the anti-war protesters seemed to voice any concern over their fate before or after. They appear to have largely been forgotten, although I found a website in which many South Vietnamese expressed their gratitude to the US for trying to defend them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemera View Post
    1) War is bad, so stop it. ( True, but naive)
    Naive how? I believe that this is the most rational reason to stop fighting war. I believe every nation needs a strong national defense, but to instigate conflict outside your own borders is morally wrong, and even to get involved in someone else's conflict is morally questionable. Humanitarian aid is one thing, but direct military action in a war in which you hold no stake is a slippery slope.

    Every war in the last 200 years (or more) has been fought for one thing: money. On the surface, they've been labeled as wars of independence, wars to end slavery, wars to liberate nations from sadistic regimes. In reality, they've been about nothing but money. The war that the Russians fought in Afghanistan was ultimately for natural resources, and the continuing US operations exist for the same purpose. Even the civil war was more about money than anything else. The central banks fund the wars, and of course wars incur massive debt. WW2 was funded on both sides by the central banks, which funded the Germans, because the central banks are mostly run by Germans, but they also funded the Allies, in hopes that they would defeat the anti-Semitic Nazis, because those running the central banks were, at least at that time, also primarily Jews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkvis View Post
    Naive how? I believe that this is the most rational reason to stop fighting war. I believe every nation needs a strong national defense, but to instigate conflict outside your own borders is morally wrong, and even to get involved in someone else's conflict is morally questionable. Humanitarian aid is one thing, but direct military action in a war in which you hold no stake is a slippery slope.

    Every war in the last 200 years (or more) has been fought for one thing: money. On the surface, they've been labeled as wars of independence, wars to end slavery, wars to liberate nations from sadistic regimes. In reality, they've been about nothing but money. The war that the Russians fought in Afghanistan was ultimately for natural resources, and the continuing US operations exist for the same purpose. Even the civil war was more about money than anything else. The central banks fund the wars, and of course wars incur massive debt. WW2 was funded on both sides by the central banks, which funded the Germans, because the central banks are mostly run by Germans, but they also funded the Allies, in hopes that they would defeat the anti-Semitic Nazis, because those running the central banks were, at least at that time, also primarily Jews.
    Well, the US is independent, slavery is ended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemera View Post
    Well, the US is independent, slavery is ended.
    Yes, and those are indeed great things; however, the American Revolution's moral justification is questionable. The British government was taxing the colones to pay for a war they fought on the colonies' behalf. The American Civil War was fought over states' rights, not slavery, as we are typically made to believe in school. The simple fact of the matter is that the President of the United States lacked the constitutional authority to free the slaves. The states retained that power, due to the 10th amendment to the US Constitution, which states "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Since there was no constitutional provision for the president to have that power, he was in violation of the law. I don't think anyone will question the morality of the action, but legally, he didn't have the power to do it. Lincoln's motives were also less than noble. His intent was to free the slaves so that they could be deported. Lincoln is documented to have been quite a racist, at least before his election to the presidency. Like most politicians, he probably said what he needed to say in order to be elected.
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