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    Visual Studio Community Edition and Open Source .Net

    I'm sure many of you have heard about this by now.

    Opening up Visual Studio and .NET to Every Developer, Any Application: .NET Server Core open source and cross platform, Visual Studio Community 2013 and preview of Visual Studio 2015 and .NET 2015 - Somasegar's blog - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    Hopefully, this will put an end to all the Turbo C++ crap that we see around here. I suspect that it's too much to hope for, but a guy can dream.

    What are your thoughts?
    What can this strange device be?
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    I doubt it will put an end to Turbo C++.
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    O_o

    And why would this announcement change much?

    Excellent C++ tools have been freely available for the major desktop platforms for over a decade....

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    Does this mean Linux is getting VB .NET?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MutantJohn View Post
    Does this mean Linux is getting VB .NET?
    Yes, eventually.
    What can this strange device be?
    When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
    It's got wires that vibrate and give music
    What can this thing be that I found?

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    I think Microsoft is doing it as a last ditch effort to dominate the market. If they start making their products for Linux (to look all cool 'n' trendy like Valve) then they will eventually conquer them as well.

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    Maybe they'll "dominate" if they remove the diarrhea. I'm not anti-Microsoft per se, but I don't use any of the MS compilers because of all the bloat and gross complication. CMake is as advanced as anything needs to be for the build process, period.

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    > Hopefully, this will put an end to all the Turbo C++ crap that we see around here.
    Not a chance.

    TC++ is institutionally mandated in several countries with bureaucracies that make continental drift look positively snappy.
    Nobody gets fired for towing the party line, and no one dares to challenge the brain damage being done. The smart kids learn the modern stuff by themselves, then leave the country.
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    Forgive me for my ignorance but is Turbo C++ bad or something?

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    Well it pre-dates by a good margin such things as
    - Any C++ standard
    - Y2K
    - Any file system which isn't 8.3
    - Any system capable of addressing more than 1MB of memory
    - Any system with a display resolution 640x480 pixels x 256 colours.

    It's now so old that to run it on a modern system, people have to resort to running it inside virtual machine emulators of some ancient DOS machine.
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    Wow, that 1MB thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MutantJohn View Post
    Wow, that 1MB thing...
    "640K ought to be enough for anybody." IIRC, Often attributed to Bill Gates, he denies it.

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    I'm actually glad to hear this. I was wanting to learn C# at some point with the .NET framework, but I read a lot of warnings that it would have to be with Visual Studio, and the express version probably wouldn't cut it.

    Plus every time I use Visual Studio Express I get a "micro-transaction" sort of vibe (I wouldn't be surprised if a newer one came with a UI that allowed you to buy features one by one lol).
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    Why wouldn't the express version cut it?
    It's also not a micro-transaction IDE - Microsoft doesn't do that. Its products are either free or commercial, if history has anything to say.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Why wouldn't the express version cut it?
    If you want source control integration or other plugins, you need standard or better.
    What can this strange device be?
    When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
    It's got wires that vibrate and give music
    What can this thing be that I found?

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