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  1. 05-02-2014 #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epy View Post
    Not being argumentative here, just really want to know the truth -- is this a fair comparison? It's my understanding and personal experience that Wine is missing a LOT of functionality. A lot of programs don't work or otherwise I'd never touch Windows ever again. Like, unless someone has taken the time to get a specific program to work, there's like 50% chance it won't work. I was under the impression that Mono had a lot of stuff implemented and does a pretty good job compatibility-wise (I have no experience with this, just hearsay). I looked it up and they've implemented all of .NET 2.0 but are still working on stuff past that.
    I know that in spite of being complete, Mono is pretty good, however I am always amazed at how well Wine works.
    Now, when I say "garden of Microsoft", I mean that it's direction is dictated soley by them as much as I mean that it'll work best on their platforms. So I do think it's a fair comparison. But if someone has had extensive recent experience with both Mono and Wine, feel free to correct me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Epy View Post
    My 2 cents on the topic subject: due to the implementation, I'd liken C# more to Java than to C++.
    Agreed. I understand an implimentation of C# and is going to be quite different from C++ (and much more like Java). I simply mean them to be syntactically similar; heck, the name gives it away if nothing else.


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    I still love Yarin's post though XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantomotap View Post
    Are you two kidding?

    "Drawrf Fortress" crushes both with a massive payload of awesome.
    Kidding? Why would I be kidding?
    I know nothing about this "Drawrf Fortress" of yours, but I simply implied that Terraria > Minecraft. That doesn't meant there is no ??? > Terraria > ??? > Minecraft.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    That doesn't meant there is no ??? > Terraria > ??? > Minecraft.
    Your revised inequality seems to suggest that Minecraft is definitively the worst of its category.
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    Just when I thought this thread could not stoop any lower, it turns from zealotry/bigotry concerning programming language (which is bad enough) into zealotry/bigotry concerning games.
    Right 98% of the time, and don't care about the other 3%.

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    Just when I thought this thread could not stoop any lower, it turns from zealotry/bigotry concerning programming language (which is bad enough) into zealotry/bigotry concerning games.
    O_o

    Yeah, and every disagreement is a flame war...

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpy View Post
    Just when I thought this thread could not stoop any lower ...
    Considering this thread has not (yet?) devolved into a series of ad hominem attacks, I'd say it's better than the average Internet discourse.
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    Oh, don't mind grumpy, he's just being, well, a tad grumpy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantomotap View Post
    Yeah, and every disagreement is a flame war...
    I disagree with you.
    Right 98% of the time, and don't care about the other 3%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    Your revised inequality seems to suggest that Minecraft is definitively the worst of its category.
    I disagree with you. There are games far worse than Minecraft (I'm not fan of Minecraft, but it doesn't mean I think it's bad).
    So another revised inequality for you:
    ??? > Terraria > ??? > Minecraft > ???
    Better?
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    So another revised inequality for you:
    ??? > Terraria > ??? > Minecraft > ???
    Better?
    I'll revise it for you again:

    x¹ ≥ Terraria ≥ x² > x³ ≥ Minecraft ≥ x⁴

    (although IMHO, Mincraft > Terraria)
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    x¹ ≥ Terraria ≥ x² > x³ ≥ Minecraft ≥ x⁴
    O_o

    You crazy. x² is obviously superior to x¹.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantomotap View Post
    You crazy. x² is obviously superior to x¹.
    x¹ and x² are free variables, so by definition it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    x¹ and x² are free variables, so by definition it is not.
    o_O
    There is only one variable: x. If such is the case, the it holds that x² > x¹.
    We're not talking about indexes here! We're talking about powers!
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.
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    If you were talking about exponents, it would make just as much sense. Presume that 1 is equal to the perfect name and 0 is equal to the worst possible game. Assuming perfect is not an attainable figure, it would suggest that x is the limit as n approaches 1. Thus each power of x would be inferior to the last an approaches 0 as it increases.

    P.S. someone who uses math more than I do might poke holes in my phrasing on limits, but I'm pretty sure everyone understands what I mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    o_O
    There is only one variable: x. If such is the case, the it holds that x² > x¹.
    We're not talking about indexes here! We're talking about powers!
    And power is a fickle thing. What happens if x = 1/4?
    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.
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