Thread: Vote!

Originally Posted by std10093

PS - Because i am Greek and we invented all these that many countries rely on (liberty,vote and other perfect political concepts) i feel deeply disappointed with the fact that world leaders like the ones of USA for example present these concepts not as they were stated back in ancient Greece, in order to gain power...

Oh please, spare me your condescending words!

* You mean ancient Greece, the same that with its democratic principles would nonetheless accept and exercise slavery? What "liberty" exactly are you talking about?
* You mean that Greece in which only men could participate in the entire democratic principle and only men where considered citizens? What "perfect political concept" is this?
* You mean that Greece which could only hold on to these incipient democratic principles for 200 years, before falling back to despotism well into the 20th century? What "vote" are you talking about?
* Or you mean the modern Greece, the one whose government lied to the European Union about their national debt and initiated the European Euro Crisis? Who exactly do you think is "deeply disappointed" here?

There's this general criticism of Americans for not knowing heir history. For having it being taught to them through rose tinted glasses. But let me tell you, everyone is guilty of the same, including your little highschool speech there. Learn your history well before trying to make yours concepts that never were.

We can admire ancient Greece (and let me tell you I'm a big fan of ancient Greece for different reasons altogether) for having created an initial draft of what we call Democracy today. And only for reasons of it's direct voting system; by no accounts were ancient greeks the first to have tried systems to give power to the people. But by no means you should think you created modern democracy or even came close to define it. For all that matters, we could also thank ancient Greece for having created it and then immediately throw it in the rubbish bin of history.

Originally Posted by Mario F.

Oh please, spare me your condescending words!

* You mean ancient Greece, the same that with its democratic principles would nonetheless accept and exercise slavery? What "liberty" exactly are you talking about?
* You mean that Greece in which only men could participate in the entire democratic principle and only men where considered citizens? What "perfect political concept" is this?

I was waiting for comments like that.These was actually made by myself too, to my mother.Think of what were the global situation and global ideas where back then and you will answer your questions by yourself
Check the importance of women in Sparta.

Originally Posted by Mario F.

Oh please, spare me your condescending words!
* You mean that Greece which could only hold on to these incipient democratic principles for 200 years, before falling back to despotism well into the 20th century? What "vote" are you talking about?
* Or you mean the modern Greece, the one whose government lied to the European Union about their national debt and initiated the European Euro Crisis? Who exactly do you think is "deeply disappointed" here?

So you think that the reason you are in crisis is me.I won't blame you.Media influence.When i arrived in Switzerland for my scholarship i was asked from a local girl if i pay taxes?!?!?! :P And she did not have any bad intentions for me, she was just influenced by the media.But did i say something about modern politicians of my country?What i said is that they are so bad, that make USA's politicians to look good :P

Originally Posted by Mario F.

There's this general criticism of Americans for not knowing heir history. For having it being taught to them through rose tinted glasses. But let me tell you, everyone is guilty of the same, including your little highschool speech there. Learn your history well before trying to make yours concepts that never were.

I do not seem to understand well what you are saying.America has no history.Greece has history.Egypt has history.America has no history.It has only modern history.
If you are saying that i am not able to state correct the greatness of ancient Greece, you are totally right.But do not get this greatness underestimated because of a child that can not present all these as they should be It's unfair.

Democracy is that old.

EDIT : My posts lead to off topic conversations.
I remind what virtualace asked :

I am interested to hear what those from other countries think about what would happen in their country if the US economy collapsed? Would it affect you that much or would your companies and country find other investments to shore up your own economy? I know what it would do here but I still do not have an understanding of just how much the US economy affects the world.

Originally Posted by std10093

America has no history.Greece has history.Egypt has history.America has no history.It has only modern history.

Really? By what account do you formulate such an extraordinary opinion? Because the nation was formed in the 18th century?

By that account Greece has no history, because Greece was actually formed one century later. Having never been a truly independent state before that (first being made up of city-states, then ruled by the Romans, then the Byzantine, then the Ottoman) until it finally become an independent state in 1830, some 60 years after USA.

You should be happy to know, no one denies Greece its history. So do everyone else a favor and extend the same courtesy to every other nation in the world. Contrary to your narrow-minded mentality born of an European grudge that only makes us look bad, uneducated and rather cretins, USA has a rich history that spans from well before its foundation as a nation to the present day. Deny that, and you'll be denying your own country history.