Originally Posted by brewbuck:
Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.
No my friend..there's the point where psychology cannot help you and they point you to priest. Exorcism is pretty rare...one catholic priest in Vatican says that about 98% of "possessions" are in fact psychological disorders the rest are real possessions and the only way to "heal" the person is through the ritual of exorcism.
Because you're an unreflective bumpkin . There is obviously a rational and empirical element -- social animals (like homo sapiens) which cannot do any good for anyone else tend to end up ostracised and/or dead. This does not mean they have to do good for everyone, of course.
I heard of an interesting study lately whereby pre-verbal babies were shown simple morality plays with puppets and clearly demonstrated a passing of judgement on characters who did "bad" things to other puppets. Being well behaved probably has a significant natural/genetic component, or at least our genetic heritage has left us with capacities the evolutionary purpose of which is making moral distinctions.
Most likely, being "bad" is much more of a learned activity. Eg, AFAIK all carnivorous mammals must learn to hunt.
Again, this is just the aliens playing mind games with the clergy.
Last edited by MK27; 05-23-2010 at 09:54 AM.
C programming resources:
GNU C Function and Macro Index -- glibc reference manual
The C Book -- nice online learner guide
Current ISO draft standard
CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
cpwiki -- our wiki on sourceforge
That is sort of where I was going with my question.
My personal opinion is that it makes more sense to define good/evil in a way that it gives you a reason to be good/evil. Otherwise, you are most likely worrying without a reason. Creating restrictions rather than freeing yourself from them.
But it goes the other way around for some. They worry about such silly crap that is why the feel it goes further. Which makes them serious crap for them. Saying that it doesn't "go further" implies that either they are stuck to worry, which is not a very optimistic approach. My point being that the worrying makes it wort it for many people, as the alternative is worse for them.
Sure, but as a religious person you must dismiss the logic of nature and make it seem like we need the Church to morally guide us, because it is the foundation of rational morality, when in truth religion is a perversion of such whose historical significance is simply about power and politics, and for whom "morality" is a means of social control used to justify ancient hegemonic political structures and endlessly perverse, abhorrent behaviour by it's followers (eg, Manifest Destiny).
C programming resources:
GNU C Function and Macro Index -- glibc reference manual
The C Book -- nice online learner guide
Current ISO draft standard
CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
cpwiki -- our wiki on sourceforge
So what is good or bad anyway? How does one define that?
It can be relative for each person. Is there an absolute definition of these two?
Well, I don't know. The answer is on your side, no?
I mean, what on earth do you think an atheist as to say about exorcism? And why exorcism? Don't you agree that is a strange question? I'd expect to be asked... I don't know... what do I think of churches values concerning good or evil, or at the very least questions concerning the doubtful nature of being an atheist (I agree it's hard to believe there is such a thing is true atheism). But exorcism? Weird.
But you want an answer, right? Fine.
I think its an ignorant ritual fueled by the church dogma. But that is exceedingly embarrassing in our modern societies and so the church rarely feels comfortable discussing or even hearing it mentioned.
Originally Posted by brewbuck:
Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.
C programming resources:
GNU C Function and Macro Index -- glibc reference manual
The C Book -- nice online learner guide
Current ISO draft standard
CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
cpwiki -- our wiki on sourceforge
Few words here:
-ignorant
-embarrassing
-modern
What is ignorant about it?
Why embarrassing? Because of the science?
Modern? Modern technology, modern lifestyle, modern values? Modern as opposed to what? Church teachings?
Anyway, Church's mission is not spectacle, but to provide the good news of salvation, to spread the faith in Jesus Christ.
So every exorcism is kept in secret, not to give too much attention to devil (spectacle) and to keep possessed person's dignity.
Yes, as I said before I think the vast majority of people who claim to believe in God are lying. They may have very good reasons to do so -- such lies are no real crime. Religion is not completely without some redeeming value.
However, I think they are also aware of the "moral weakness" inherent in this stance, and as a defence they make these kinds of arguments (that objective morality is impossible without a God), all of which can be dismissed reductio ad absurdium.
C programming resources:
GNU C Function and Macro Index -- glibc reference manual
The C Book -- nice online learner guide
Current ISO draft standard
CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
cpwiki -- our wiki on sourceforge
The fact they believe and support the notion people get possessed.
Because the idea of possessions and exorcism very closely rubs against the notion of superstition. A word very dangerous to any church, and avoided at all costs. It's the fastest way to lose your supporters and the faithful, in these day and age where even Faith is becoming a luxury.Why embarrassing? Because of the science?
Right. Yeah. Whatever.Anyway, Church's mission is not spectacle, but to provide the good news of salvation, to spread the faith in Jesus Christ.
So every exorcism is kept in secret, not to give too much attention to devil (spectacle) and to keep possessed person's dignity.
Originally Posted by brewbuck:
Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.
They don't believe here....they actually preform the ritual and through the name of Jesus Christ heal the person.
It happens that possessed person can't stand any elements which are being used in the process of exorcism (sign of cross, holy water, name of Jesus Christ...). Self suggestion?
Superstition?
I think you should study exorcism. See what other side says about it.
Otherwise..this doesn't make any sense at all.
See, that is the problem why people are so judgemental towards religion. No one really understand what the religion is all about. No one actually took time to study church's teachings and yet they take every right to spit on it based on superficial information they gathered from the media.
That my friend is an ignorance.