[Copyright Stuff] So, do you "Shameful" Canadians Care?

[phantomotap]

I'm just curious if this influences absolutely anything you do, have done, or plan to do in any way whatsoever?

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Added a link for context.
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Soma

Canada still in copyright "hall of shame" according to the US

[CommonTater]

From the article...

you're just going to have to pass a major copyright overhaul that makes US rightsholders happy.

And since when do we Canucks owe the US anything?
In case nobody noticed this is a soverign country, not the 51st state.

[phantomotap]

And since when do we Canucks owe the US Big Content Machine anything?

Fixed.

And you don't, but then, to my mind, the US doesn't either.

Soma

[CommonTater]

Nice... so now you rewrite my posts and comment on your rewrites?

Back to the good old ignore list for you!

[phantomotap]

You can't even take a joke in a thread that is itself a joke?

Soma

[MK27]

From the article...
And since when do we Canucks owe the US anything?
In case nobody noticed this is a soverign country, not the 51st state.

Born and raised here, beg to differ, LOL! And we just proved it again by elected the most pro-American party we could to a majority. They will certainly deal with this issue in a way that appeases these American priorities, just count the days. Don't forget to take a look:

C-32

Can't pass even as it is now, they will get really draconian capitalist style.

You can't even take a joke in a thread that is itself a joke?

Soma

Look, they're making fun of us.

[Mario F.]

I'm just curious if this influences absolutely anything you do, have done, or plan to do in any way whatsoever?

No of course. Well, sorta. I'm not Canadian or American and my country isn't on this Axis of Evil list. Never been there in fact, as far as I know. And the reason some EU countries may be is because they are lagging behind in adopting passed EU resolutions, or with Constitutions that don't allow them to create these laws.

But... it kinda affects me knowing copyright policies in other countries when I plan to develop for foreign markets. I actually see USA attempts at enforcing worldwide IPR policies and agreements as beneficial for everyone. In fact IPR agreement is a sine qua non condition for certain types of deals between companies in different countries, or may strongly affect the decision to enter a foreign market or what kind of measures are to be taken when entering it that may change the quality of the offering.

Now, we can discuss the current IP policies in place and agree they may not be the best. That in fact intelectual property laws needed to be, hmm, rationalized. But frankly, current conditions (rising piracy, organized and semi-organized hacking groups becoming more aggresive, etc) don't really favor the possibility of anyone suggesting the lax of these laws without being thrown out of the room. As far as I'm concerned, with the current situation, and thinking of my own interests, I favor a more aggressive response to IP violations. And the 301 Report is one of many possible contributions to just that.

[CommonTater]

Fear not Mario... software and multimedia piracy is and always has been illegal in Canada, as is copying of DVDs and CDs for resale.

The big debate is over the making of electronic copies of media for private use...
For example:
Is it or is it not legal to rip a CD and put the songs on your iPod?
It is or is it not legal to copy a DVD movie for data protection purposes?

It's really very draconian... If they had their way we'd have to pay 3 times to have the same song on a CD, iPod and iTunes...

[Yarin]

Surprised to not see Sweden anywhere on that list.

[Mario F.]

That does bring the discussion to a level I don't feel very comfortable with, because while I did say I believe these laws should change to something less restrictive (I also support shorter IPR periods... although nothing like the 5 year nonsense of the PirateParty), I must confess that at the same time, the current DMCA and the future ACTA agreement is the natural course, giving the situation IP holders face themselves nowadays. And I don't even think software or music is the most troubled industry. Books have been particularly hit.

The thing is the DMCA and the ACTA didn't just pop out of thin air to ........ everyone off. While I won't deny I believe there's the presence of lobby influence motivated by profit, there's also a great deal of Reaction on those documents. And frankly, the so called Big Content can kiss my rosy cheeks. What I'd applaud would be more aggressive legislation with smaller processual costs that could actually do something for the small IP holder with fewer resources.

[phantomotap]

What I'd applaud would be more aggressive legislation with smaller processual costs that could actually do something for the small IP holder with fewer resources.

*carefully bangs rum glass on table*

Hear, hear.

Soma

[CommonTater]

What I'd applaud would be more aggressive legislation with smaller processual costs that could actually do something for the small IP holder with fewer resources.

Copyright and "IP holders" (which includes me) should have nothing to do with eachother. The ISPs and their uplinks should be declared "common carriers", prohibited --like phone companies-- from interfering with or even knowing the content passed along their infrastructure.

ISPs are not cops... they provide a data carrying service. Nothing more.

[Mario F.]

What?

EDIT:
IP != Internet Protocol
IP == Intelectual Property

[CommonTater]

What?

EDIT:
IP != Internet Protocol
IP == Intelectual Property

Too many acronyms ... not enough clarity .... my bad.

Still, by either definiton I am an IP holder

Just carry on without me...

(FWIW... there was some talk about having ISPs policing "illegal" downloads, it's all very confusing)

[zacs7]

Yay, Australia isn't on the list. :-)

As far as I'm concerned, copyright is a civil not criminal matter, i.e. not really for governments to get involved with/interfere with.