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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    You speak as if though "if something works why change it" is flawed. Why?
    Because it hinders development.
    XP was a good OS. So should we stop there? Should Vista and 7 never have come out?
    That is the flaw in that attitude. Things that are good enough can still be improved. And if we stick to that motto, then we would miss out the better stuff.
    That is why I am so-so against that motto.

    To be fair, I can understand that it is a hassle to upgrade to 7, partly because it would have to be a reinstall and partly due to it is a completely new architecture, which is bound to bring changes, and sometimes not always for the best. So the once stable system might become unstable.
    But I do think it would be a good idea to try out something new when you get the excuse for it, ie a new computer or the OS crashes and you cannot recover or something like that.

    You seem happy with your Microsoft stuff, because of that, I'm not trying to sell you on what I use, even though I think it's better. Do you think you'd have better luck converting a satisfied person?
    To be honest, I am not entirely a fan of Microsoft software. The ones I use is simply because I know of no better alternative or I simply do not want the hassle to try other software out and adapt to the new environment.
    Microsoft software is huge, sluggish and treat you as dumb. Usually no settings to configure and so. I do not like it.

    Conversions are difficult things. How easy it would be would depend on your definition of satisfied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    The ones I use is simply because I know of no better alternative or I simply do not want the hassle to try other software out and adapt to the new environment
    Ah! So you agree.
    That's good to know.
    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    XP was a good OS. So should we stop there? Should Vista and 7 never have come out?
    It does get a little obnoxious when we have a discussion like this every time there is a Windows 7 or (previously) a Vista thread. There has to be a time to stop posting. So just.... make sure you're not stirring the pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    It does get a little obnoxious when we have a discussion like this every time there is a Windows 7 or (previously) a Vista thread. There has to be a time to stop posting. So just.... make sure you're not stirring the pot.
    This is not about Windows specifically, it is about the general idea, really.
    All it says is that: do not think that what you have is the best. Try other things out, just for the sake of it. You might take a liking to it.
    Switching to something new can be done however you want, if you want, at a privileged time.

    As for the UI:
    Microsoft did not steal it from anywhere. They looked at how people worked and did experiments to increase their productivity.
    There are a lot of videos and commentaries about that stuff available on the web. They did research to improve the UI, simply put.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    As for the UI:
    Microsoft did not steal it from anywhere. They looked at how people worked and did experiments to increase their productivity.
    There are a lot of videos and commentaries about that stuff available on the web. They did research to improve the UI, simply put.
    What? As time passes, Windows' UI looks more and more like Linux's, and Mac's, the changes in 7 from XP is evident of this.
    All they did in researched was check out the competition. But hey, I don't have a problem with that. They saw something(s) good and decided to use them, the better the better. The only thing I dislike in the matter is that people who don't know better assume it's all original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Microsoft did not steal it from anywhere. They looked at how people worked and did experiments to increase their productivity.
    There are a lot of videos and commentaries about that stuff available on the web. They did research to improve the UI, simply put.
    Perhaps not "steal", but being at a uni where Microsoft comes to recruit all the time ... they love the SE HCI students -- which more than often showcase Linux window managers. Sure once you sign the IP agreement, the idea is theirs but oh well.

    Nothing against Microsoft at all, why wouldn't you want to benefit from other areas of advancement? I would be more upset about Mac selling their OS when it comes with a bunch of free software (like vi, X, etc), so you're basically paying for it.
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