Thread: Resources for professional games

Hello all,

I was just wondering about how hard those "professional" games actually are to make. I'm talking here about games like Zelda, World of Warcraft (I realise these would be two of the more advanced games on the market so far). Purely from a coding-aspect. So I'm wondering:
- How many lines of code would such games have?
- How many coders are usually on such a project at the same time?
- How many lines of code is every programmer expected to write per day?
- How many months does it take to write such a game?

Does anyone have any indication of the answers? I don't expect a perfect answer, just a rough estimation. And like I said, just out of curiosity.


Thanks in advance

Edit: I do realise lines of code is a dreadful question really. I'm talking about C++ here. And about GOOD lines of code. On a normal day (since, of course, one hard bit may take a day for only a few lines). Just as an indication.

As a general comparison, I think I can offer you a little insight.
On a game such as Zelda, for Gamecube, say, the team is maybe 30-50 people total (coders, art creators, directors, etc, etc), and takes about 2-3 years to make and costs ca $5 million.
Today's development for, say, the 360, can have teams up to 100 people and cost around $15 million to make.

Although I cannot guarantee they all use C++, I think it's highly likely.
(Metroid: Other M for Wii is confirmed to have about 100 people in the staff, actually.)

Originally Posted by Elysia

As a general comparison, I think I can offer you a little insight.
On a game such as Zelda, for Gamecube, say, the team is maybe 30-50 people total (coders, art creators, directors, etc, etc), and takes about 2-3 years to make and costs ca $5 million.
Today's development for, say, the 360, can have teams up to 100 people and cost around $15 million to make.

Hmm. $5,000,000 / 50 people / 3 years is about $33k per year. Assuming overhead, that means each person on the project makes, on average, less than $33k per year.

Doesn't sound like the most lucrative line of work... At least not for the programmers/artists.

Microsoft is moving to have Xbox 360 games coded with .NET, as they'll soon use Managed DirectX.

Incorrect. Microsoft engineers stated on the floor of the GDC that XNA was never meant to be used to produce professional quality games that would be sold in stores. Think about it for one minute. The current crop of games tax the system like never before and they are all using C and C++ which is very fast. If C/C++ work only when used very efficiently in the current crop of games how in the world do you expect any other language to come close to the performance needed?

Originally Posted by brewbuck

Hmm. $5,000,000 / 50 people / 3 years is about $33k per year. Assuming overhead, that means each person on the project makes, on average, less than $33k per year.

Doesn't sound like the most lucrative line of work... At least not for the programmers/artists.

This is just an estimate. Plus some people may earn more and some less.
But those are the average figures I know, take or give a little.
I don't know how much a programmer makes, but this estimate gives about $2700 / month given that everyone is paid the same.

The killzone 2 title for the PS3 was rumored to be 60 million in development costs. They also spent 4 years creating a lot of their own physics/AI engines, though.