Well that chat stuff isnt too difficult... well a little but I'm picking it up pretty fast thanx to whoever it was that gave me that link it really helped. Anyways I have a new question its not part of my school I just enjoy coding in C++ and I want to know if anyone knows of any good books on Microsoft Visual C++. I just really dont wanna go out there and spend 60-100 bucks on a book that sucks (I'm canadian so everything is super expensive!). Anyways the book name and author is all I really need but a quick run down of the book would be very appreciated!