teaching c/c++ in school

I guess K&R is stupid then.

K&R is outdated. Teaching it is stupid.

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Originally Posted by l2u

Without even including the libraries for printf on top..

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You include headers, not libraries. The header was not included, but this doesn't mean that printf() can't be called.

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The program didnt want to compile on linux (gcc compiler) and I knew why - thats why I told the teacher what the problem is..

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The biggest problem is the failure to #include <stdio.h>. The missing return type of main() is okay -- it defaults to int. The missing return statement is bad but not as bad as failing to include a header.

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He came to me and started telling me that by default c includes some libraries - blablah - it was obvious he had no idea what he was talking about..

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By default, C does link against the standard library. Which means you can call standard functions even without including the headers (sort of). It's bad practice, but it works (mostly). So his statement, strictly, is correct.

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It amazed me how some people can teach programming language without knowing s___t about it?

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The good C programmers are employed as developers, they don't work at schools. You will never meet a competent C developer outside of an active workplace. On the other hand, the instructor might be well-versed in general software development concepts. I wouldn't discount him as a complete fool just yet.

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Originally Posted by CornedBee

K&R is outdated. Teaching it is stupid.

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Every once in a while I bang into a system that only has an old K&R compiler on it. Knowing the quirks of old K&R can be helpful, but yeah, I don't see a need to teach it in school.

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int printf(const char *, ...);
int main(void) {
  printf("hello world\n");
  return 0;
}

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:p

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Originally Posted by brewbuck

The good C programmers are employed as developers, they don't work at schools. You will never meet a competent C developer outside of an active workplace.

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Oh I'm bleeding over here.

(OTOH, it's probably more true than I want to admit.)

Anyway, thread seems to be mostly about C. Moving. Should potentially even be in GD or Tech.

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Originally Posted by brewbuck

You will never meet a competent C developer outside of an active workplace.

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Or sometimes even in a workplace. :D

Rather stupid, when they taught us java in uni they showed us a "hello world" program and said don't worry about the rest, "you just have to write it" -- of course we'd later find out what it did, pretty cool way of teaching it, I suppose in a lecture of 300+ that's the only way...