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I guess my view was a bit too purist.
For some reason, I've felt like just choosing one language sticking with it was the way to go - but then again, I've never really done any large scale projects where C++ would be better than C or the other way around.
I reckon 50/50 right/left is better than 100/0 right/left.
Thanks for all your answers - I'll keep them in mind when in doubt.
I don't do a lot of GUI programming in C, though if I did I'd likely use Gtk+, a cross-platform widget toolkit for C. I would almost certainly not use the Win32 API, just because I value portablility a lot, as a Linux user.Quote:
- If you program in C, do you do a lot of GUI programming for the windows platform, and if you do, do you do it all manually or use some resource editor I've missed out on?
Yes, I've thought of that, considering I'm dual-booting with a Linux distro.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwks
However, I doubt, as a professional programmer developing for the windows platform, you'd be using gtk a lot.
Then there's also the drag of having to download the gtk pack or having to distribute it with the application, were you actually developing a program of that scale.
That's pretty much a drag with any GUI development framework, though. All need runtimes. Although, heck, even using pure C or C++ requires runtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceDane
Well, yes, however, if I'm just using the API, that won't be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elysia
I just found out that there's many more possibilities for GUI programming out there.. E.g. .NET Framework, the MFC and then the API. All this mumbo jumbo on what to use just serves to confuse me, especially when I've barely used C++'s OOP aspects, and most of the MFC and the .NET framework uses just that.
Anyway, it seems that Visual Studio Express does not support resource editing, which was the reason I got it. I'll just have to find another resource editor.
C++ is to C as new clothes are to an Emperor.
Well, there you have it. Why write an application that you can't use all of the time?Quote:
Yes, I've thought of that, considering I'm dual-booting with a Linux distro.
Why not? The only reasons to use a platform-specific API like the Win32 one might go something like this:Quote:
However, I doubt, as a professional programmer developing for the windows platform, you'd be using gtk a lot.
- Speed. Native libraries are usually faster than portable ones. To this I say, try Vista. There, the speed of a portable GUI library is not very significant, IMO.
- Omnipotence. People write Windows-only programs because they think that 95% or 98% of their users will be using Windows -- and perhaps they are right, but that still leaves a disgruntled 2% or 5%.
- Convenience. Like you said, most Win32 API programs won't require any other libraries on other systems. Personally, I don't think this matters too much -- it's just another library that you need. Besides, once you install it once, you're done. The next GTK+ program you install won't need to install the runtime.
- Familiarity. People use the Win32 API because that's what they're familiar with. This mostly stems from omnipotence. But this is really just stubbornness -- if there's a better, more portable way to do things, why not give it a try?
Many programs seem to have no qualms about requiring the .NET runtime, and I'm sure that's a lot larger than the GTK+ runtime. (Just guessing, I don't know for certain.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elysia
Is that an implied insult to C++?Quote:
Originally Posted by esbo
I think I remember something about the Express version not supporting resource editing, yes. You would need a paid version. Oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceDane
And I doubt you will "just" use Win32 API. I'll bet you will use C or C++ functions for something. And then you need the runtime.
But C/C++/MFC runtime is not big, especially considering the dot net runtime which is 20 MB+, and that's a lot of those 56k-ers.
It's an analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwks
So you're saying that C++ is an unnecessary addition to C? You're getting close to starting a war there. :)
I have a 28.8KB connection most of the time . . . .Quote:
But C/C++/MFC runtime is not big, especially considering the dot net runtime which is 20 MB+, and that's a lot of those 56k-ers.
It's an opinion from someone who can't even write proper C. And someone who do not listen to what others say and one who continues to use bad practices and someone who continues to dismiss good practices.Quote:
Originally Posted by esbo
Does that make you a trustable source? I don't think so.
Plus it has no relevance to the thread here because there is a market for C++ whether you like it or not.
And that's even more horrible. The thought of downloading 20 MB on 28.8KB... horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwks
Yes, indeed -- that was my point. :) I know how it feels . . . .
As for resource editors:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...e+Search&meta=
http://www.thefreecountry.com/progra...eeditors.shtml
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Program.../ResEdit.shtml
Note: I've never tried any of the above, I just used Google.
Oh cool! Let me try one...Quote:
Originally Posted by esbo
esbo is to this site as mold is to bread. :D
[QUOTE=Elysia;711699]It's an opinion from someone who can't even write proper C. And someone who do not listen to what others say and one who continues to use bad practices and someone who continues to dismiss good practices.
Does that make you a trustable source? I don't think so.
Plus it has no relevance to the thread here because there is a market for C++ whether you like it or not.
/QUOTE]
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, provided of course, you have not broken any appropiate laws in expressing it.