I don't personally have much against the language itself, I don't don't like it commingling with a C and C++ board. Basically, it's like... I don't eat fish... I don't have anything against it directly, but I certainly don't want it anywhere near my beef. You catch my drift?Originally Posted by sangken
Sent from my iPadŽ
>why isnt it wise to say that?
Because C programmers will be insulted. C++ isn't a "better C". Also, C++ programmers will be insulted. C++ isn't "just" C with classes. It's much better to recognize both languages as independent and distinct, which they are. So much confusion (and so many bugs) has arisen because someone thought C and C++ were basically the same.
>Or are the authors of the books wrong?
Yes, they are.
>C# also has the powers of C and C++ combined? plus plus the .NET support?
Hardly. Without .NET, C# is weak. Without .NET, both C and C++ are still incredibly strong.
>i think it's great that people try to improve on things, wouldnt you?
Well, my idea of improvement doesn't always agree.Personally, I like C#. It's a very pleasant language for working with .NET, and .NET is a very pleasant framework for development. But I wouldn't want to write a compiler with C#, and I wouldn't be caught dead trying to hack a kernel with it.
>and besides, it's not like the use of C# is limited right?
Yes, it is. C# is basically locked into modern Windows systems until Mono is more mature.
>So basically, im just asking what is it that ticks you guys off against C#?
Nothing. I use it on a daily basis and enjoy myself thoroughly. I just don't think that C# has a place on cprogramming.com.
>i've also noticed that in Java.
Java is different altogether. I despise Java.
>For me, more langauages == more choices.
Don't confuse honest hatred with blind ignorance. As an example, I loathe Java, but I'm a Sun certified Java programmer and could probably code circles around most Java "experts". By all means, learn as many languages as possible. It makes you more marketable. Also keep in mind that a strong opinion should only come from thorough understanding.
My best code is written with the delete key.
i dont know how to drift (racing)
but seriously, yeah, i get your drift. so it's a problem of "autonomy" for you eh? but what about the others? darn im still having problems with my stupid RPN calculator. i wish somebody would give me the whole darn program code so i'll be done with it
nah, just kiddin.
It is not who I am inside but what I do that defines me.
>i wish somebody would give me the whole darn program code so i'll be done with it
Yes, but what fun would that be? Whenever you get frustrated with a problem, think about how much more you're learning by making mistakes.
My best code is written with the delete key.
Ahhh.. ok, now my eyes are really opened. thanks Prelude. it would seem that programming isnt the only thing one can learn from these forums.and im sorry for rushing out into battle, guns blazing, without a thorough understanding of things.
It is not who I am inside but what I do that defines me.
Life lessons by Prelude: weekday evenings and weekends. Low introductory fee!
My best code is written with the delete key.
In college, I wrote simple GUI application in C# using visual Studio .Net (2002). It was very convinient working with it and making GUI by just simply placing controls on wndows form. I wondered then, what real strength of C# is without .NET. Does C# has any real advantage without using with some powerful framework such as .NET?
Gotta love the "please fix this for me, but I'm not going to tell you which functions we're allowed to use" posts.
It's like teaching people to walk by first breaking their legs - muppet teachers! - Salem
>Does C# has any real advantage without using with some powerful framework such as .NET?
The libraries make or break a language. C#'s library is .NET, which is very powerful and as a result, C# is powerful as well. Your question is akin to asking if C++ has any real advantage without the standard libraries.
My best code is written with the delete key.
True, but in C# (.NET) is much easier and faster to make program with GUI than in C++ with all standard libraries...
Gotta love the "please fix this for me, but I'm not going to tell you which functions we're allowed to use" posts.
It's like teaching people to walk by first breaking their legs - muppet teachers! - Salem
Well, how can i make a C program to use an icon of my choice?
>True, but in C# (.NET) is much easier and faster to make program with GUI than in C++ with all standard libraries...
I fail to see your point. Apparently you're just complaining that C++ doesn't have native support for GUIs, because your statement is nonsensical when viewed as a response to mine.
>Well, how can i make a C program to use an icon of my choice?
You're probably looking for LoadIcon.
My best code is written with the delete key.
It seems that the link is invalid.
it is valid
It is not who I am inside but what I do that defines me.
>It seems that the link is invalid.
Then google "msdn loadicon".
>does it belong to the windows.h header?
That page tells you what libraries to link with and what headers to include. Please read it thoroughly before asking further questions.
My best code is written with the delete key.
Thank you Prelude.
