Thread: Some inquiries about C..

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    Some inquiries about C..

    Hi all,

    My knowledge in java is more than C, and during the time I learn C, I found some issues that are very simple in java and if I wanted to do it in C I might spend time more that what I expect. One of the things is dealing with array in C, I need to specify the length of the array as a parameter, or initialize the array, or using vector...etc.

    What is the purpose of not having arr.length() in C?

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    Arrays aren't "objects" like they are in Java. Thus, they do not have functions attached to them like Java objects do.

    However, for arrays declared in the current scope, you can use sizeof to find out its size. A simple bit of math from there will give you the number of elements.

    Plus, when they wrote C, they figured if you're not smart enough to keep track of how long your array is, then your program deserves to crash.

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    > What is the purpose of not having arr.length() in C?
    Use a vector, and use C++ if you want such creature comforts.

    As well as being 30 years older than Java, C is also much lower level.
    Which means you have to do pretty much everything yourself.

    C was first developed on a machine with a total of 32K of memory. When was the last time you wrote a program smaller than this, never mind having an OS, Compiler and editor there at the same time?
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    C is very close to the system. You can directly interface memory, and do lots of system stuff. C is also minimalist, so you get very few built-in functions. Arrays are treated not as objects, but as a string of continuous bytes in RAM. That's as basic as you can get. If you want to use the array length, you do it yourself. The compiler isn't going to put in what it THINKS you need; it will only but in the bare minimals. This is, in fact, one of Cs advantages over other languages.

    Treating everything as objects introduces a lot of overhead into the code, as well as runtime. C is built from the ground up to be efficient. That's how it is, kid, deal with it.
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    t];++t);if(t==81){J(v[1]);return 0;}}puts("sudoku [0-9]{81}");return 1;}

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    If your going from Java, it's easier to learn C++, because it's object oriented. C++ vectors have a size method.

    The only potencial advantages C has over C++ is 1: no runtime type identification, and 2: no exeption handling. However many C++ compilers allow you to exclude those features anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moony
    What is the purpose of not having arr.length() in C?
    Funny you would mention that, because the other day I was working on a Graphics engine in java and I was trying to increase performance by getting rid of the unused images files so as to lighten the buffer before rendering, and I found myself exclaiming :

    Darn, what is the purpose of Java not having a static void free(Object o) method ?
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