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    difference between ++ and +=1

    Hi all,
    Can any one tell the difference between the following.

    a++
    a+=1

    Both will do the same operation.I want to know that any one of these have a advantage than the other.

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    While ++a and a++ mean the same thing when they form statements independently, they behave differently when they are used in expressions on the RHS of an assignment statement.
    For eg.
    a=5;
    y=++a;
    In this case the value of y would be 6. But in this case
    a=5;
    y=a++;
    here y would be 5 but a would be 6
    On the other hand a+=1 is shorthand form of a=a+1.
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    Thank you BEN10.But already I know what you explained.I want to know whether both of these statement have some difference in the case of speed or not.

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    They are two different kinds of operators. ++ is a unary operator (whether x++ or ++x). += is an assignment operator. I doubt there is much difference in speed but I don't know. The potential use value is slightly different:
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    I'd say that it depends on compiler optimisations.

    I'm guessing that ++x would be translated by most compilers into the assembly 'INC' (increment) instruction mnemonic, which may or may not be faster than 'ADD'.

    If a compiler optimises any code with a 'x + 1' to the increment instruction then there would be no difference.

    Same goes for decrementing.

    Note that this is just speculation. I don't know if any of this is what actually happens.

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    Assignment operators evaluate the l-value only once, which is an important thing to watch out for if it contains any side effects.

    Eg.
    array[i++] += 1;
    will do the right thing.

    Either of these attempts leads to all sorts of trouble.
    array[i++] = array[i] + 1;
    array[i++] = array[i++] + 1;


    Doing it correctly the long way is hard work.
    array[i] = array[i] + 1;
    i = i + 1;


    There would certainly be a big performance difference if you had
    array[someFuncReturningIndex()] += 1;
    because the function would only be called once.
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    @Salem: good use of fonts
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    Just an FYI,
    I read about the origin of "C", and how the compiler favored the reigning hardware platform of that time - PDP family of minis. So the post-increments and similar had a reason for being part of the language. There were native machine instructions of that ilk: access-then-increment. I haven't encountered any micro processors which had similar instructions but then again, the desired effect can be achieved with two instructions at most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonoob View Post
    Just an FYI,
    I read about the origin of "C", and how the compiler favored the reigning hardware platform of that time - PDP family of minis. So the post-increments and similar had a reason for being part of the language. There were native machine instructions of that ilk: access-then-increment. I haven't encountered any micro processors which had similar instructions but then again, the desired effect can be achieved with two instructions at most.
    Both VAX (32-bit version of PDP-11 really) and 68000 have post-increment and pre-decrement versions of it's instruction set. I'm fairly sure that ARM's instructions also matches the C language fairly well with it's STR/LDR instructions when setting the P and W bits to one of the instruction.

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    Thank you! I stand corrected. I forgot about Motorolas. Never could wrap my head around 6800, 68000 addressing, registers, but probably the assembly syntax turned me off most of all. I'm a Zilog/Intel guy myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadPlanet View Post
    I'd say that it depends on compiler optimisations.

    I'm guessing that ++x would be translated by most compilers into the assembly 'INC' (increment) instruction mnemonic, which may or may not be faster than 'ADD'.

    If a compiler optimises any code with a 'x + 1' to the increment instruction then there would be no difference.

    Same goes for decrementing.

    Note that this is just speculation. I don't know if any of this is what actually happens.
    x++ doesn't mean that the increment value is 1, it can be anything, so the use of something like "INC" is a very special case.

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    x++ doesn't mean that the increment value is 1, it can be anything
    It doesn't? How do you set it to increment by something else?

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    >> x++ doesn't mean that the increment value is 1, it can be anything, so the use of something like "INC" is a very special case.

    Well, the only other case is in pointer arithmetic, where the increment means "advance sizeof(type) bytes from this offset". Besides that, though, I can't think of any other possible forms.
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    Back to the original question... even in the case of pointer arithmetic a++ and a+=1 would still be equivalent. If a compiler generates markedly different machine code which varies in execution times, then shame on it!

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    Yes Sebastiani, I was referring to pointer arithmetic which I think it is important to mention, since the ++ operator comes from the PDP 11 autoincrement mode : (Rn)+ (see Department of Computer Science - PDP-11 - Don S. Bidulock).

    Often the question asked is "which is faster, x++ or x += 1 ?". In that case it's important to remember that "1" can be any other value (since an incrementer != adder).

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