# Calculus Derivatives, OMG!!!

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• 10-23-2003
Xei
Calculus Derivatives, OMG!!!
That's it! I'm so damn frusterated I... I.. AHHH!!

So, it's 2:07am and I work in afew hours. I just finished my derivatives exam through online school and I got 100%. But that's not the point, the point is that there are still some questions that are ........ing me off. For instance:

The book says:

"Find the second derivative of: ((x^2)+1)^(1/2)"

Okay, "Simple", I think. I found the first derivative to be:

x((x^2)+1)^(-1/2)

The book agrees with that answer, except for the second derivative. The book believes that the second derivative is ((x^2)+1)^(-3/2) which makes no sense at all. How is this possible? I tried using the Product Rule w/ Chain Rule which would normally go like this:

X = V
((x^2)+1)^(-1/2) = U

V ' = Derivative of V
U ' = Derivative of U

So now, my derivative should be:

(V ')(U) + (U ')(V) = 0

Which is quite long for me to type out, but anyways, I end up with an answer which should include X^2, but it doesn't. I'm frusterated, this makes no sense. Please help.
• 10-23-2003
Clyde
Hmmm i'm also not getting the book's answer, maybe its wrong?
• 10-23-2003
axon
The book is correct my friend...I'm really short of time right now, so I will post the proper way to derive f''(x) when I get back in front of the computer.

But I have done the problem and the book is indeed right.
• 10-23-2003
axon
Well, I did find some time to type it out, here it is:
Code:

```we agree that         f'(x) = x / (x^2+1)^(1/2) Now, to compute f''(x) you can bring the denominator up or leave it there. If you leave it, the derivation will be a bit harder, but simplification much easier.         f''(x) =[ (x^2+1)^(1/2) - x(x^2+1)^(-1/2) ] / (x^2 + 1)         //to simplify brek into two fractions               =[(x^2+1)^(1/2) / (x^2+1) ] - [ x / {(x^2+1)^(1/2)(x^2+1)}         //from now on its just algebra, take common denoms                 = (x^2 + 1 - x^2) /  [(x^2+1)^(1/2)(x^2+1)]         //x^2 in the numerator cancel out and the denom simplifies to...               = 1 / (x^2+1)^(3/2)```
often times the hard part of calculus is the agebra...as weird as it sounds. I know that my professors on exams accepted not simplified solutions. If you have a TI calculator, you could put in your solution and equate it with the book's, and see if you get a 'true'. That way you'll know if you have the same answer just unsimplified.

axon

EDIT:: write what i 'coded' on paper; it will make more sense
• 10-23-2003
Clyde
Ah i see, i got it to be -x^2(x^2+1)^-3/2 + (x^2 + 1)^-1/2 which is unsimplified like you said.

Normally when i have to use calculus it's to calculate numerical answers so i don't have to simplify stuff. I better practise my algebra evidently its getting rather rusty :o
• 10-23-2003
whistlenm1
f(x) = (x^2 + 1)^(1/2)

f'(x) = x(x^2 + 1)^(-1/2)

f''(x) = [(x^2 + 1)^(1/2) - x^2(X^2 + 1)^(-1/2)]/[((x^2 + 1)^(1/2))^2]

= (x^2 + 1)^(-1/2) * [((x^2 + 1) - X^2)/(x^2 + 1)

= (x^2 + 1)^(-1/2) * [1/(x^2 + 1)]

or

= 1/(x^2 +1)^(1/2) *1/(X^2 + 1)^(1)

= 1/(x^2 + 1)^(3/2) or (x^2 + 1)^(-3/2)

I believe :p
• 10-23-2003
UnregdRegd
Math is tricky and requires an attentive eye. I was wondering why I had come up with a different solution until I noticed I had missed a second x:
Code:

```f''(x) = [(x^2 +1)^(-1/2)] -(1/2)x[(x^2 +1)^(-3/2)](2x) f''(x) != 1/[(x^2 +1)^(1/2)] -x/[(x^2 +1)(x^2 +1)^(1/2)] f''(x) != (x^2 -x +1)/[(x^2 +1)(x^2 +1)^(1/2)] f''(x) = 1/[(x^2 +1)(x^2 +1)^(1/2)]```
• 10-23-2003
Leeman_s
What year in school did all of you take calculus? I'm taking it now...
• 10-23-2003
axon
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Originally posted by Leeman_s
What year in school did all of you take calculus? I'm taking it now...
I took it first semester university.
• 10-23-2003
golfinguy4
Quote:

Originally posted by Leeman_s
What year in school did all of you take calculus? I'm taking it now...
Junior
• 10-23-2003
confuted
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Originally posted by Leeman_s
What year in school did all of you take calculus? I'm taking it now...
I took it junior year, and I'm taking it again senior year (AP Calc BC now... before it was just the first 7 chapters of the calc book)
• 10-24-2003
whistlenm1
a little over a year, and I have been tutoring eversince off and on again. The nightmares are gone but now I'm left with calc dreams!
• 10-24-2003
Leeman_s
Wow, at my HS only four people are taking calc right now that are juniors. We must have on average stupid people here where I live
• 10-24-2003
Speedy5
I'm taking Honors Advanced Precalc (as opposed to just normal or honors regular) as a Junior. I dunno if that counts :).
• 10-24-2003
axon
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Originally posted by Speedy5
I'm taking Honors Advanced Precalc (as opposed to just normal or honors regular) as a Junior. I dunno if that counts :).
sorry, it doesn't...:) thats a course similar to what I took as highest in high school...now that I look back on it, it was nothing more than a waste of my time...
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