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VirtualAce
01-19-2008, 09:15 AM
It feels sooooooo good to be back in XP. OEM XP as it comes out of the box is far better than Vista with all the updates. No joke. Vista was sooooooooo slow, annoying (even with UAC turned off), and every one of my games ran at least 10% to 15% slower even with 2GB of RAM.

I tried and tried to get Vista to play nice by shutting off all the new 'features' advertised by Microsoft. Truth is they are not features at all but they are resource hogs. It took 1 hour and 40 min to unzip a 10mb file using Windows native unzip and using the actual Winzip program. Disk indexing was the cause and it is slower than crap. Who cares if you can use the super uber Microsoft search (like anyone uses it)? I don't want something I use maybe 1% of the time to slow my computer down 99% of the time I'm not using it.

I've been buying OS's from MS since DOS 2.10 way back in 1980 and Vista is by far the worst OS they have produced. I have no idea how they shipped it or got it through QA. Do not get me wrong Aero is done very nicely and the GUI is top notch. But underneath all that pretty eye candy is a very unstable, untested, unorganized, unsupported (even a year after release most the drivers for it suck), disaster of an operating system.

I cannot use Vista now since I have 3gb of RAM and I'm still on an AGP rig. the NVidia nv_agp.sys driver does not support more than 2gb of RAM and will blue screen the second it loads. No fixes and NVidia is not making any more drivers for my rig. So I either upgrade or use XP.

In short, Vista is a nightmare and I cannot recommend it to anyone. Too bad Best Buy won't refund my 240 bucks for the thing.

Two thumbs down.

DavidP
01-19-2008, 09:51 AM
Welcome back to XP, brother.

I think I found a typo in your post:



So I either upgrade or use XP.


Did you mean: "So I must upgrade to XP"?

zx-1
01-19-2008, 09:59 AM
The straight answer is no, he means upgrade his hardware to PCIe or something.

mike_g
01-19-2008, 10:21 AM
It took 1 hour and 40 min to unzip a 10mb file using Windows native unzip and using the actual Winzip program. Disk indexing was the cause and it is slower than crap.
Lol, so thats why its unbearably slow.

I agree Vista is a puddle of poo. I broke my linux laptop yesterday; wont pass POST :( Now I guess I'm going to have to format this computer for XP / Ubuntu dual boot. Its a pain, but Vista is so awful. My list of complaints is very long from the way they rearranged all the network settings to the abysmal way they implemented user privileges.

I don't know If i should bother requesting a Vista CD off Microsoft, as they only gave me a space-wasting recovery partition. The only redeeming feature Vista seems to have is the fancy windows which could have been done to XP anyway if they had added the possibility to run the desktop in 32bit colour.

DavidP
01-19-2008, 11:37 AM
The straight answer is no, he means upgrade his hardware to PCIe or something.


Wow....you do know that was a joke, right?

Sang-drax
01-19-2008, 11:53 AM
Disk indexing was the cause and it is slower than crap. Who cares if you can use the super uber Microsoft search (like anyone uses it)? In all fairness: disk indexing runs once and when it's done it's done. If you ask me, the new search functionality is something Microsoft should've implemented a looong time ago. If you really need to use the disk immediately, just stop the indexing service for a while. Also, I haven't really noticed the disk indexing affecting processes in the forground.

Dino
01-19-2008, 11:53 AM
XP was (is) painfully slow also with the indexing facility turned on. But I agree - Vista sucks.

whiteflags
01-19-2008, 12:50 PM
XP had an indexing service?

Elysia
01-19-2008, 02:01 PM
Yeah, XP has an indexing service. Though I'm not sure how to use it and it's not very useful I think.
Vista has a lot of nice features, but the drivers hell and the slowness of the OS is something that just makes it not worth the money.
The good thing is that SP1 fixes a lot of these bottlenecks, so maybe we can use the OS in the future when we have to use it or be sued by Microsoft.

But hey, I upgraded to XP from Vista a long time ago ;)

Bajanine
01-20-2008, 01:14 AM
I am currently running Vista x64 and it is smokin' fast! Xp x86 is really kinda slow. :( But then again it took like 4 installs of Vista to get the drivers that agreed my new PC.

Dark_Phoenix
01-20-2008, 06:38 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't XP plagued with problems when it first came out as well? Don't get me wrong, I agree that Microsoft should do more extensive beta testing on there OS's before they release them. I'm not about to try it until they get the first service pack out.

Elysia
01-20-2008, 09:27 AM
Don't know...
All I know is that Vista is far from ready for release. In the future, though, who knows? Maybe it will become a worthy successor of XP, or maybe Windows 7 will be the successor with all the features Vista was supposed to have...

VirtualAce
01-20-2008, 10:39 AM
I think Vista is so broken that it may just be the new ME. I could be wrong but I'm waiting for quite some time before re-installing it.

It truly is awful in its current state. To be fair it's just as much the driver manuf. fault than it is Microsoft. The drivers for it are just hideous. Sorry I'm not going to run an OS just b/c it's pretty and yet suffer 10% to 20% performance loss across all applications.

Bajanine
01-20-2008, 07:11 PM
I think that most of Vista's problems are because of bad drivers at least this is where I had all my problems except of course trying to get used to the new gui. I wish I had a 64 bit XP to compare it with. ;)
Bubba, just turn all the pretty stuff off if it's to slow.
Can anything be as bad as ME?

zacs7
01-20-2008, 07:37 PM
It's a shame as well, because I'm sure a lot of people want DX10 -- but can't have it because Vista sucks...

BobMcGee123
01-20-2008, 09:13 PM
i dont like computers

indigo0086
01-21-2008, 06:39 PM
Anyone know when Service Pack 3 is going to come out.

VirtualAce
01-21-2008, 07:11 PM
I don't know about SP3 but I do know Vista SP1 is available for download for developers as a beta on MSDN. But unless SP1 is a major overhaul of Vista's core systems I doubt it will do much. The problems in Vista go far beyond just bugs and get into serious design flaws that are not easily fixed or patched. Many fundamental designs in Vista are flawed beyond belief.

indigo0086
01-22-2008, 07:30 AM
I only ask because I hear there will be a significant speed increase coming with service pack 3.

robwhit
01-22-2008, 11:09 AM
Really? I heard that SP3 was going to bring Vista features to XP, and since Vista was slow, wouldn't the transitive property say that SP3 would make XP slow?

Elysia
01-22-2008, 11:11 AM
Speed increase for XP? I wouldn't think so.
SP3 will bring a few Vista-only features to XP, but in no way a lot. And I don't think they'll be that slow. Microsoft would get a lot of criticism if they did.

indigo0086
01-22-2008, 11:12 AM
vista features like what? Aero, refined explorer?

Elysia
01-22-2008, 11:16 AM
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=68c48dad-bc34-40be-8d85-6bb4f56f5110&displaylang=en#filelist
No big, fancy stuff. Just some background things.

whiteflags
01-22-2008, 11:38 AM
No, SP3 is a rollup of all the hotfixes since SP2 for the lazy people who don't run Microsoft Update. I would be surprised if there were some Vista features in there, but I doubt it, because historically that's not how the final service pack has ever been for their OSes. Why would Microsoft want to spoil the XP crowd with Aero? It just gives them another reason to rebel.

Elysia
01-22-2008, 11:40 AM
Haha, yes. No Aero. But there was/is at least one Vista feature coming to XP in SP3.
And it's not for the lazy people who don't run update. It's great for sys admins, as well, and people who like to slipstream and don't trust windows update because it borks your OS.
And I hate Microsoft for probably doing away service packs in the future.

robwhit
01-22-2008, 12:27 PM
After researching it some more, I found out that it wasn't really "Vista features" persay, more like backend stuff. But SP3 and SP1 are being developed together, so there must be a reason for that, right? But I guess my previous argument about it being slower doesn't hold much weight.

For anyone who is interested:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=68c48dad-bc34-40be-8d85-6bb4f56f5110&displaylang=en

Elysia
01-22-2008, 01:17 PM
Yeah, it's the very same link I posted, which contains a download for SP3 functionality from Microsoft.

robwhit
01-22-2008, 01:26 PM
Oh, right, so it is. I didn't see that.

Elysia
01-22-2008, 01:30 PM
We all make mistakes though :)