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dwks
12-19-2007, 04:32 PM
While suggesting stuff to Elysia to include in this FAQ-like post (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?t=97086), I thought about Wiki FAQs. That way I could edit it myself instead of just suggesting stuff to Elysia.

Yes, this is a contested topic.
http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?t=87823
http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?t=68723
http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showpost.php?p=627952&postcount=59
http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showpost.php?p=633499&postcount=14
It's like syntax highlighting.

I guess there are three reasons for this thread:

To ask whether there are any serious objections to a Wiki FAQ, especially one that leaves the current FAQ intact.
To determine whether the moderators would be willing to install a Wiki for use as an FAQ.
Failing all else, to see how many people would be willing to support a user-initiated Wiki FAQ.

Notice I said "failing all else". Please, nobody start a Wiki FAQ without discussing it first -- or we'll have a flood of them. dwks' CBoard Wiki FAQ! Salem's CBoard Wiki FAQ! Elysia's CBoard Wiki FAQ! twomers'! CornedBee's! Moderators' FAQ Inc.! Associated Alliance of Users Beginning with A! (I can see CBoard disintegrating into a squabbling mass of users over this . . . .)

Anyway: failing all else, why don't we start up a Wiki FAQ? It's not difficult -- there are tons of free Wiki hosts out there. It doesn't even have to be officially affiliated with CBoard -- just some members linking to it all the time and putting it in their signatures would get it started. We could try it, and if it bombs, so what. If it becomes successful, there could be a link to it from the existing FAQ (faq.cprogramming.com), without breaking anything.

(It probably wouldn't be a good idea to get rid of the existing FAQ entirely, though. http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showpost.php?p=627952&postcount=59)

It probably wouldn't be that difficult to add a Wiki FAQ to CBoard. However, I've never tried it myself, and so I don't know how involved it would be. Perhaps there are reasons for not having one, perhaps the moderators simply disapprove of it for some reason. Perhaps they think it isn't popular enough. (I sense another poll coming . . . .)

Who knows, maybe a Wiki could even be used for something other than FAQs -- for example, for posting completed projects. Long threads with updates about the program get scattered throughout the board. Stickied threads with many different programs don't work very well for updates.

Ideally, there ought to be a thread with links to threads about programs. Or we could reserve a board for it. Isn't that what the Projects etc board is for anyway?

But I'm getting off topic. Another reason you don't want to put me in charge of a Wiki FAQ. ;)

Daved
12-19-2007, 04:56 PM
Another C++ forum I frequent created a Wiki for FAQ/Tutorial stuff. I liked that idea and I enjoyed contributing to it.

With the size of this community, I wouldn't be surprised if an official or unofficial CBoard wiki could be successfully built up into a real resource.

I prefer a wiki because most of the other options on the main cprogramming page are provided by individuals who might have differing ideas of good advice than the majority who post here, and there's very little ability to police that information.

If there was one created I would likely contribute to it as well as my time permits.

ka3
12-19-2007, 05:03 PM
I like the idea of a Wiki FAQ. T'would be useful.

My suggestion for a WiKi would be a MediaWiKi (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki) Wiki. That's what Wikipedia uses.

whiteflags
12-20-2007, 04:07 AM
Yeah it's not really a big deal anymore. If you incorporate the existing FAQ, great but I don't think you have to. So many people talk about the FAQ being dated or needing additional information -- this would be the way to make those changes. Plus if people want to update it they can. I wonder who will be members of the wiki?

zacs7
12-20-2007, 05:05 AM
What's wrong with the current FAQ? :confused:

I'm sure mods wouldn't have too much of a problem if you wrote something worth while of the current FAQ, and wasn't a waste of their time to add -- ie, stupid things like, "How to write Hello World by Elysia" :)



If you want write something to be added to the FAQ, simply create it in a standard text document, and get it to me via the forums. No need to bother with HTML etc, just plain text is fine, I'll sort out the formatting. All items will be vetted before they appear on here, and I reserve the right not to publish content I feel is unsuitable. Anything that is published, will have the originators name on it, giving them credit and thanks.


It's not like anyone reads the FAQ before posting anyway, why'd they bother to read a wiki?

That's my view on having it a part of the site, but seeing as you want it seperate -- I'm all for it. Since it's your fantabulous idea you should be the mod ;)



(I sense another poll coming . . . .)

There hasn't been a poll since that guy that everyone seems to hate stopped posting random, pointless "Should Cboard change their colour to red" sort of polls. :)
And I think any poll is likely to start arguments, like they all seem to do. Basically when you vote you'll be voting which side you want to argue for -- rather than a wiki... makes sense :confused:

Elysia
12-20-2007, 11:43 AM
I'm sure mods wouldn't have too much of a problem if you wrote something worth while of the current FAQ, and wasn't a waste of their time to add -- ie, stupid things like, "How to write Hello World by Elysia" :)
Why's everyone banging on me?! :p


It's not like anyone reads the FAQ before posting anyway, why'd they bother to read a wiki?
Then may not, but it saves us from re-typing an explanation every time someone uses void main or scanf("%s", ...) or has horrible indentation! :)
We can just link to the FAQ or wiki.

I love the idea of being able to just modify it on-the-fly! Suppose I could try to submit to the current FAQ too, in case anyone's around to update it :D

laserlight
12-20-2007, 12:15 PM
Why's everyone banging on me?!
Because you've been recommending tabs for indentation (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showpost.php?p=699801&postcount=12) although spaces won the last time we discussed Tabs or Spaces (http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?t=88282). I expect an epic battle in the wiki over which to recommend :D

Elysia
12-20-2007, 12:22 PM
Well, tabs are convenient too, you know. One tab, one delete. And you and indent more than one line at once (at least in Visual Studio and yay for that!). Try going that with spaces.
The whole mess problem ends up because tabs and spaces are mixed. Which I why I don't recommend doing that!
If you use tabs everywhere, it will get the right indentation whatever studio or ide you use, so... If it's 8 spaces or 4 spaces or whatever, it doesn't matter.
Some editors are at fault by indenting too much - you could change that or live with it. But I prefer to just delete one tab or inserting one tab when indenting instead of typing or deleting 4 spaces. That is just so darn annoying.

laserlight
12-20-2007, 12:31 PM
Well, tabs are convenient too, you know. One tab, one delete. And you and indent more than one line at once (at least in Visual Studio and yay for that!). Try going that with spaces.
Heheh, told you to expect an epic battle. Indenting multiple lines at once with spaces is as easy as with tabs in Visual Studio.


The whole mess problem ends up because tabs and spaces are mixed. Which I why I don't recommend doing that!
Yeah, at least the wiki can be consistent on that :)


But I prefer to just delete one tab or inserting one tab when indenting instead of typing or deleting 4 spaces.
You probably missed the part where Perspective says "we're talking about editors that place x number of spaces in the file when you push the tab key" and where twomers adds "How do you delete the spaces? ctrl + backspace!!". (That said, I tend to use shift + tab when I want to delete the spaces.)

Elysia
12-20-2007, 12:33 PM
You probably missed the part where Perspective says "we're talking about editors that place x number of spaces in the file when you push the tab key" and where twomers adds "How do you delete the spaces? ctrl + backspace!!".

Ctrl + backspace deletes all the spaces, so it's kind of useless for that.
Btw, still reading the thread.

laserlight
12-20-2007, 12:34 PM
Ctrl + backspace deletes all the spaces, so it's kind of useless for that.
It probably depends on your editor. As I noted in my edit, I usually use shift + tab, but it ctrl + backspace seems to work in Visual Studio.

Elysia
12-20-2007, 12:37 PM
Ctrl + backspaces remove an entire line of spaces in Visual Studio (at least for me). I only use tabs, though. Yes, even in forum posts when I type up code.

matsp
12-20-2007, 12:44 PM
And if you hit the tab-key in Emacs it will indent to the correct level wherever you are in the code, and if you have a larger portion of code to indent, you use the "M-x indent-region" to indent a whole chunk of code - as long as there's no missing braces or such, it works just fine.

--
Mats

dwks
12-20-2007, 03:13 PM
You can configure most editors to backspace up to, say, four spaces when you press backspace. That's what I do if possible.


What's wrong with the current FAQ? :confused:
Several things. First and foremost, the names are absolutely stupid. If I want to link someone to the void main FAQ, I have to go to faq.cprogramming.com, search the page for "void", and copy the link. Wiki links are much better named. somewikisite.com/cboard/Void_Main. (I know you could bookmark them, but I'm frequently on computers that are not my own, different computers each time, and that would just be a waste of time.)

It's also lacking a few things that I type up every once in a while, like an explanation of p=realloc(p,...), sizeof without parentheses, passed arrays to functions degrading (sorry, Prelude) into pointers, Turbo C, timing with portable and platform-specific functions, how to figure out whether a function is ANSI standard or not, what to do on Linux when you get an error from leaving out -lm, etc, etc, etc. But, as you say:

I'm sure mods wouldn't have too much of a problem if you wrote something worth while of the current FAQ, and wasn't a waste of their time to add -- ie, stupid things like, "How to write Hello World by Elysia" :)


It's not like anyone reads the FAQ before posting anyway, why'd they bother to read a wiki?
I know no one reads it. They do read it (some of the time), however, when we link to it. And how do we remember links like this? http://faq.cprogramming.com/cgi-bin/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1044841143&id=1043284376


That's my view on having it a part of the site, but seeing as you want it seperate -- I'm all for it. Since it's your fantabulous idea you should be the mod ;)
Right, I'm not the first person to suggest it. (Syntax highlighting, on the other hand . . . .)

Actually, I probably wouldn't be a good candidate for a mod. I'm not online frequently -- just a few hours straight every once in a while -- which is good for posting but not very good for moderating.

I'm just the head advocate! Right now at least.

zacs7
12-20-2007, 05:35 PM
If you put it like that then it's very appealing.

You could always start a 'non-official' wiki, if it worked and if the mods liked it then it could become 'official'?

Daved
12-20-2007, 06:17 PM
An "official" wiki is probably up to the webmaster, and he generally only has time to upgrade the site in (somewhat rare) spurts. So if you're lucky and catch him when he's not busy then you might be able to convince him to set it up.

Otherwise, you'll have to get somebody to start an unofficial one.

dwks
12-20-2007, 06:31 PM
If you put it like that then it's very appealing.
As opposed to putting it like what? :)


You could always start a 'non-official' wiki, if it worked and if the mods liked it then it could become 'official'?
That was my thinking.


An "official" wiki is probably up to the webmaster, and he generally only has time to upgrade the site in (somewhat rare) spurts. So if you're lucky and catch him when he's not busy then you might be able to convince him to set it up.

Otherwise, you'll have to get somebody to start an unofficial one.
Yes, I know. I'm not counting on getting an official one. If there was any chance of this it probably would already have happened.

zacs7
12-20-2007, 08:00 PM
Well go for it :)

I'd use it, even edit it if you want... got a fair bit of time at the moment.

EDIT: If you're looking for hosting, see if sourceforge.net would host it (they do host websites, but only if they're really programing related). After all the wiki would really be opensource ;) -- I can try to register it for sf.net (then the other wikiers can 'join' the project)

Elysia
12-21-2007, 03:30 AM
Go for it!
Looking forward to a user-wiki!

zacs7
12-21-2007, 03:57 AM
k, I've done it. It's pending (awaiting approval). I'm not sure it classifies -- I've read the terms and conditions, but I'm no lawyer.

This is what I wrote:


cboard provides the community with information about the C++, C and C# programming languages, with examples, FAQs, common pitfalls and both current, future and proposed language developments. It aims to provide new, and experienced opensource software programmers a solution into developing higher quality, more "cross-programmer friendly" programs, libraries and code.


Corny yes, but I had to make it sound like it is actually something and will benift everyone.

MacGyver
12-21-2007, 04:30 AM
Sounds interesting, and something I would consider myself more than willing to assist.

I could contribute with undefined C code written for DOS. :D

zacs7
12-21-2007, 05:03 AM
> I could contribute with undefined C code written for DOS
Haha, in other words -- what you normally write :)

Btw the project name is cboard and the UNIX name is cboardwiki.
So it'll be http://cboardwiki.sf.net/void_main for example (pretty easy to remember).

CornedBee
12-21-2007, 07:14 AM
I get a 404.

Elysia
12-21-2007, 07:16 AM
It's not up yet, is it? Pending, I think?

jverkoey
12-21-2007, 08:54 AM
Seems I got to this post a bit late, but I've been working on this exact thing (though with a broader approach to it) for a little while now.

Open Tutorials (http://99.236.151.246/~jeffverkoeyen/OpenTutorials/Main_Page)

It's currently hosted on my home server, and I wasn't planning on pushing it online until it had some solid tutorials, but now that there's interest that may happen sooner than I thought.

Some features that I've added to make the system nice to use:

Syntax highlighting for any language.
Some graphics for use in categorizing tutorials visually.
Latex math support (with an AJAX editor for real-time testing).

Tutorials that are written already:
Visual Studio
Debug Console Output
Forcing a Debug Break
Visual Studio Makefiles - in the works

C++
Pointers and References
Defining Classes

Win32
Screen Capture

NeHe
Tutorial 1 in the works


I have plans on converting NeHe's OpenGL tutorials over to the OpenTutorials project, because I mean, they're great, but they were written years ago and are starting to grow some minor cobwebs.

jverkoey
12-21-2007, 09:01 AM
I've also started a similar project, but geared towards academic courses: Glance (http://99.236.151.246/~jeffverkoeyen/glance/index.php/Main_Page).

It currently only encompasses one of my terms at Waterloo.

Daved
12-21-2007, 12:28 PM
>> So it'll be http://cboardwiki.sf.net/void_main for example

Are you sure you want to be using the cboard name? I don't personally care, but this site is owned by somebody and referencing the name without permission might not be a cool thing to do for an unofficial wiki.

ssharish2005
12-21-2007, 01:58 PM
This looks cool, i can have a link to wiki on my signature :D. Perhaps i could contribute a bit on some of tutorial which i have already written.

ssharish

dwks
12-21-2007, 02:57 PM
>> So it'll be http://cboardwiki.sf.net/void_main for example

Are you sure you want to be using the cboard name? I don't personally care, but this site is owned by somebody and referencing the name without permission might not be a cool thing to do for an unofficial wiki.
"cboard" (especially with no capitalization) is a common enough name (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=cboard&btnG=Google+Search&meta=) that I don't think you'll get in too much trouble for using it.

http://bjk.sourceforge.net/cboard/
http://www.c-board.com/
http://linux.die.net/man/6/cboard

As long as you put something like "The Unofficial CBoard Wiki", it'll probably be okay. But that's just my opinion, and I'm not a lawyer or anything either.

jverkoey, your Wikis look interesting. You should consider moving them to the Wiki, whichever one we end up using. I do think, however, that it would be best for us to use a Wiki on sourceforge or something -- an unaligned site, if you will. ;) My first thought was to create something like cbwiki.theprogrammingsite.com, but then I'd have to administer it. :p

MacGyver
12-21-2007, 03:05 PM
> I could contribute with undefined C code written for DOS
Haha, in other words -- what you normally write :)


#include <stdio.h>
#include <conio.h>
#include <conio.h>
#include <conio.h>
#include <conio.h>
#include <conio.h>

void main(void)
{
char i, msg[] = "Hello world!\n\n\n\n";
fflush(stdin);

for(i=0;i<msg;i++)
{
putch(msg[i]);
}

getch();
fflush(stdin);
}

:D :D :D


>> So it'll be http://cboardwiki.sf.net/void_main for example

Are you sure you want to be using the cboard name? I don't personally care, but this site is owned by somebody and referencing the name without permission might not be a cool thing to do for an unofficial wiki.

Yeah, I was thinking of that. I was actually waiting for a moderator to say something.

jverkoey
12-21-2007, 03:08 PM
jverkoey, your Wikis look interesting. You should consider moving them to the Wiki, whichever one we end up using. I do think, however, that it would be best for us to use a Wiki on sourceforge or something -- an unaligned site, if you will. ;) My first thought was to create something like cbwiki.theprogrammingsite.com, but then I'd have to administer it. :p

*nods* I was looking at the SourceForge hosting options and they don't seem too bad.

I don't think I want to put my Wiki under the cboard name, however, as it's really a separate project. It would likely go under a more unaligned name :p.

Because, really, I'm sure there are hundreds of site-sponsored Wikis, but I really feel like that would hinder growth. Making the site more generic and open to any form of tutorial (not just related to the C family) makes the site open to anyone, and in doing so allows for far more unique tutorials to be written on a variety of programming topics. E.g. I wouldn't feel like a tutorial on using php to poll a Perforce server (http://99.236.151.246/~jeffverkoeyen/72hourgdc/wordpress/) for recent changes on a cboard-style wiki.

But on that note, if this Wiki solely intends to be a FAQ-style wiki for cboard then it wouldn't make sense for it to be generic, by mere definition alone. *shrugs and wanders about, mostly in circles*

zacs7
12-21-2007, 03:54 PM
Damn it that's a good point :(

It's too late now, it's just been approved.

I can submit a request to have the UNIX name changed, however it's manual and it'd only be worth it if the mods thought it was a bad idea. (There is already a project on sf.net called cboard btw).

If you have an sf.net account, tell me your UNIX name so I can add you to the project. I don't like the idea of me being in control :) I also don't have as much 'web experience' as a lot of people on here -- so if someone wants to set up the PHP or whatever wiki thingy go for it ;) After all this is democracy.

dwks
12-21-2007, 04:08 PM
That's why there should have been a discussion first, O hot-headed zacs7. ;)

Can you cancel Soureforge project submissions? What does everyone say about hosting this Wiki on Sourceforge, with a name not aligned with CBoard? Then we could say something like, "project initiated by members of cboard.cprogramming.com".

I guess we'd have to decide whether to restrict the Wiki to C and related languages or not. If not, we might be better off joining an existing project. A cursory Google search doesn't turn up any projects like this.

I suggest we create a programming FAQ/tutorial-type Wiki. Of course, most of the entries would be in C-like languages at first, if we wrote them. But by not making it C* specific, we have the option to allow other languages later on if we wanted.

There might be other Wikis like this out there, but creating a new one is more fun anyway. ;)

Going back to the Sourceforge host idea, what about programmingwiki, or pwiki, or even pw, none of which exist? Any other ideas?

Who would prefer to restrict a Wiki to C/C++, and who would prefer to be more open-ended?

zacs7's new post has changed things. I guess we might as well use cboardwiki for now, we can always change the name later.

Daved
12-21-2007, 04:16 PM
If the wiki were based on contributions from this community, I would prefer a C and C++ only wiki (no C# or managed C++ or C++/CLI either).

You want the content to have depth, not breadth, otherwise it will end up like many other failed attempts at similar things. This site does C and C++ well, so we should concentrate on those things.

zacs7
12-21-2007, 04:18 PM
You did say "go for it" :)

I guess I used a bit of initiative, most of which turned out to be wrong :). The project has already been approved, however the UNIX and project names can be changed -- the UNIX name requires a written request (That's easy, I'll just say I'm a moron ;))

* pwiki isn't taken -- do you want it changed from 'cboardwiki' to avoid any arguments?

But it was my impression it was designed to replace or at least mimic the current FAQ. Hence C++, C and C# (which I don't think is in there anyway).

As for hosting, why not sf.net? It's strongly related to programming. If it's going to stay on sf.net, be sure to post your UNIX username if you want to be involved in my f-up.

dwks
12-21-2007, 04:19 PM
Right, I've created a SourceForge account, and I'd appreciate it if you could add me to the project. I'm dwks, of course.

As I think I already said, I have no idea what's involved in installing a Wiki, "the PHP or whatever wiki thingy". Does anyone? I'm sure I could figure it out, but if, say, jverkoey did it, it would probably be less likely to mess up. :)


* pwiki isn't taken -- do you want it changed from 'cboardwiki' to avoid any arguments?

Either that, or cpwiki, C Programming Wiki. It depends on whether we want it to be restricted to C etc or not.

I'm okay either way.

jverkoey
12-21-2007, 04:27 PM
If the wiki were based on contributions from this community, I would prefer a C and C++ only wiki (no C# or managed C++ or C++/CLI either).

You want the content to have depth, not breadth, otherwise it will end up like many other failed attempts at similar things. This site does C and C++ well, so we should concentrate on those things.

I wholeheartedly agree, and this could be a great course of action to take with the site.

However, at what point does an article based on the C family depart from a C family tutorial? I.e. Starting a Wiki restricted to C and C++ may sound like it would be focused, but would this Wiki be restricted to Hello World-esque tutorials teaching the language? I really believe that such content could be written very well, but there are plenty (http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/) of such tutorials (http://devcentral.iticentral.com/articles/C++/default.php) out there (http://www.codersource.net/codersource_cppprogramming.html); what will our Wiki contribute?

To have a C and C++ specific Wiki be successful you must have depth, as you say, but many topics that would result in said "depth" are really just general purpose concepts anyway (algorithms being the biggest elephant).

zacs7
12-21-2007, 04:53 PM
cpwiki isn't taken, by the way it seems sf.net already gives you a wiki http://cboardwiki.wiki.sourceforge.net/ however I don't think it suits our needs (hence we should install our own :)) *cough* jverkoey *cough*

dwks, I added you to the project as an admin etc etc.

dwks
12-21-2007, 04:58 PM
Thanks.

I'm willing to try installing a separate Wiki directly. The question is, which one? WikiMedia, as ka3 suggested?

And forums too. http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=213163
What's wrong with the built-in one? We could set it up so that cboardwiki.sf.net redirects to there.
We could set the "Space Permissions" on the Wiki to Public so that everyone can edit it. Or leave it as it is so that only members can do so.

zacs7
12-21-2007, 05:02 PM
I'd say have a crack at installing it http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation

You'll have to set a few passwords first (before you can use MySQL etc).

dwks
12-21-2007, 05:06 PM
Alright, sure, I'll try it. If it works I'll PM you the passwords. If not, I'll unset them. Actually, it seems like you can access them yourself.

zacs7
12-21-2007, 05:08 PM
I'd say if it doesn't work, we use the wiki they give us. Although sf.net delete your project if it's not active (it'd look pretty inactive other than the wiki). So I dunno.

dwks
12-21-2007, 05:11 PM
Well, if we use the default Wiki, we wouldn't have to worry about keeping it up-to-date or anything.

But a custom Wiki would look nicer, most likely. I'll see what I can do.

jverkoey
12-21-2007, 05:15 PM
I imagine the default wiki will not have support for LaTeX (I could be wrong!) or syntax highlighting. Arguably two very crucial features for a site based on technical content.

I can install MediaWiki quite easily if I can get added to the SF project.

dwks
12-21-2007, 05:18 PM
Sure, I extracted MediaWiki and uploaded it to /home/groups/c/cb/cboard/htdocs/mediawiki/. That's all. Feel free to delete it or whatever.

Do you have a sourceforge account, then? I (or zacs7) could add you to the project and you could take over. :)

Duh, jverkoey, right? :) I made you an admin. Do your stuff.

zacs7
12-21-2007, 05:21 PM
Don't forget according to the terms and conditions we must display the sf.net logo on the website (it's small and sexy looking).

BTW, I only rushed ahead and did it on sf.net cause 'everyone' said go for it, and I wanted to get the ball moving ;)

I hope the mods don't get angry that it's called 'cboardwiki'. I wish I didn't call it that :( cpwiki is better. Perhaps we should change it in the future? Maybe before it gets used a lot.

Edit: It seems MediaWiki "needs" PHP5, and won't run on PHP4 which is a bit outrageous considering PHP4 is still supported by PHP (at least until the end of this month). We'd have to use Version 1.6.8 until sf.net upgraded (they will when PHP4 is officially dropped). Or select a different wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software#PHP-based

Elysia
12-21-2007, 05:41 PM
Wow. Missed a lot in such a short time.
Whatever languages we choose to get in depth doesn't really matter to me.
What wiki and where it's hosted doesn't really matter either.
So I'll just wait patiently while you sort that out ;)

dwks
12-21-2007, 05:46 PM
Mmm'kay. I suggest we do rename it to cpwiki, just in case. It's shorter anyway. :)

So should we use an older version of MediaWiki and then (possibly) upgrade it, or pick a different wiki?


Wow. Missed a lot in such a short time.
Whatever languages we choose to get in depth doesn't really matter to me.
What wiki and where it's hosted doesn't really matter either.
So I'll just wait patiently while you sort that out ;)
The language doesn't matter, as long as it's C and C++, eh? :)

I like cpwiki.sf.net . . . it sounds good. :p

zacs7
12-21-2007, 05:50 PM
yeah I'll put in a request now then, the name should only change so you can keep working on the wiki :)

The request should be processed by the bot within 48 hours. cboardwiki to cpwiki :)

Elysia
12-21-2007, 06:08 PM
The language doesn't matter, as long as it's C and C++, eh? :)

Of course! Those are necessary.
The whole idea started to write common things that are repeated over and over such as the use of scanf which is C! The board is flooded with void main, scanf and the likes, so C/C++ ide definitely a must! :D