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Citizen Bleys
01-28-2002, 01:30 PM
Let me be brief and to the point. I hate kDevelop. Is there something better out there? I like Micros~1's Visual Studio, don't flame me for that plz.

starX
01-28-2002, 11:48 PM
REAL programmers use a text editor and a command line compiler, to hell with all this IDE crap :)

In all seriousness, I can't say that emacs/compiler or vi/compiler have ever let me down. A lot of times IDEs just suck up memory, take up disk space, and insert code that you don't need.

starX
www.axisoftime.com

mix0matt
01-29-2002, 12:21 AM
i have to agree with starX on this one, but i learned program at university over a 56k connection to the school's unix machine so i never really learned with an IDE. Anyway to answer you question...i hear anjunta is decent. go here http://anjuta.sourceforge.net and check it out...

Citizen Bleys
01-29-2002, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by starX
REAL programmers use a text editor and a command line compiler, to hell with all this IDE crap :)

In all seriousness, I can't say that emacs/compiler or vi/compiler have ever let me down. A lot of times IDEs just suck up memory, take up disk space, and insert code that you don't need.

starX
www.axisoftime.com

Need? Nobody NEEDs an IDE. But it's handy; It's a lot easier to track down simple syntax errors (i.e, forgotten semicolons--and we ALL forget stupid things like that, don't try to tell me otherwise) with syntax hilighting, and in the case of Visual C++--it's self-documenting. I still have to manually do up PACs, IPO charts, and the like, but Visual C++ provides a lot of info that it's simple drudgery to do by hand.

There's a word for people who do more work than they have to out of simple pride: INSANE. It's like using a shovel to clean out your driveway when you own a snowplow. You don' t NEED the snowplow, but wouldn't you rather be back in the house having a coffee in ten minutes, rather than slogging through snow an hour later?

Unregistered
01-29-2002, 02:26 PM
i think he was kidding...geez...oh yeah there's several simple text editors that can handle basic syntax hilighing, and emacs is a world class terminal based tool. It's nothing to write off as INSANE. The vi guys are INSANE :)

starX
01-29-2002, 09:41 PM
You know, I seem to have a real problem with people not reallizing when I'm being hyperbolic. Yes, absolutely I was kidding, and yes, I do make semicolon errros, etc. But gcc tells me when I've made one of those, it's friendly that way (hyperbolic, compilers are neither friendly nor agressive).

If you want (not need) syntax highlighting and parenthesis checking, etc, than emacs in c mode is the answer to your prayers (I think this is hyperbole, unless you've been praying for this sort of thing).

Honestly, the only time I said the word "need" wasn't at all related to whether or not you need an ide, it was to the simple fact that every ide I've worked with so far inserts extraneous code, some of which do so stealthily, so you won't actually see it unless you look at the source file through your favorite text editor. Besides, ides DO take up more memory than your average editor/compiler, and by and large they wind up doing the same things. Yes, the ide can help you in some ways, but it will also hinder you in others.

To sum up, let me just say that cleaning the driveway with a snow shovel is a hell of a lot more satisfying than the snowplow, it uses a lot less gas, and costs less money. To quote Nietzsche, "Only thoughts formed while walking are capable of carrying any weight"

cheers.

starX
www.axisoftime.com

ozgulker
01-30-2002, 12:46 AM
Well, if you are writing code just a couple of pages, yes you may not need an IDE. However when your code becomes dozens of pages and if you are programming in a multi user system, then no simple text editor will save you. Especially C/C++ code becomes bloated very easily, so in order to sort things out you should use an IDE no matter what.

Yes it may be expensive, but I have learnt much of my programming skills (whether functions, making lesser mistakes etc) from IDEs. On the other hand, I lost much of my time by writing in an editor, switching to console, compile, correct, editor and continuing this cycle.

Sunny
01-30-2002, 05:52 AM
Actually, i heard bloodshed just released the Linux version of DevC++. Maybe you should check it out . Supports OpenGl and other stuff too. I liked it, but it had it's own bugs. At least it's fast.
The link is below:

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www.bloodshed.net
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itld
01-31-2002, 11:52 PM
What does Kylix do? (stupid newbie question)

i've been going back and forth between emacs on the linux side and borland builder on the M$ side. now im just a rookie at this stuff but emacs seems easier to me to use,
dig the cool colors.

M.R.;)

clock_ender
02-01-2002, 06:05 AM
Kylix is the linux version of Delphi

Citizen Bleys
02-04-2002, 07:03 PM
Bweh. I was bein' a smartass with the "need" stuff. Gomen nasai.

*refrains from commenting on emacs vs vi*

Deckard
02-05-2002, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by starX
REAL programmers use a text editor and a command line compiler, to hell with all this IDE crap :)
REAL programmers don't even need a text editor:
cat > prog.tgz

;)

itld
02-05-2002, 08:38 AM
i guess that makes me a.....
wanabe unreal programer

klausi
02-13-2002, 11:43 AM
A real programmer always trys work the most effective. That means that a good programmer uses at least a text editor.

klausi