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webmaster
01-16-2002, 06:55 PM
We're currently planning changes to the site, but before we finalize anything, I want to hear the opinions of the members of the community.

How would you like to see the site change?

lightatdawn
01-16-2002, 07:17 PM
I'm afraid this post caused me to do a double take. It has the same title (minus '...') as another one (currently just below it). However the subject matter is just sliiiightly different. ;)

Regarding changes: I rather like the site currently. As Dean pointed out however, the front page could use some work. I cant put my finger on it but as i have the Board Listings page bookmarked, and not the front page. that must be a hint about something. The Boards are basically the drawing point of the site so they should be more involved in the main page. Just a passing thought anyhow.

Betazep
01-16-2002, 07:41 PM
a little bit darker would be better.

Lose the red text.

Use a more structured table setting.

Lose the large text in paragraphs. We are not blind.

Don't put all your links on the first page (have a cool entrance page and make it enticing w/ some functionality, but not so much, so that users continue on into the site where we can beat them and eat em for dinner... oh wait, nevermind that last part).

Verify all links.

Lose some of the ads, but make a supporter's page. This page could show people's username that supported the site monitarily. I know I would pay to have my Avatar and name on the supporters page. (think about it... ) The money that is donated would increase in the list and the supporter giving the most would be on the top. (So I give ten dollars now and ten later, my total would show 20 dollars.) God I am clever. It should start from the present so that everyone is on level ground. I know a lot of people here would donate a little just to be in the list of donators.

Give us some templates to vote on...

The end. Hope I helped a little at least.

webmaster
01-16-2002, 07:46 PM
Betazep, is there a specific link that is broken?

Betazep
01-16-2002, 07:49 PM
If I come across one... I will surely let you know. (I have in the past, but they are corrected it seems... that is why I said 'verify'... but you probably already do that)

What about the supporters page? Do you like the idea? I understand if you do not... but it would get you money, but it might be more work updating figures that it would be worth.

webmaster
01-16-2002, 07:57 PM
It's a good idea. I hadn't thought of a page for donors, although there is a link on the bottom of the forum that allows you to donate to the site. It probably wouldn't take much work to implement.

gamegod3001
01-16-2002, 08:23 PM
I noticed some this on the faq page


Cprogramming.com's C++ made Easy
http://firstpod.tripod.com/cpp21/
http://sunlightd.virtualave.net/Windows/
The everpopular Win32 & DirectX tutorial by Sunlight
http://firstpod.tripod.com/cpp21/

First sunlightd.virtualave.net can be changed to sunlightd.com

Does any one else notice the other mistake :D

DavidP
01-16-2002, 09:08 PM
Tutorials:

Are we allowed to post tutorials, or submit them to you? That would be cool.

Source:

needs updates...its the same source that was on there when I came here 2 years ago....

Books:

Theres quite a lot of new books out...maybe we could write some of the reviews for you :)

thats all that i can think of...

webmaster
01-16-2002, 09:13 PM
More user involvement would be a very good thing for the site.
One proposal I've been considering has been to open an articles section where users can submit articles and tutorials.

Both the books and source pages will be undergoing major renovations regardless of any modifications to the overall template.

I don't want to be too specific about my ideas because I'm more interested in getting new suggestions (and I'm not entirely sure what direction some of the projects I'm involved in are going).

|KAOS|
01-16-2002, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by webmaster
More user involvement would be a very good thing for the site.
One proposal I've been considering has been to open an articles section where users can submit articles and tutorials.

Both the books and source pages will be undergoing major renovations regardless of any modifications to the overall template.

I don't want to be too specific about my ideas because I'm more interested in getting new suggestions (and I'm not entirely sure what direction some of the projects I'm involved in are going).

my hat is off to you sir very nice site...

iain
01-17-2002, 09:02 AM
No flash ..please no flash!!


hey! - you stole that articles section of damnit! :D

iain
01-17-2002, 09:18 AM
oh and the 404- not found page could do with a makeover - its a little cluttered.

Govtcheez
01-17-2002, 09:19 AM
> No flash ..please no flash!!

Ditto that one - as little extraneous crap as possible.

Also, frames suck (yes, I realize my site used them....)

no-one
01-17-2002, 11:56 AM
i was thinking a gallery of wem... no no it would never fly(would it? i could head up the dept.)... i still believe news would be nice though...

incognito
01-17-2002, 02:06 PM
I don't know about other people but I seem to like sites that have dark colors....and some of the text being maybe blue or gree......even though green it's a little bit played out already. I mean the background being kind of dark.....

webmaster
01-17-2002, 03:59 PM
One potential problem with dark backgrounds is that people tend to absorb more information from light backgrounds than from dark backgrounds.

Troll_King
01-17-2002, 04:26 PM
You need to get rid of the default page or else just make it a link and the message board should be the default page. You also need to get a new moderator for the C# board. Someone who will contribute C# code.

webmaster
01-17-2002, 04:36 PM
What default page are you referring to? (If you are referring to the index page, then I can assure you the message board is not going to become the homepage for the site.)

Troll_King
01-17-2002, 04:39 PM
I am referring to www.cprogramming.com

I don't care what you assure. I'm just telling it the way it is. Your website is crap until you make that adjustment.

webmaster
01-17-2002, 04:44 PM
Dean,
what I do not understand is your emphasis of the message boards over the rest of the site: I thought you were retired from these boards.

Once again, it isn't relevant whether you care that I assure you of a fact - I am merely informing you that your opinion in this matter is not going to sway my decision. I am well aware of the disorganisation of the front page, but I am always a great deal more aware than you are of what parts of the site are used by visitors. Regarding value judgements, I can only assume the value of the site rests in what is valuable to the largest percentage of visitors.

Troll_King
01-17-2002, 04:50 PM
When I perform a search on goolge it might provide me with the link www.cprogramming.com, than I might look around and one day about a week later discover the message board.

If you want to depend on statistics than why post this thread? Also if you are aware of the disorganization of the front page than fix the damn thing before you ask people what they think about it.

In regard to my retirement, I am retired. I spend most of my time at www.flashdaddee.com which recently has made front page of PC Magazine.

webmaster
01-17-2002, 04:57 PM
Fixing the organization before asking for suggestions makes it more difficult to incorporate suggestions; asking for suggestions before modifying the design allows a new design to fluidly incorporate new suggestsions. Waiting until after a redesign risks the problems that have already occurred recur when attempting to incorporate suggestions into a new design.

Statistics have nothing to do with new ideas; I am asking for new ideas.

Consider the ramifications of the message board being the front page:

1. The front page likely wouldn't be ranked as high in search engines, so it probably wouldn't get as many users, which seems counterintuitive to the goals of a site.
2. The site suddenly becomes a great deal more focused on a single goal - there are strengths and weaknesses, but judging from the statistics, narrowing the focus is a bad idea.
3. More transient users would show up. For every one or two people finding the board and staying there would be many more who would take advantage of the fact that the forum is there to post spam. By keeping the board from being the single prominent feature of the site it improves the quality of new posters.

Troll_King
01-17-2002, 05:13 PM
Fixing the organization before asking for suggestions makes it more difficult to incorporate suggestions; asking for suggestions before modifying the design allows a new design to fluidly incorporate new suggestsions. Waiting until after a redesign risks the problems that have already occurred recurring immediately after a new design.


You have not updated the default page for years. In theory your comments sound reasonable except the part where you mention problems that have already occurred. Where those the problems that occured in 1998?



1. The front page likely wouldn't be ranked as high in search engines, so it probably wouldn't get as many users, which seems counterintuitive to the goals of a site.


Making the message board the default page would clean up the internet.



2. The site suddenly becomes a great deal more focused on a single goal - there are strengths and weaknesses, but judging from the statistics, narrowing the focus is a bad idea.


That is the way it is now. This website is just a message board. But maybe if new high quality tutorials were added that would change. C was invented in the 1970's but that doesn't mean that C programmers today represent the 'C With Classes' standard in their programs. I would be happy to make some recommendations for new tutorial subjects.

If you are going to keep the index page, at least upgrade it so that I don't feel like I'm visiting a bunch of hippies.

kermi3
01-17-2002, 05:28 PM
I would be happy to make some recommendations for new tutorial subjects.

If I'm not mistaken this thread is named "What would you like to see?" If there are tutorials that you wish to see please say so, I'd certainly be intrested to hear them.

DISGUISED
01-17-2002, 05:36 PM
I don't really have any complaints at all about the site. I think the Home page could use a little bit more organization but the content there is rather good. I think it is key to continue to allow members to contribute to the information there. After all, the members support the success of the site. An algorithm section for commonly used methods would be nice as well. That would help to cut down on the CAQ.

Troll_King
01-17-2002, 05:51 PM
The content needs to be updated. The tutorials should be revised with new content. A C# tutorial should be added. I don't even see any reference to ISO/IEC standard committee.

One of the things that pulls down the website is DOS. This is confusing to beginners who should be using the Win32 Console, and it is an excuse for Colleges to not upgrade their content for the good of the computer industry. Why do we have to look stupid here at cprogramming?

And as far as the tutorials are concerned I'll examine them over the next few months and subimit any revision or suggestions for updating consideration. That is after confering with some of the more experienced programmers such as Salem for example or Zen or Stoned Coder, etc. I'll judge the content but not make comments on it until I read it thoroughly. So you are saying that this sort of participation is allowed?

The one thing that must be done, and there is no excuse, that index page needs to be upgraded / updated / and totally improved. Anything would be better. It would be better to even have an index page that had nothing to do with programming and contained absolutely no links. Even if you did that than there would be more traffic here and more experienced programmers finding this website some other way since they would not be turned off from first glance.

Betazep
01-17-2002, 06:32 PM
Flashdaddee isn't as great as you make it out to be... but it has gotten better. When I first went... there was a scrolling homepage with little structure. It didn't have the makings of any sort of a good website. Links were centered down the middle and it was quite a mess.

Then flashdaddee got a vBulletin board (after cprogramming did I might add). Ooooooh that makes the site worthy of accolades. Money was spent on a prefab technology. It isn't like flashdaddee built the vBulletin. KEN is the major contributor to how brilliant the pages look now (excellent job KEN... I am not trying to belittle your work). The site is still incomplete (no tuts, no source, etc), but has great potential. (The quiz pages could be tabled out better instead of centered BTW)

PC Magazine, huh? Their editors are idiots if such is really the case.

I do not even know why you are being humored by the webmaster. You already have shown your belligerence, your merely moderate ability with computers and programming, and your inability to listen.

Finally... FD doesn't have their forums as the the main page either.... you know why? Because it is a bad idea, and so is you having any input in these matters. Go away...

Troll_King
01-17-2002, 06:37 PM
If you don't believe that www.flashdaddee.com will be in the next edition of PC Magazine than go to the GD board at flashdaddee and look at the thread posted by Gades. He has a picture of the article to be published. Also Adrianxw's name is listed on the screen shot along with others.

The thread is in the Off Topic area and titled 'Press Release: 124 K image"

mix0matt
01-17-2002, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Troll_King

One of the things that pulls down the website is DOS. This is confusing to beginners who should be using the Win32 Console, and it is an excuse for Colleges to not upgrade their content for the good of the computer industry. Why do we have to look stupid here at cprogramming? This is true. i just got of the horn with my department chair, and he said that DOS is not dead because Cprogramming has a DOS programming message board. The future of American academics is placed squarely on the shoulders of Cprogramming....jeesus...

i'm sick of hearing you complain about the lack of C# information posted here. YOU wanted the freaking board, and you should be happy it's even here. As far as i can tell there are only a few people who are really interested in C#. .NET hasn't even been released yet, and it remains to be seen how it's going to take off...nvoight has done some reading on the language and seems informed, and ken seems to like it. if you haven't alienated yourself from those two guys, why don't you start a discussion with them. i don't think you even know enough about the language to ask an intelligent quesiton.
YOU have professed a sick devotion to C#, yet you can't post any code for others to see. YOU don't know enough to convince people that C# is worth their time. oh yeah, that's right...it's too hard for you to post a positive message.

why don't you continue to struggle through your hundreds of dollars of wasted texts and stop depending on someone else to give you source code.

Betazep
01-17-2002, 06:46 PM
Like I said... Idiots. The editor/writer obviously doesn't know about vBulletin and that it is "slickly" implemented all over the damn place now.

Although... that is good press for you guys, but I would hustle on getting the site complete so you are ready for all the hordes. Congrats...

I don't have it in for you.... you are just being a dick.

Troll_King
01-17-2002, 06:52 PM
Hundreds of dollars of texts? Hundreds of dollars of texts did you say! It's more like thousands.

And if you want to see results on the C# board than I'll moderate it, but until that time you can remain unconvinced about .NET but know in the back of your mind that eventually you will have to get up off the couch and learn it.

Actually I know a reasonable amount about C#. I talked to the author Klaus Michelsen and am reading through his book, "C# Primer Plus'.

I just think that you guys are getting ........ed because flashdaddee is taking all the fame.

mix0matt
01-17-2002, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Troll_King
Hundreds of dollars of texts? Hundreds of dollars of texts did you say! It's more like thousands.
FIne thousands of dollars! hah...that's even better...keep reading, bub!

i'm only ........ed because you don't spend all of your time at flashdaddee.

Troll_King
01-17-2002, 07:02 PM
You are only ........ed because because you haven't washed your jeans in a long time.

Betazep
01-17-2002, 07:06 PM
I think you are drunk...

I know I do not care one way or the other whether or not flashdaddee or cprogramming.com are famous or otherwise.

I also know that flashdaddee has a small user base and very little traffic in comparison to cprogramming.com... so it wouldn't be an issue as you say anyway.

One of my websites has been in three small magazines, a major Hawaii publication, and countless online periodicals... all of which generated about 300 hits. Yippeee.

With search engines, I get 200+ hits a day for a small/incomplete art site.

Flashdaddee needs better search engine exposure. Then what you say could be an issue with some... but not with me... it is too trivial for me to care.

Troll_King
01-17-2002, 07:16 PM
When that article hits the stands we expect at least 20,000 hits. LOL.

Actually PC Magazine is the magazine when it comes to computer related information.

DavidP
01-17-2002, 07:19 PM
>When that article hits the stands we expect at least 20,000 hits. LOL.

right.....

im gonna speak my mind now:

trollking, shut up. your an idiot. (either that or your drunk right now....try going to get some sleep)

webmaster
01-17-2002, 07:20 PM
The posts on this thread no longer match the original intention, so I am going to close it.