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GamerProduction
04-15-2007, 04:23 PM
Any ideas about jobs? Exactly, what im trying to say is what do you need to work in a Game company. Let's say blizzard, what do you need to learn to work in blizzard?Or any others company. All i'm learning now is C++.

Thank's.:)

Desolation
04-15-2007, 04:51 PM
http://blizzard.com/jobopp/core-senior-programmer.shtml

ChaosEngine
04-15-2007, 04:59 PM
hey, that's me! I have all those requirement-y things!
I should go work for blizzard. then I could torture world of warcraft geeks.

hmmm wonder if they'd let me work remotely from NZ? :D

Wraithan
04-15-2007, 05:40 PM
Keep in mind most programming jobs want to see a degree and/or a portfolio displaying your knowledge. Companies like Blizzard can pick and choose between MANY programmer who apply so you have to show yourself as above the rest. Higher quality code, that is well documented and has been deployed somewhere and is in use is pretty much a requirement for any midrange+ gaming company.

ChaosEngine
04-15-2007, 11:25 PM
Keep in mind most programming jobs want to see a degree and/or a portfolio displaying your knowledge. Companies like Blizzard can pick and choose between MANY programmer who apply so you have to show yourself as above the rest. Higher quality code, that is well documented and has been deployed somewhere and is in use is pretty much a requirement for any midrange+ gaming company.

yeah, they also want you to be in the same country as the rest of the team too. bastards!
:D

but yeah, if you want to be a game programmer, my advice is to start writing games. Focus on whatever aspect of game development you think you'd be good at. If you're a graphics guy, make a nice showy engine with lots of wizzy effects. If you're a systems guy, write a simple game (e.g. a tetris clone) but make it all modular and scalable (2-player network tetris, anyone?). and if you're a game logic/designer type, you have the hardest challenge of all. Try coming up with a simple yet innovative game.

Do not attempt to make quake 6 or doom 7 or half-life2: episode pi. You will fail miserably (unless you happen to have several million and a large development team lying around, in which case, why are you applying for a job?) and you'll get disheartened.

Whatever you make you should package it with a working executable, some design docs and whatever source and resources you need for it. Finally, your game should build in one click. Employers are not interested in following a set of instructions to build something.

nvoigt
04-15-2007, 11:36 PM
The Blizzard job ad sounded fine. Reasonable requirements and all, but when I saw the last line I wondered if Americans and Europeans are really that different or if Blizzard just has enough power to demand what no one else would dare to ask for.



Please send code samples in text files as well as a cover letter, resume and salary history


They want a salary history ? In Germany, the salary is between me and my employer, most of the time, the contract even contains a clause to not speak about it with anyone else. Concerning etiquette, asking for a salary history is about as accepted as farting in my face in an interview. Are cultures that different or is Blizzard just nuts ?

Cheeze-It
04-15-2007, 11:47 PM
Any ideas about jobs? Exactly, what im trying to say is what do you need to work in a Game company. Let's say blizzard, what do you need to learn to work in blizzard?Or any others company. All i'm learning now is C++.

Thank's.:)

If you go work for Blizzard... buff druids and nerf warlocks. Limey bastards.

whiteflags
04-16-2007, 12:22 AM
It's probably not as bad as you're thinking, nvoigt. Although the way they worded it makes it sound like an odd request, in America, a lot of people will discuss their pay during the interview process, especially if you are a skilled worker. "How much are you expecting to earn?" is a common question (if they don't make an offer first), and one way to answer is to discuss your last job's wages. Most of the time it's an off-hand question so they can offer you a competitive wage, though, and nothing in exhaustive detail.

KONI
04-16-2007, 12:23 AM
If you browse on the european website (http://www.blizzard.co.uk/jobopp/index.shtml#software), you'll notice that they don't ask for salary information.

VirtualAce
04-16-2007, 12:55 AM
Actually asking for pay requirements in the resume and application process is a trick American companies use to get you to undermine your own worth. If you say 25,000 and they were really gonna pay 45,000 - they will probably only pay you 30000 to 35000. Sad to say but it's true. Best thing to say when they ask for salary is commensurate which means you expect to be paid the same amount as someone else with similar skills as you. This is the safe road and does not lock you into a certain number. If the application is online and the text box does not allow letters your best bet is to do some research on the net concerning salaries for the job you are applying for in the region the job is in for an employee at your approximate skill level.

nvoigt
04-16-2007, 01:22 AM
Asking what you expect to be paid is perfectly reasonable here, it's just the history that turned me off. What I earned before that particular job is none of their business, only what I expect from this job is important. Anyway, obviously this is a difference between the US and Europe :)

Cheeze-It
04-16-2007, 09:08 AM
Asking what you expect to be paid is perfectly reasonable here, it's just the history that turned me off. What I earned before that particular job is none of their business, only what I expect from this job is important. Anyway, obviously this is a difference between the US and Europe :)

So you agree with me then. Druids need buffs. Sweet.

cboard_member
04-16-2007, 10:36 AM
So you agree with me then. Druids need buffs. Sweet.

... Are you still in Aussie? I haven't been to ES for a long, long time.

Cheeze-It
04-16-2007, 11:46 AM
... Are you still in Aussie? I haven't been to ES for a long, long time.

I was in New Zealand. I've been back for almost two months now. :)

SilentStrike
04-16-2007, 06:36 PM
I work in the US as a software engineer.

The cultures really are that different. I have a German coworker; he is constantly surprised by the amount of personal information employers gather. For example, before getting a job, my employer checked my credit history.