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Mario F.
12-07-2006, 12:30 PM
Unless you have been distracted for the past couple of months, there is a new world wide initiative to vote the 7 New Wonders of the World. (http://www.new7wonders.com/index.php). 212 days to vote from the day I'm posting this.

Unfortunately, the 7 Wonders of the Ancient World are lost to us. Only the Giza Pyramids survived. Of them the Colossus of Rodes was my favorite. It surely must have been a sight!

The final 21 Wonders have already been chosen from a list of a couple of hundred. This process was made by an international panel after all countries submission. Unfortunately, the Portuguese Torre de Belem (http://manorhouses.com/unesco/whbelem.html) didn't make it past the 77. Still the 21 chosen are quiet amazing sites of world heritage.

Now, it's our turn to chose from the final 7 and make the new list. I already have ;) I'm very happy such an amazing event is being held. June 2007 a world wide TV Show will broadcast to over 130 countries on a show lasting 1 hour and 30 minutes the New 7 Wonders of the World.

Vote!

Govtcheez
12-07-2006, 12:43 PM
The World Trade Center should be all seven so we never forget.

Happy_Reaper
12-07-2006, 12:45 PM
Stonehenge for the win !

Mario F.
12-07-2006, 12:47 PM
Easter Island Statues!

Perspective
12-07-2006, 01:11 PM
That lame ass statue of liberty made it, but the worlds tallest building (www.cntower.ca) didn't? lame.... ChichenItza and Machu Pichu all the way (and the colleseum and acropolis, ... and the neat-o russian building, and the heads, gotta love the heads... and maybe the pyramids again, they could hold some kind of pointless guiness record for being the only two wonders to be part of two different collections of seven, wow, that'd be something)

Govtcheez
12-07-2006, 01:15 PM
I wish you didn't have to register to vote. If I were voting, I'd vote

Great Wall
Eiffel Tower
Taj Mahal
Collosseum
Neuschwanstein
Big Ol Jesus
Hagia Sophia

I'd like to vote for Easter Island or Stonehenge, but since we know pretty much nothing about those, I can't. Why are the pyramids on there? Weren't they on the first list?

edit: The CN Tower's not the tallest building in the world. You cant' just slap a huge antenna on something and call it the tallest building.

DavidP
12-07-2006, 01:17 PM
They should keep the 7 Wonders of the Ancient World in a seperate list and make a new list of the 7 Wonders of the Modern World...instead of just scrapping the old list altogether...unless they arent and i am mixed up :-)

Govtcheez
12-07-2006, 01:22 PM
I'm sure that's what they'll do.

Mario F.
12-07-2006, 01:35 PM
Well... they can only put in the pyramids from the old list. Everything else was destroyed. The Muslims did it! *points his finger accusingly* and the Christians too! Bunch of savages.

Anyways... my votes where

Easter Island!
Machu Pichu!
Taj Mahal
The Great Wall of China (You can after all see it from the moon!)
Pyramids
Angkor
Alhambra (I've been there. Your jaw falls to the ground)

whiteflags
12-07-2006, 01:39 PM
Why are the pyramids on there? Weren't they on the first list?
7050

DavidP
12-07-2006, 01:40 PM
citizen...that was awesome

haha

Govtcheez
12-07-2006, 01:43 PM
The Great Wall of China (You can after all see it from the moon!)
Er, no you can't.

Mario F.
12-07-2006, 01:48 PM
hush. urban myths are to be respect on this forum!

DavidP
12-07-2006, 01:49 PM
get out Google Earth and check!

twomers
12-07-2006, 01:50 PM
I'm surprised the Truman dome isn't there. it's the only other thing that can be seen from space. He had such a hard life!

Mario F.
12-07-2006, 01:58 PM
My only beef is with the sydney opera house. I don't think it belongs there.

DavidP
12-07-2006, 02:07 PM
i dunno about that Eiffel Tower....it's a nice tower and all...nice and tall...great engineering...but it seems a bit too boring to be called a Wonder.

Govtcheez
12-07-2006, 02:08 PM
Yeah, it's a striking piece of architecture, but that's about it.

This stuff is a lot less wondrous now that we know so much about engineering and physics and stuff.

twomers
12-07-2006, 02:11 PM
The question is how do you define a wonder? Is it something that looks nice, or something that impresses you. I went for the latter, so voted by that. In all honesty they are all impressive. Stone henge being the possible exception. Don't get me wrong. It's impressive, not just physically but isn't there something about the positioning of the stones. I just find machu picchu and the rest much more awe inspiring.

DavidP
12-07-2006, 02:18 PM
I find Machu Picchu and the Great Pyramids and the Great Wall much more awe inspiring than the Eiffel Tower.

I define a wonder not only as something that looks cool, but something that obviously took a good amount of genious to be able to construct. The above wonders took a lot of work and genious considering the technology they had available to them.

SlyMaelstrom
12-07-2006, 02:50 PM
Honestly, I think this whole process got dumbed down. This isn't the 7 wonders of the world it's the 7 famous architectural accomplishments that your average joe can recognize.The ancient wonders were wonders because they were oddities. To this day the process of their creations are only speculative. Some of these are easy... they used a crane. The Great Wall can be considered a wonder because it's an amazing accomplishment, as are the Great Pyramids of Egypt. A few others their also fit oddity status, but of course because of bad voting the Statue of Liberty will probably make it as will the Eiffel Tower.

g4j31a5
12-07-2006, 09:21 PM
The final 21 Wonders have already been chosen from a list of a couple of hundred. This process was made by an international panel after all countries submission. Unfortunately, the Portuguese Torre de Belem (http://manorhouses.com/unesco/whbelem.html) didn't make it past the 77. Still the 21 chosen are quiet amazing sites of world heritage.

Vote!

Where's the rest of 'em ? Can I still see the whole list (not only the final 21)?

BTW, I think Grand Canyon is better than the Statue of Liberty. Or Niagara Falls. Or Himalaya. Why didn't they got to the list? Is it because they are natural wonders? Might as well say "7 Unnatural / Man Made Wonders".

Mario F.
12-08-2006, 06:31 AM
The 7 Wonders where always man-made. The first list existed 2000 years ago. During the Middle-Ages the list as we know today was compiled from the Greek lists. Back then, as today, the list is comprised of amazing feats of engineering.

The wonders of the natural world are instead a modern thing.

Nodtveidt
12-08-2006, 08:53 AM
If you were to go by loosely-interpretted definition, you could say that the wonders should be things that you wonder about, or things that are mysterious in nature. Stonehenge would certainly fall under that definition...no one in the modern age knows what it was used for, only a long string of speculation. The WTC should never make such a list, not once, let alone 7 times. I am seriously hoping whoever said that was kidding. :D Plus, some of us would like to FORGET such a thing.

Govtcheez
12-08-2006, 09:36 AM
The WTC should never make such a list, not once, let alone 7 times. I am seriously hoping whoever said that was kidding. :D Plus, some of us would like to FORGET such a thing.Why do you hate America?

indigo0086
12-08-2006, 10:05 AM
The panama canal is probably the only piece of man-made architecture that is a wonder. Plus a ton of people died just building it.

Nodtveidt
12-08-2006, 10:41 AM
Why do you hate America?
I don't. I'm American. I lost my business and several family members thanks to 9/11, so I'd like to forget it.

Mario F.
12-08-2006, 10:42 AM
> The panama canal is probably the only piece of man-made architecture that is a wonder. Plus a ton of people died just building it.

So the Pyramids which were built with ancient technology we don't even know about, or the Great Wall, or Machu Pichu on top of an almost unaccessible mountain, or the heads in Easter Island that had to be moved across the sea in sea rafts so large that weren't invented until the 15th century... those aren't wonders.

But Panama Canal is?

Ok.

Govtcheez
12-08-2006, 10:49 AM
the heads in Easter Island that had to be moved across the sea in sea rafts so large that weren't invented until the 15th century....
Are they sure that's what happened there? I haven't done a lot of research into them, but I was under the impression very very little was known about them.

Mario F.
12-08-2006, 11:02 AM
There's too many theories unfortunately. Or at least that's what I've read about them. Some say the heads came from a quarry inside the island itself, others that they were carved and moved from some island to the west. Dates aren't precise either. I would think the quarry theory makes sense since it would be an amazing achievement to move those things over sea. Perhaps too amazing for the time.

EDIT: On a side note, much speculation exist for how they were moved on land, regardless of their origin. In itself al amazing achievement. The largest of those heads weights 82 Tons!

indigo0086
12-08-2006, 11:14 AM
> The panama canal is probably the only piece of man-made architecture that is a wonder. Plus a ton of people died just building it.

So the Pyramids which were built with ancient technology we don't even know about, or the Great Wall, or Machu Pichu on top of an almost unaccessible mountain, or the heads in Easter Island that had to be moved across the sea in sea rafts so large that weren't invented until the 15th century... those aren't wonders.

But Panama Canal is?

Ok.

I meant modern, architecture. Not to mention that it's aged very well throughout the years. Pyramids are great, they attest to how much you can do with thousands of slaves, all great guys I'm sure. But Since people were speaking of modern wonders, I like the panama canal the best.

Mario F.
12-08-2006, 11:18 AM
Ah gotcha. I would also add the airport in Japan built on top of a man-made island.

On the subject of heads... Seems the "they came from another place" theory is no longer supported. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/easter/

indigo0086
12-08-2006, 11:23 AM
I love the eastern island statues for the epsiode of the new Johnny quest where they found out that aliens with faces like the statues were their influence.

Not to mention that douche that ruined all the mystery. Seriously, can't some things just stay mysterious.

Govtcheez
12-08-2006, 12:24 PM
I meant modern, architecture. Not to mention that it's aged very well throughout the years. Pyramids are great, they attest to how much you can do with thousands of slaves, all great guys I'm sure. But Since people were speaking of modern wonders, I like the panama canal the best.
The people who built the pyramids were paid. If anything it's a testament to capitalism :)

The panama canal is a good example of a wonder too, definitely.

Salem
12-08-2006, 01:28 PM
What a sad collection of testaments to religion, power and folly.

Most are proclaiming "look at how magnificent and powerful I am for getting this constructed" in one way or another. Great for keeping the masses busy during the construction, and keeping them in line afterwards. Jesus on a rock is watching you - gimme a break.

The only lesson here from a lot of those things is build it big, and build it out of stone and it will be around for a good long while. Long after the original builders (and whatever reason they had) have turned to dust, there will be debate (and whacko theories) as to why it was done.

Where are the other impressive feats of construction which actually have some purpose?
Like
Bridges - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashi-Kaikyo_Bridge
Tunnels - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Tunnel
Dams - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_dam

The Panama canal would get my vote.

Mario F.
12-08-2006, 01:35 PM
I doubt any of your suggestion would qualify as a candidate for the 7 Wonders of the World... but hey... we just proved there isn't no pleasing everybody

Mario F.
12-08-2006, 01:55 PM
I think we are confusing the meaning of the 7 Wonders since its inception over 2000 years ago.

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Wonders_of_the_World)


The Seven Wonders were wonders because they were among the most popular tourist destinations; even as early as 1600 BC, tourist graffiti was scrawled on monuments in the Egyptian Valley of the Kings (by which time the Great Sphinx of Giza was already a thousand years old). It is notable that the Seven Wonders sites were all man-made; no natural features were included since they were not popular destinations.

From the New Seven Wonders (http://www.new7wonders.com/index.php?id=8"):


The commonly known Seven Ancient Wonders of the World were all man-made monuments, selected by Philon of Byzantium in 200 B.C. Today, only the Pyramids of Giza in Egypt remain.

His selection of wonders was essentially a travel guide for fellow Athenians, and the stunning sites were all located around the Mediterranean basin, the then-known world.

And this is the Statement (http://www.new7wonders.com/index.php?id=6)

Let's not get so political about it, shall we?

I'm sure those are all impressive man-made structures and great feats of engineering. And many more there are. However, there are specific lists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Wonders_of_the_World#Modern_lists) for them. They simply don't fit into the general idea of the 7 Wonders of the World.